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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/15/2008 8:33:53 PM
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saved9201
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Why are there so many more responses to this thread, than to the "Reasons to vote for John McCain" thread?
In fact, why are googobs more B. Hussein O. threads than McCain threads?
People seem to like talking about him, it seems, whether it be positive or negative.
Then complain B. Hussein O. get's too much press.
Just a thought.
- Julius
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/15/2008 8:53:39 PM
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There's an enthusiasm gap, as I said. Given that, it is a bit disingenuous to complain of excess coverage of the opposing candidate, but I guess you do what it takes to win. The election is a referendum on Obama. McCain seems, I think, to be barely there.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 12:18:47 AM
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1. He is not old school DC
2. He was against the Iraq war from the get go - which to me, shows me that he indeed, has great knowlege of internationl affairs
3. He has not received any PAC money
4. He reaches across the aisle and is willing to work with the Republicans to get things done
5. He seems to genuinely care about the underpriveledged: wanting to end income taxes for those seniors making $50,000 or less, for example
6. I really like his idea for providing healthcare to all: it seems very feasible - having the government pick up ONLY when the private sector cannot. It's much more practical than, say, Nader's complete reversal of what we have now
7. He has a great environmental record
8. He is a great communicator
9. He has been married to his wife for a long time, and is very devoted to his family - which to me shows he has strong morals
BTW, kudos to you, SwedishCovenant, for posting such a great idea for both McCain and Obama
Peace and God bless,
< Message edited by Lizahana -- 8/17/2008 12:40:24 AM >
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 1:29:12 AM
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Sorry, but I had to address at least SOME of he glaring errors presented as "good" things in this thread:
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1. Obama would NOT continue the Bush legacy.
You mean the legacy of appointing good judges, cutting taxes, opposing the murder of babies, and helping liberate the oppressed? Yeah, I really hope we move away from that...
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2. Willingness and ability to work across party line to get things done.
BHO does NOT work across party lines... he is the MOST liberal Senator in the Senate. In addition, "working across the aisle" is not a good thing since it usually means sullying a pure conservative agenda with some stupid liberal garbage. Notice how Democrats don't "reach across the aisle", Republicans do, always compromising and watering down and pandering to the liberals.
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3. Not a career politician and less likely to be bought by lobbyists.
Obama is OWNED not only by groups like ACORN, but also (just like almost every Dem) in the pocket of the gay agenda and the abortion industry... and let us not forget Mr. Obama's involvement with the shady real estate dealer... yeah, Obama is bought just as easily as most politicians.
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4. Would do a better job of restoring America's global reputation.
I wish people would stop buying into this liberal mainstream media message. America DOES NOT HAVE A BAD GLOBAL REPUTATION! Look around the world and you find more and more nations electing CONSERVATIVE leaders... Germany, France, UK, and many more countries electing PRO-AMERICAN leaders. Anywhere outside of the stupid liberal media we are still a beacon of light in a dark world. Stop swallowing the lie that we have a bad global reputation: it is simply false.
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5. Would end our involvement in Iraq and hold the Iraqis responsible for finding a political solution to their centuries old desputes.
You mean like the Bush plan to move the Iraqis into a position that will allow them to lead their own country, the plan that has been working wonderfully since the success of the Surge?
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6. Would put more troops in Afghanistan and go after Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists.
You mean like the Bush plan that already has troops in Afghanistan searching for Bin Laden? Bush has laid the smack down on worldwide terrorism, and Obama has given a speech that we are wasting our translators in Iraq when we should use them in Afghanistan, an area of the world that speaks an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE that our Iraqi translators would not be able to translate...
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7. Would create tax policies that benefit the 90% of families earning less than $250,000 a year.
Ummm... Obama has proposed what, a trillion or more in new spending? And that wlll come from where? Oh, yeah. Higher taxes on EVERYBODY since raising taxes on the "rich" who already pay an exorbitantly higher amount of taxes than the "poor" will only get passed on to the "poor". This is economics 101 . And if by this you mean his "brilliant" idea of thieving money from hard working oil companies who already contribute an enormous amount of taxes and giving it to people who didn't earn it... then yeah, I guess this statement is true.
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8. Would do more to unite the country as Americans rather than divide it into red and blue states.
"Unity" is a utopian pipe-dream that will never happen and SHOULDN'T ever happen in the kind of representative government we operate under. This unified utopia idea comes straight from the socialist and Marxist playbooks. It isn't realistic, and isn't even healthy.
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9. Would respect the balance of power outlined in the constitution and protect our bill of rights rather than see the presidency as "above the law".
As ANY president of the US does and should.
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10. His youth will allow him to run for a second term.
While this is true, Obama would get CRUSHED in a second term run after he runs the country into the ground for 4 years.
I know what the OP asked, and I am pointing out that the items listed above are NOT a good answer to that OP because they are NOT good reasons to vote for Obama.
Jack nailed pretty much everything Obama has going for him. None of his actual policies are good reasons to vote for him if you value your country.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 4:15:21 PM
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ManimalX
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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Why are there so many more responses to this thread, than to the "Reasons to vote for John McCain" thread?
In fact, why are googobs more B. Hussein O. threads than McCain threads?
People seem to like talking about him, it seems, whether it be positive or negative.
Then complain B. Hussein O. get's too much press.
Just a thought.
- Julius
Because this election is a referendum on B.H. Obama. In other words: this election is not about who likes McCain vs who likes Obama but rather an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama. Unfortunately the person who is most likely to defeat him is John McCain because of the two-party system we currently have.... which means all of those "conscience votes" for good guys like Alan Keyes or whichever third party are actually votes FOR Obama. Obama SHOULD get CLOBBERED by McCain, but I have a sneaking feeling that well intentioned but foolish Christians will not be responsible with their vote and end up getting Obama elected anyway.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 4:34:36 PM
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Because this election is a referendum on B.H. Obama. In other words: this election is not about who likes McCain vs who likes Obama but rather an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama.
Dude, lay off the grape-juice. George W. Bush is NOT going to run again. You may be surprised to learn that neither George Bush nor John McCain's name is in the bible as one of God's chosen.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 5:53:08 PM
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saved9201
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...an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama.
Just when I thought I'd heard it all..."The Wicked Obama". That's classic.
- Julius
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 7:27:54 PM
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ManimalX
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Because this election is a referendum on B.H. Obama. In other words: this election is not about who likes McCain vs who likes Obama but rather an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama.
Dude, lay off the grape-juice. George W. Bush is NOT going to run again. You may be surprised to learn that neither George Bush nor John McCain's name is in the bible as one of God's chosen.
May I be the first to utter a perplexed "huh?" I fail to follow your logic here. I plainly point out the obvious fact that this election is about either supporting Obama or opposing Obama and I am a W disciple? How does that logic work, if you don't mind my asking? I merely pointed out that several of the points made regarding why Obama would be a good President are already being done by the current administration and are nothing new or different on Obama's part. I merely find it amusing that Obama supporters are so enthralled about some of Obama's ideas, yet they are the same things already being done by the evil W.
I would also appreciate it if you would not put words into my posts that aren't there. Did I mention George Bush or McCain were "in the bible as God's chosen?" The answer is no. I don't particularly care for McCain, but he is leagues beyond Obama when it comes to whom has the character and skill to be President.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 9:58:41 PM
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saved9201
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And he is not wicked.... why? The man is a bitterly deceitful liar and a divisive accuser who claims Jesus with his lips but then denies Him by his deeds, promoting the very wickedness his position of authority was divinely established to fight.
So again, Obama is not wicked... why?
He man, I don't care. You want him to be wicked, you got it. In fact if you want, add evil, mean and nasty to it. But this is a Reasons to vote for Obama thread, and while nobody can stop people who think he's "the wicked Obama" from posting, I would suggest you start your own thread:
Reasons NOT to vote for the "The Wicked Obama." From now on, I think I'll call him "T.W.O" for short.
- Julius
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 10:08:35 PM
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Liz, just one question from your post #78, point #4. You say Obama "reaches across the aisle..." Your post was good, but this point is a bit of a stretch I think. Do you have any examples of Obama reaching across the aisle or working with Republicans?
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 10:35:14 PM
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Because this election is a referendum on B.H. Obama. In other words: this election is not about who likes McCain vs who likes Obama but rather an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama. Unfortunately the person who is most likely to defeat him is John McCain because of the two-party system we currently have.... which means all of those "conscience votes" for good guys like Alan Keyes or whichever third party are actually votes FOR Obama. Obama SHOULD get CLOBBERED by McCain, but I have a sneaking feeling that well intentioned but foolish Christians will not be responsible with their vote and end up getting Obama elected anyway.
LOL! Brilliant parody of the conservative mindset!
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 11:40:52 PM
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Only thing I can think of is, he seems to be a good dad, and husband. Though I will not vote for him, it is a posative thing to say about him. Julius I like your T.W.O. that is really good, and original, and made me giggle (sorry)
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 11:41:34 PM
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ManimalX
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And he is not wicked.... why? The man is a bitterly deceitful liar and a divisive accuser who claims Jesus with his lips but then denies Him by his deeds, promoting the very wickedness his position of authority was divinely established to fight.
So again, Obama is not wicked... why?
He man, I don't care. You want him to be wicked, you got it. In fact if you want, add evil, mean and nasty to it. But this is a Reasons to vote for Obama thread, and while nobody can stop people who think he's "the wicked Obama" from posting, I would suggest you start your own thread:
Reasons NOT to vote for the "The Wicked Obama." From now on, I think I'll call him "T.W.O" for short.
- Julius
Translation: There is no way to make an argument that Obama is not wicked and therefore the default strawman position of "you are off topic" must be taken.
However, I am completely on topic. If this thread is to be true, then any offered reason to vote Obama that is actually NOT a good reason needs to be exposed and discarded. That is the reason for my initial post.
So, if you want to try to make a case for the GOODNESS of Obama, but are hesitant to do it in this thread, start a new one and let me know so we can bandy the subject about.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 11:47:08 PM
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ManimalX
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Only thing I can think of is, he seems to be a good dad, and husband. Though I will not vote for him, it is a posative thing to say about him. Julius I like your T.W.O. that is really good, and original, and made me giggle (sorry)
That is a great point, light. His daughters to seem to adore him and he has had an apparently very faithful marriage. As much as I detest Obama's socialist policies and abhor his deceitfulness and outright lying, he doesn't really strike me as the philandering type.
Again, good point.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/17/2008 11:57:36 PM
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ManimalX
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Because this election is a referendum on B.H. Obama. In other words: this election is not about who likes McCain vs who likes Obama but rather an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama. Unfortunately the person who is most likely to defeat him is John McCain because of the two-party system we currently have.... which means all of those "conscience votes" for good guys like Alan Keyes or whichever third party are actually votes FOR Obama. Obama SHOULD get CLOBBERED by McCain, but I have a sneaking feeling that well intentioned but foolish Christians will not be responsible with their vote and end up getting Obama elected anyway.
LOL! Brilliant parody of the conservative mindset!
I am assuming you are being facetious, but I will explain a third time for those who still don't understand my point, leaving out the harder truths about wickedness and such: The mindset of the majority of people voting this election is not as it normally is in an election, which is "I will vote for my guy because I like him as a candidate, you will vote for your guy because you like him, and may the best man win". Rather, a combination of Obama's polarizing candidacy and the fact that the Republican party is nominating a very poor candidate that doesn't represent the core of the party means that this election is a referendum on Obama. In other words (again), votes in this election are either FOR Obama or AGAINST Obama, not FOR Obama or FOR McCain. This is a pretty plain and simple truth that both sides of the political spectrum recognize. If McCain wins, it won't be because he was a beloved candidate, it will be because people didn't want Obama in the big chair regardless of who else was running.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 4:33:42 AM
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saved9201
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Translation: There is no way to make an argument that Obama is not wicked and therefore the default strawman position of "you are off topic" must be taken.
However, I am completely on topic. If this thread is to be true, then any offered reason to vote Obama that is actually NOT a good reason needs to be exposed and discarded. That is the reason for my initial post.
So, if you want to try to make a case for the GOODNESS of Obama, but are hesitant to do it in this thread, start a new one and let me know so we can bandy the subject about.
Translation. Although I've conceded that I cannot and will not debate you on whether or not B. Hussein O. is "wicked" or not, mainly because I'm just not that good at going around assessing the wickedness of individuals I don't know based on their political views only, you still want to pick a fight. I know Obama supporters who are absolutely on fire for the Lord and I have no doubt that they are saved. That may not bode well with some of you here, but I refuse to call someone "wicked", just because they support democratic candidates or principles. Like I said, there's absolutely no way I can prove to you he's NOT wicked. Maybe he is. Maybe some of you are. I don't know. But I'm not asking any of you to prove to me you're not wicked. Some of you exhibit very little in the way of "fruits of the spirit" in some of your posts. Some people obvious think that wickedness is narrowly defined as being pro-choice. That's your opinion, it's not mine. Thus, T.W.O is wicked, McCain isn't. Democrats are wicked, republicans aren't. I don't think it's that cut and dry. But again, I guess we'll all find out one day and we may be surprised who we see in heaven. And who we don't see there.
So, like I said, T.W.O may be wicked, I don't know T.W.O's heart. I don't know yours. You've stated your opinion, that you think he definitely is. Are we done here yet?
- Julius
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 9:29:02 AM
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...an election about whether or not you will cast an unrighteous vote FOR the wicked Obama, or a more righteous vote AGAINST the wicked Obama.
Just when I thought I'd heard it all..."The Wicked Obama". That's classic.
- Julius
I suspect classic "shameless troll", actually.
Certainly nobody could indulge in such shameless hyperbole with anything other than a straight face.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 10:40:46 AM
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You might want to check your facts before accusing someone of trolling. I have been an active member of these forums for quite sometime and am always eager to defend my positions. In fact, just checking the basic info available here on the forums, it appears that I have over twice as many posts as you and have been a member for 3 more years than you. I normally don't give a rip about post numbers and length of membership, but if you are going to accuse me of something then you need to do your homework first. If you don't agree with something I write, that is fine, but it doesn't make me a troll.
And, to saved 9201, I have no problems discerning wickedness in public figures when I see it. It isn't difficult. Perhaps tonight if I have a chance I will start a T.W.O. thread (I like that acronym). If I do, I would love to have this discussion there.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 10:50:52 AM
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I am assuming you are being facetious, but I will explain a third time for those who still don't understand my point, leaving out the harder truths about wickedness and such
Crud, you really are serious! In any case, thanks for toning down the, uh, lack of cogency.
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The mindset of the majority of people voting this election is not as it normally is in an election, which is "I will vote for my guy because I like him as a candidate, you will vote for your guy because you like him, and may the best man win". Rather, a combination of Obama's polarizing candidacy and the fact that the Republican party is nominating a very poor candidate that doesn't represent the core of the party means that this election is a referendum on Obama.
Apparently, you didn't watch the 2004 or 2000 elections. I'm also pretty sure Clinton got elected in 1992 on "He's not Bush", and Dole tried to run in 1996 on "He's not Clinton."
I think McCain is a candidate to get excited about, but he needs to run his campaign on the issues, not on "BHO is the Antichrist!" (The one claim I have yet to see on this forum.)
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In other words (again), votes in this election are either FOR Obama or AGAINST Obama, not FOR Obama or FOR McCain. This is a pretty plain and simple truth that both sides of the political spectrum recognize. If McCain wins, it won't be because he was a beloved candidate, it will be because people didn't want Obama in the big chair regardless of who else was running.
Great! I'm probably going to vote FOR Obama, though I am open to voting FOR McCain if he is willing to talk about taking the necessary painful steps to reduce our deficit.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 10:52:36 AM
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Hey I got one,
Vote for Barak because his name is IN the Bible.
Jdg 4:14 And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.
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RE: Reasons to vote for Barak Obama - 8/18/2008 12:05:14 PM
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You might want to check your facts before accusing someone of trolling. I have been an active member of these forums for quite sometime and am always eager to defend my positions. In fact, just checking the basic info available here on the forums, it appears that I have over twice as many posts as you and have been a member for 3 more years than you. I normally don't give a rip about post numbers and length of membership, but if you are going to accuse me of something then you need to do your homework first. If you don't agree with something I write, that is fine, but it doesn't make me a troll.
And, to saved 9201, I have no problems discerning wickedness in public figures when I see it. It isn't difficult. Perhaps tonight if I have a chance I will start a T.W.O. thread (I like that acronym). If I do, I would love to have this discussion there.
Support your assertion of Obama's "wickedness".
maybe you could start by defining what you mean by "wicked".
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