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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/23/2008 10:38:08 AM
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wshepherd
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
If I had any inkling whatsoever that Messianism, as taught where I attend, was wrong, I would make heads spin with the speed of my heading out the door.  I am So Not Interested in just abiding by some theological idea! I am interested only in what the Bible says and what I must do to follow it.
This is my thought as well.
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I eat kosher foods, but that isn't embracing Jewish culture; it is simply following the Word. I observe Sabbath, but that isn't embracing Jewish culture; it is simply following the Word. Sure, I have a mezzuzah on my doors, but that isn't embracing Jewish culture; it is simply following the Word. I observe the fasts (as much as I can physically) and feasts, but that isn't embracing Jewish culture; it is simply following the Word. I read Torah, in order to learn what sin is, but that isn't embracing Jewish culture; it is simply following the Word.
I agree.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/23/2008 12:14:11 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God from post #49
I seem to remember him saying something fairly harsh towards those that wanted to sacrifice animals again. I might be able to find it. I'll look for it after awhile unless RC knows. He usually knows his Bible.
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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God from post #whateveritwas! 
I couldn't find the verse I was thinking about specifically, but Hebrews 9 and 10 seem pretty clear that Christ was the final sacrifice for sin and that animal sacrifices are no longer needed, and that they never could take away our sins anyway.
I have a few minutes before I am heading back to the shul, so I thought I would stop by and ask what parts of hebrews 9 & 10 I (and other Messianics) appear to have trouble with. I am not sure. I read it through and have no disagreement with it, and I think I have explained my understanding with regard to what sacrifices continued after Messiah's giving His life for sin. I am just not sure where to start to answer! HELP!!
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Also, please remember that I do not and cannot write for all Messianics. I really appreciate the others who have written. And you have all noticed, I am sure, that we all do not agree on all things, just as various churches do not agree.  Further, let me add that i certainly don't know everything about either Messianism or the Bible. Wow, am I still learning.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/25/2008 7:00:45 AM
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Hebrews 9-10. Our Rabbi once called that section the "dirty little chapter that Messianics don't want to look at."
He has a great teaching from that passage. I don't know if it is in print form or not. He states plainly that the Mosaic covenant is either no longer in effect or in the process (still) of becoming so. He further seperates the covenant (the agreement itself) from the provisions (requirements, benefits) of that covenant, and while the agreement was broken by disobedience on Israel's part, many of the requirements and benefits carried over into the New Covenant for ethnic Jews and (to a lesser degree) those gentiles that have what we refer to as a "Ruth calling" and have become part of the greater Jewish community.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/25/2008 10:38:35 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I am glad you mentioned those things, Dave. I have never studied 9 & 10, nor have I heard them taught, but I have looked into them a little. I simply have no problem with them, but I have "talked" about them before in CW and raised some ire in one who strongly disagreed with me. This is what I read, without studying the Greek* again at this moment:
Chapter 7: the Melchizedek priesthood and its applications to Messiah
Chapter 8: Messiah's priesthood
Chapter 9: A comparrison of the old and the new priesthoods
Chapter 10: The sufficiency of Messiah's personal sacrifice, the benefits, and the result of rejection
Chapter 11: The benefits of faith
What am I supposed to be missing?
* My Greek is beyond rusty: it is basically gone, having not kept it up since I ended those classes in @ 1983. When I try to study Scripture using Greek, I must surround myself with all kinds of helps. I just don't have time right now.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/25/2008 12:27:13 PM
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I think the true messages have always been clear enough in English.
We just distort the message to bend to our thinking many times.
I've understood the Melchizedek Order vs. the Levitical Order since
I was a teenager. Yet, I understand it much more fully now in the last
year or two.
I grant there are many things we miss because there is more in the
languages themselves, be it Greek or Hebrew. But for most of us
hill-billies, there is so much we don't get in our own languages.
I'm always commenting that it would do me good to enroll into another
language course of English. Like you said, even this atrophies without use. lol.
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