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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/17/2008 6:28:10 PM
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Just to add 2 cents... the law (lower case law) she's refering to is the Oral law i.e Mishna or Talmud. Jesus refutes it alot. See Mark 7, for an example.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/17/2008 7:06:33 PM
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Do they believe in the Trinity?
Here, the statement of Faith of International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues :
WE BELIEVE:
That the BIBLE, consisting of the Tenach (Holy Scriptures) and the later writings commonly known as the B'rit Hadasha (New Covenant), is the only infallible and authoritative word of God. We recognize its divine inspiration, and accept its teachings as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice (Deut. 6:4-9; Prov. 3:1-6; Ps. 119:89, 105; Isa. 48:12-16; Rom. 8:14-17; II Tim. 2:15, 3:16-17).
GOD - We believe that the Shema, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deut. 6:4), teaches that God is Echad, as so declared: a united one, a composite unity, eternally existent in plural oneness [Gen. 1:1 (Elohim: God); Gen. 1:26 "Let us make man in our image"; Gen. 2:24 Adam & Eve were created to be as one flesh (basar echad)], that He is a personal God who created us ( Gen. 1 & 2), and that He exists forever in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as mentioned in Romans 8:14-17 (Father, Spirit, and Messiah - Son) and Matt. 28:18-20 (immersing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
GOD THE FATHER (Abba) - John 6:27b; I Cor 1:3; Gal. 1:1; Rev. 3:5, 21; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:9; Mal. 1:6; Matt. 6:9, 32; Luke 10:21-22; John 1:14; 4:23; 5:17-26; 6:28-46; Rom. 8:14-15.
GOD THE SON (HaBen)
God does have a Son [Ps. 2; Prov. 30:4-6 (cf. Heb. 1); Luke 12:35-37; John 1:29-34, 49; 3:14-18].
The Son, called Yeshua (Jesus), meaning salvation, came to this world born of a virgin [Isa. 7:14 (cf. Luke 1:30-35)].
The Son is God (Deity), and is worshipped as God, having existed eternally [Ps. 110:1 (cf. Heb. 1:13); Isa. 9:6-7; Matt. 28:18-20; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:15-19; Rev. 3:21 (Heb. 1 - worshipped by angels); Rev. 4:8, 5:5-14].
This One is the promised Mashiach (Messiah) of Israel [ Is. 9:6-7; 11:1; Dan. 9 (esp. verses 20-26); Isa. 53; John 1:17, 40-41, 45, 49; Mark 8:29].
He is the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star (Num. 24:17; Rev. 22:16).
He is our Passover, the Lamb of God ( I Cor. 5:7; Rev. 5; John 1:29).
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT (Ruach HaKodesh)
Introduced in Gen. 1:2b.
In the Tenach, the Spirit of God came upon individuals during the times of our forefathers, like Moses, David (see II Sam. 23:1-3), and the Prophets, for the specific purposes.
In the New Covenant, the Messiah, Yeshua, promised His disciples that "the Comforter" would come to them after He was gone, described as the Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, 26), who was with them and would be in them. Yeshua further declared that the Spirit of Truth, would guide us into all truth and would glorify Him - the Messiah - not Himself (John 16:13-15). He empowers us (Acts 1:8). He seals us [Eph. 1:13; 4:30 (see NIV and Jewish New Testatment versions)]. If we have not the Spirit, we are not His (Rom. 8:9). He leads us and teaches us (Rom. 8:14-17). His indwelling enables us to live a godly life. Acts 2:38 says, "Repent, be immersed, and receive the Holy Spirit."
MAN
Created in the image of God (Gen. 1:26-27), but:
through disobedience, man fell from his first state and became separated from God (Gen. 2:17; 3:22-24). Therefore, according to the Scriptures, all men are born with a sinful nature (Ps. 14:1-3; 49:7; 53:13; Isa. 64:6; Rom. 3:9-12, 23; 5:12).
Man's only hope for redemption (salvation) is through the atonement made by the Messiah (Lev. 17:11; Isa. 53; Dan. 9:24-26; I Cor. 15:22; Heb. 9:11-14, 28; John 1:12, 3:36), resulting in regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Tit. 3:5), which is the new birth (John 3:3-8). For by grace we are saved through faith, it is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9).
RESURRECTION AND JUDGMENT
We believe in the resurrection of both the redeemed and the lost: the former to everlasting life and the latter to eternal separation from God, a state of everlasting punishment (Job 14:14; 19:25-27; Dan. 12:2-3; John 3:36; 11:25-26; Rev. 20:5-6, 10-15; 21:7-8).
THE MESSIAH - The Redeemer.
The Scriptures promised two "comings" of the Messiah:
First coming
Promised in Dan. 9:24-26.
Its purpose was to make an atonement for sin (Dan. 9:24-26; Isa. 53; Rom. 3:21-31; Heb. 9-10; John 3:16-17).
Second coming
Promised coming in the air to receive the believers to Himself (I Thess. 4:13-18; John 14:1-6; I Cor. 15:51-57).
Messiah's return to the earth.
The Redeemer shall come to Zion (Isa. 59:20-21; Zech. 14:4).
Israel's spiritual redemption (Zech. 12:8-13:1; Rom. 11:25-27; Heb. 9:28; Jer. 31:31-40; the New Covenant).
Israel's national restoration is to recover the remnant of His people Israel from the four corners of the earth, and restore the Davidic Kingdom (Isa. 11 - to re-establish the throne and kingdom of David, which will last forever) [Isa. 9:6-7 (cf. Luke 1:30-33); Jer. 23:3-8].
ISRAEL IN PROPHECY
We believe in God's end-time plan for the nation of Israel and for the world. A central part of Messianic Judaism is the belief in the physical and spiritual restoration of Israel, as taught in the Scriptures. The greatest miracle of our day has been the re-establishment or rebirth of the State of Israel according to prophecy (Ezek. 34:11-31; 36-39; Hos. 3; Amos 9:11-15; Zech. 12-14; Isa. 11; 43; 54; 60-62; 66; Rom. 11:1-34) (see also Scriptures under V. THE MESSIAH).
MESSIANIC JUDAISM
We recognize that Jewish people (physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, whether through the mother's or the father's blood-line) who place their faith in Israel's Messiah, Yeshua, continue to be Jewish according to the Scriptures (Rom. 2:28-29). Gentiles who place their faith in Yeshua, are "grafted into" the Jewish olive tree of faith (Rom. 11:17-25) becoming spiritual sons and daughters of Abraham (Gal. 3:28-29).
We observe and celebrate the Jewish Holy Days given by God to Israel, with their fulfillment in and through the Messiah Yeshua. We believe that true "Biblical Judaism," the faith of first century believers, which we seek to practice, acknowledges the continuity of faith in the one true God, revealed throughout the Scriptures, and ultimately manifested in God's Son, Yeshua the Messiah. We believe that salvation has always been "by faith," and that works of law, or righteous acts, have never saved anyone (Gen. 15:6; Rom. 2-6; Eph. 2:8-9; Heb. 11:6, 39).
We acknowledge that the New Covenant body of believers is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who have received Yeshua the Messiah as the Promised Redeemer. The "middle wall of partition" has been broken down and now we worship the God of Israel together (I Cor. 12:13; Eph. 2:13-14).
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/17/2008 7:15:47 PM
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Most deny what they term “replacement” theology
And they are right ! Because this theology is not in The Bible.
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So, if you are a Messianic and a gentile, what’s up with that? Why not just go to church with your fellow believers who are not Jewish?
But many Gentiles and Jews worship together Their Lord, The God of Israel.
One Jew stay Jewish when he accepts Jesus Christ like His Messiah, His Savior, His God.
And when One Gentile accepts Jesus Christ, he become Jewish in his heart because His King Yeshua (Jésus) Is Jewish. We are One, Jews and Gentiles in Yeshua Our Messiah, Our King, Our Savior, Our God.
Praise to Him Forever.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/17/2008 9:03:32 PM
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Messiah was the Passover Lamb in His representation. There were many other sacrifices, many of which were not lambs. All sacrifices were "pictures," use by G-d to teach His followers. The people did the sacrifices, looking forward, because the sacrifices represented what they should think and see.
I am very familar with the OT Scriptures and certainly the sacrifices and the fact that different animals, birds etc were used and even different numbers and all that. I am not just a NT Christian....like so many are.
I do not think it correct to say that God is Jewish....even though Jesus was born a Jew.....it was God Himself who created Jews...and created that nation...but it is really the heart that God wants circumcized.
Although some on these boards disagree, the Law is basically divided into the ceremonial (all having to do with the Temple) and civil ... as per what we would call civil today, and then the moral law...the main feature being the Ten Commandments. Some people on the threads have said that the Law is all one and now Romans 14 is all we need to guide us....which makes me crazy, but anyway.............
It was the ceremonial/civil law that Jesus did away with....which would include the sacrifices.....God is still as Holy as He ever was, and nothing has changed with regards to the 10 Commandments and the moral code or law...but of course we cannot keep this law because if we break one, we break them all.
I attended a Messianic congregation for a few years....so I am familar with some of what goes on.........but I did not care for the attitude of some of the Jewish people who thought they were 'better' than a Gentile believer. This was not the majority of the people, however, and not something I was particurly bothered with other than they thought that their salvation was somehow better than mine. 
I do not believe there are any longer any outer acoutremonts to being a Believer......even Abraham's faith was accounted to him for his salvation and not any sacrifice.
Anyway, I'm just saying what I believe and have come to believe.....from Scripture, from studying, and other Christians including Jewish Believers.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 1:37:55 AM
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I do not think it correct to say that God is Jewish....even though Jesus was born a Jew.....it was God Himself who created Jews...and created that nation...but it is really the heart that God wants circumcized. In this, I must differ with you, Solar. I believe that Messiah is G-d, born of a Jewish female, who lived as a Jew, died and arose as a Jew, who will return as a Jew. Why would He change that, especially when Revelation clearly states that He will be wearing tzitzit when he returns. That name written upon his thigh is neither a tattoo nor a ribbon that some drawings try to make it out to be.
I am not going to get into the division of the Torah that you bring up because I see that as irrelevant. But i will broach the following:
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It was the ceremonial/civil law that Jesus did away with....which would include the sacrifices.... Can you help me out by giving Scripture?
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I did not care for the attitude of some of the Jewish people who thought they were 'better' than a Gentile believer.
I am so sorry you were ever subjected to this at all. That is very unfortunate.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 9:18:16 AM
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Hey there Covaan...I'll get back to you some time today 
I'm in Fl and we are getting that visit from Fay...altho by the time it hits us, it should be mostly just a tropical storm. But anyhow, I will discuss some more! Thanks!
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I am so sorry you were ever subjected to this at all. That is very unfortunate.
I was not really bothered too much by this......most people were really nice and, unlike alot of Christians, really into studying and discussing...which I really like and miss!
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 9:34:47 AM
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I do not think it correct to say that God is Jewish
Firstly, it's necessary to explain what means "Jewish".
"Jewish" means "Those of Judah" and "Judah" means "Worship God"
So, Jesus Is Born Jewish, He Is The Lion of Tribe of Judah=Worship God.
Through Jesus Christ, God was revealed Himself like a Jewish Man.
Jesus said :
"John 4:22
for salvation is of the Jews."
And it's interesting to know that "Salvation" in Hebrew is "Yeshua" (Jésus)
and we can read "for 'Yeshua' is of the Jews"
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 9:35:25 AM
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Oh, wow! Fay, stay away!
Please get back to my question at your convenience. I am going to be gone for a few days, so I won't see it until I get back.
Bless you! You are, as of now, in my prayers as you fight Fay.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 9:37:43 AM
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I couldn't find the verse I was thinking about specifically, but Hebrews 9 and 10 seem pretty clear that Christ was the final sacrifice for sin and that animal sacrifices are no longer needed, and that they never could take away our sins anyway.
I'm also pretty sure that one of the reasons the Christians were persecuted was because they were, according to the religious leaders, speaking against the temple and the laws of Moses. They broke away from their traditions. I would imagine that not sacrificing animals probably caused the religous leaders to be very suspicious of their group.
As for the Nazerite vow, could it have been a grain offering or another kind of offering? It doesn't say they sacrficed animals.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 1:33:57 PM
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Didn't Paul have an ongoing fuss with Jewish believers who were attempting to make Gentile converts follow the Jewish customs?
I think circumcision was on the list.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 3:59:29 PM
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Funny thing is, He'll be saying it again.
Revelation 16:17
"It is done."
The first time it was the "finish" of the shadow
of the Spring Feast better known as Passover.
{Ezek. 39:8 --- "Behold, it is come, and it is done,
saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken."}
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 4:09:42 PM
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Whew, Blue! You hit hard! 
I know that there are many things I believe in, things I do, things I study that you would not approve of or that you might even find appalling, so this thread just may be the the cooker for me! I do hope I lose no friends over this!
As a Messianic, bluntly, I have no problem with the guy who had himself circumcised. I just didn't feel like saying so. There is obedience for the sake of just doing what one thinks is right, and there is obedience for the sake of gaining something. There is no biblical precedent that says he should not have been circumcised, but there are biblical precedents which are clear that being circumcised will save no one and will not guarantee a higher place in the kingdom!
Regarding denying G-d the Father, G-d the Son, and G-d the H Spirit, that is a very serious issue. I will not, I cannot deny the Father, the Messiah, nor the H Spirit, but for me to claim I understand them would be a bald-faced lie. None of the explanations i have ever been given by anyone have ever worked. Not the egg, not the water, none of these common things can make me see them any more clearly: they are above and beyone our pitiful little explanations.
As far as replacement theology, I completely deny it. Christians have never and will never replace Jews. Christians have been grafted into the Vine and a real part of the Vine, but they have not replaced Jews. G-d has called out, and is still calling out, a people from the Jews who have and will take their place in that vine. He has not turned His back on the Jews. As they come to Messiah, as they call out "What are these wounds in Your hands?" and they understand that He received those wounds in the house of His friends, they will know and turn to Him. Further, if you will note in my signature, every one of us were adopted -- Jews and Gentiles: G-d has only ONE natural-born Son.
As far as believing Jews leading Gentiles to worship, the Bible clearly states that the time is coming when Gentiles will take hold of their tzitzit and ask to be led to worship. The gifts and callings of G-d are without repentance, and this is what G-d long ago called the Jews to do, but some have rejected that call. This started way back, around 70 c.e., and it has not stopped yet for most, but it will stop.
Regarding Gentiles trying to appear what they are not, I see that at times, but not often. What Christians see, and call "Gentiles trying to be Jews," is Gentiles with the desire to be obedient. There is a huge difference, but sometimes, we have to ask in order to know which is which.
Again, I know nothing about Lew White. I only heard of him in the last few hours. I have not read what he has written.
Why can I not go to church and fall in line with my family who are Sunday-attending Christians? Because I have not yet seen where G-d changed the day of worship to Sunday. Because I have not seen where G-d said, "Okay, everybody, out of the pool! No more Sukkot, no more Chanukkah, no more Pesach! It's Christmas and Easter from now on! Now, go out and buy tinsel and bunnies!" What I have read is Messiah continuing practicing Torah. I have read about the disciples continuing doing Torah. I have read that both Messiah and the disciples continued to observe the Sabbath and the other holy days. Messiah said for us to follow Him, so I want to follow Him. The question is not "What Would Jesus Do"; it is What Did He Do?
But the bottom line is that I love my family who are in Messiah. This is the way I live my life. I am not going to sit about condemning you because you don't do things as I do them. I am free to worship according to what I understand; so are you, if you truly know Him and are worshiping Him. Does He love me more? I think NOT!
I really liked this post.
concise, direct, and full of love.
So, here's a cyber kiss on the left cheek, and now the right cheek.
hmmmmm. Or is it supposed to be the right cheek and then the left cheek?
Anyway. Love ya' my brothers and sisters.
Now, I'll go back and read the rest of this thread.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 4:48:00 PM
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well, it only took me 45 minutes. lol.
Covaan, I've always enjoyed your posts in all the other
threads where we have crossed. But I have to tell you lady,
I am overwhelmed by your knowledge and understanding.
Good for you.
You can come teach here anytime. lol.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 6:58:34 PM
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Didn't Paul have an ongoing fuss with Jewish believers who were attempting to make Gentile converts follow the Jewish customs?
I think circumcision was on the list.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/18/2008 11:13:19 PM
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p31woman, your posts also are entirely devoid of condemnation or superiority.
Curious to know what church you grew up in?
I pray so, landabee. G-d knows my attitude ain't always what it's s'posed to be. Anyways, I grew up in Worldwide Church of G-d-- just Google "cult" and you'll find it.  But seriously, I do cherish having grown up with the feasts, Sabbath, etc., even if I had to un-learn some wacky teachings.
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Why not just go to church with your fellow believers who are not Jewish?
Going back to the OP, for me it's exciting to worship with Jewish believers-- to experience the realization of G-d's original intent finally coming to pass in a way that it hasn't since the 1st century: Jews and Gentiles worshiping together as that "one new man" (Eph. 2).
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 2:08:01 AM
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Going back to the OP, for me it's exciting to worship with Jewish believers-- to experience the realization of G-d's original intent finally coming to pass in a way that it hasn't since the 1st century: Jews and Gentiles worshiping together as that "one new man" (Eph. 2).[/font]
It's exciting too, to be in Israel and to see Jews and Arabs worshipping together in some congregations.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 9:24:13 AM
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Didn't Paul have an ongoing fuss with Jewish believers who were attempting to make Gentile converts follow the Jewish customs?
That is the way that I read it.
And I think that if Paul was around today he would still warn against it.
Thanks
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 1:10:28 PM
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Didn't Paul have an ongoing fuss with Jewish believers who were attempting to make Gentile converts follow the Jewish customs?
That is the way that I read it.
And I think that if Paul was around today he would still warn against it.
Thanks
RC
I agree Paul would have to make whirlwind tour of the churches,
but I'm afraid we'd all be in for some spankings ourselves.
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I grew up in Worldwide Church of G-d-- just Google "cult" and you'll find it. But seriously, I do cherish having grown up with the feasts, Sabbath, etc., even if I had to un-learn some wacky teachings.
Well, Praise God; and good for you for discerning WWCG.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 1:22:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
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ORIGINAL: bluestone
Didn't Paul have an ongoing fuss with Jewish believers who were attempting to make Gentile converts follow the Jewish customs?
That is the way that I read it.
And I think that if Paul was around today he would still warn against it.
Thanks
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I agree Paul would have to make whirlwind tour of the churches,
but I'm afraid we'd all be in for some spankings ourselves.
I agree that most of us would be in for a spanking, but since this thread is about gentiles trying to keep Jewish customs to prove or suppliment their Christianity; I am only referring to that.
Thanks
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 2:51:13 PM
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wshepherd
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
but since this thread is about gentiles trying to keep Jewish customs to prove or suppliment their Christianity; I am only referring to that.
Thanks
RC
I think there is misunderstanding here. Messianics do not "keep Jewish customs to prove or suppliment [sp] their Christianity," as you put it.
We keep Torah (the Law) because that is how Jesus lived, and when Scripture tells us that we are to be like Him, it is something we take seriously.
And please don't say that we are trying to earn our salvation. Keeping Torah has absolutely NOTHING to do with SALVATION. It has EVERYTHING to do with SANCTIFICATION.
Discipleship today is a lot different than what it was in the days when the Master walked the earth. The Messianics I know, myself included, are trying to get back to a biblical model of discipleship.
Jesus is Jewish. Many Christians seem to have a problem with that. He lived His life according to the Torah that God gave the Jewish people. So for Messianics to live as He lived will mean that our lifestyle will look decidedly Jewish, because Jews are the ones who keep the Torah.
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RE: Gentile Messianics: What's going on? - 8/19/2008 3:08:09 PM
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rcjames
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Discipleship today is a lot different than what it was in the days when the Master walked the earth. The Messianics I know, myself included, are trying to get back to a biblical model of discipleship.
If that is your goal, then I would encourage you to read the Pauline Epistles and the Book of acts where the Jews were told not to try and Judaize the gentiles; that it was not necessary for gentiles to be Christians.
Do you require gentiles to be circumcised to be a Chrstian?
Do you think to be Christian that a gentile must keep the Jewush feasts?
Do you think to be Christian that a gentile must use a prayer shawl?
Etc. Etc.
Just wondering what hoops that you think a gentile Christi | | |
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