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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 7:36:37 PM
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I don't agree at all with if you sing at a church you are endorsing it. If you are there singing and are a ministry you are spreading the Word. If the Church is not in the true Word don't you think they need to hear it. Chances are they won't go to another Church to hear it. The Word tells us to go out into the highways and hedges.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 8:31:03 PM
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I don't agree at all with if you sing at a church you are endorsing it. If you are there singing and are a ministry you are spreading the Word. If the Church is not in the true Word don't you think they need to hear it. Chances are they won't go to another Church to hear it. The Word tells us to go out into the highways and hedges.
What if you preach in a church? Churches advertise singers and preachers. If someone is advertising that X is going to be there, then to me, that is the church identifying with the singer/preacher, as being like minded, and worthy of taking the church's pulpit/stage.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:06:01 PM
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I agree with Qtman, dbmurray, and servants. I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement". Any more than singing at a county fair is an endorsement of tractor pulls.
Even if someone managed to form a quartet that believed exactly alike, would you restrict them to singing only in churches that believed exactly the same way (assuming that you could find one)?
You would soon discriminate yourself out of business.
IMHO, we should quit worrying about religion/denominations and focus on Jesus. Insignificant differences in doctrine should not turn us away from our brothers and sisters in Christ.
After all, we are on the same side.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:07:09 PM
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Ok, Lets try it this way. Do you remember in the bible when the pharisee's was scoffing and putting Jesus down because he sat down with the sinners and tax collectors? You see he was taking the word to them. That is what you are doing when you take your ministry into other churches or venues. We try and go where ever God opens the door.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:12:33 PM
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Ok, Lets try it this way. Do you remember in the bible when the pharisee's was scoffing and putting Jesus down because he sat down with the sinners and tax collectors? You see he was taking the word to them. That is what you are doing when you take your ministry into other churches or venues. We try and go where ever God opens the door.
And any group that does not do this needs to find suitable employment elsewhere. They are not cut out for the ministry.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:18:27 PM
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Amen and Amen, Qtman. Now someone please pass the biscuits.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:19:27 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:25:01 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:37:28 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't find something wrong with Jesus Christ himself, but if one of my favorite soloists or groups performed at an openly gay church (knowing it was such, and not encouraging the individuals there to come out of that sin), I would conclude that they were at least fine with others engaging in that particular behavior.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:39:40 PM
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Well, I guess you all just have a different view than I do.
As far as putting religion and denominations aside, amen to that. But, beliefs and doctrine are way different than denominations and religion. They are very important.
But, most gospel music has very little doctrine anyway, so its not THAT big a deal, I don't guess.
As I said, most churches I know are very careful about who preaches behind their pulpit, and who sings, because even if the group doesnt see it that way, anyone behind the pulpit or on stage, DOES represent the church on that day/night.
Just my opinion though.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:41:29 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't find something wrong with Jesus Christ himself, but if one of my favorite soloists or groups performed at an openly gay church (knowing it was such, and not encouraging the individuals there to come out of that sin), I would conclude that they were at least fine with others engaging in that particular behavior.
Would this openly gay church neew the Gospel shared with them. I would think they would. Is that not what SG Artist do. Do they not carry the Gospel to those that need it. And if anyone needed it it would be a gay church. If that group or soloist is singing about Jesus, Grace, and Salvation maybe it's just what they need to hear.
I can just hear the excuses now. I can see some group saying God I will go anywhere you send me to spread the Gospel but not to those gays. I don't think so.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:50:27 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't find something wrong with Jesus Christ himself, but if one of my favorite soloists or groups performed at an openly gay church (knowing it was such, and not encouraging the individuals there to come out of that sin), I would conclude that they were at least fine with others engaging in that particular behavior.
Would this openly gay church neew the Gospel shared with them. I would think they would. Is that not what SG Artist do. Do they not carry the Gospel to those that need it. And if anyone needed it it would be a gay church. If that group or soloist is singing about Jesus, Grace, and Salvation maybe it's just what they need to hear.
I can just hear the excuses now. I can see some group saying God I will go anywhere you send me to spread the Gospel but not to those gays. I don't think so.
I think you are missing the point. Yeah, it's fine to spread the gospel to gays, they need it, but typically at a concert, when are you gonna hear anything about gays? I have never heard a SG song or any other gospel song that said anything about homosexuals.
Gospel concerts are for edification, for the most part, as is church.
A church's function involves more than spreading the saving gospel.
A church is there for the Body of Christ as much as for sinners needing a saviour.
For almost all groups, they'd get as many amens and hand claps from a gay crowd as they would from a straight one, because a "gay church" probably believes in Jesus, they just pervert the scriptures, and make them say what they like, so a group singing would probably be well recieved. That's why a group needs to know where its going before it agrees.
Same with Chuch of Christ. I mean they'd probably clap just as hard as anyone, even though, they believe in baptismal regeneration. A typical member would think, hey this is what we believe, their songs dont really disagree, so they must believe like us.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 9:53:10 PM
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Bill: What church denomination do you think that it is acceptable for SG performers to sing to?
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:00:59 PM
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I don't think it's a particular denomination. I think it's a beliefs system.
I'm really talking about your odd balls though, like
Church of Christ
Catholic
Any church that teaches works salvation, baptismal regeneration, loss of salvation, that sort of thing.
Now, if a group believes that, more power to em', but I suspect most don't believe that way, at least from what they say.
I know this isn't a forum for doctinal disputes, but I just think any group would be well served making sure that they weren't singing somewhere that would associate them with things they don't believe...
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:05:25 PM
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I think my point has been lost. I didnt really ask this, because of groups compromising to sing only what the church believed, but asked more out of concern for groups being associated with cultish churches, and churches who preach and teach bizzarro doctrine, like works salvation, or baptismal regeneration.
Say, if a SG group was asked to sing in a Catholic church? (not saying this would happen) but how many groups would want to be associated with that bunch?? Interesting choice of words.
So . . . what if a Southern Gospel group was singing somewhere and there were Catholics was in the audience? Would you recommend that the group refuse to sing until the Catholic person (people) left?
And why would is be so hard to imagine that a SG group would be invited to singe at a Catholic church?
And to carry that even further . . . what if a group went somewhere and there were not-yet believers in the audience?
Are you saying that a group should sing in front of only those they have deemed appropriate or worthy?
How does that line up Scripturally?
I'm not talking about audience members, good grief. I'm talking about perfoming as a guest of a church that you don't believe in what they do.
If I saw KINGSMEN QUARTET LIVE AT OUR MOTHER OF PERPETUAL WHATEVER THEY SAY....
I'd be concerned about what that group believed. I guess if you had a poster that read KINGSMEN QUARTET CHALLENGING CATHOLIC BELIEFS AND WINNING THEM TO CHRIST...that'd be better 
As I have repeatedly said, at least around where I live, guest preachers and singers, are representing the church they are singing at on that particular night
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:06:28 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't find something wrong with Jesus Christ himself, but if one of my favorite soloists or groups performed at an openly gay church (knowing it was such, and not encouraging the individuals there to come out of that sin), I would conclude that they were at least fine with others engaging in that particular behavior.
Would this openly gay church neew the Gospel shared with them. I would think they would. Is that not what SG Artist do. Do they not carry the Gospel to those that need it. And if anyone needed it it would be a gay church. If that group or soloist is singing about Jesus, Grace, and Salvation maybe it's just what they need to hear.
I can just hear the excuses now. I can see some group saying God I will go anywhere you send me to spread the Gospel but not to those gays. I don't think so.
Excellent post.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:10:25 PM
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I fail to see how preaching/performing/visiting a church amounts to an "endorsement".
...and yet, some people see it that way. A couple of years back, a SG soloist performed at a gay church, and that was construed by some as an endorsement of that church.
You are probably right Daniel. But those same people would find something wrong with Jesus Christ Himself.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't find something wrong with Jesus Christ himself, but if one of my favorite soloists or groups performed at an openly gay church (knowing it was such, and not encouraging the individuals there to come out of that sin), I would conclude that they were at least fine with others engaging in that particular behavior.
Would this openly gay church neew the Gospel shared with them. I would think they would. Is that not what SG Artist do. Do they not carry the Gospel to those that need it. And if anyone needed it it would be a gay church. If that group or soloist is singing about Jesus, Grace, and Salvation maybe it's just what they need to hear.
I can just hear the excuses now. I can see some group saying God I will go anywhere you send me to spread the Gospel but not to those gays. I don't think so.
I think you are missing the point. Yeah, it's fine to spread the gospel to gays, they need it, but typically at a concert, when are you gonna hear anything about gays? I have never heard a SG song or any other gospel song that said anything about homosexuals. When was the last time you heard a SG group sing about adultery? But like it or not, adultery is rampant in the Christian community.
The same could be applied to any sin. No one knows a person's heart except them and Our Lord (and even then, Our Lord knows more than we do of our hearts).
And I'm sure people who make up audiences have myriad sins either in their hearts or being actively lived that the SG groups don't know about. Just because someone goes somewhere where the sin is not as evident (as say versus going to a gay church) does not mean that sin doesn't exist among the people gathered.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:11:31 PM
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I don't think it's a particular denomination. I think it's a beliefs system.
I'm really talking about your odd balls though, like
Church of Christ
Catholic
Any church that teaches works salvation, baptismal regeneration, loss of salvation, that sort of thing.
Now, if a group believes that, more power to em', but I suspect most don't believe that way, at least from what they say. You do have a way with words.
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I have never refused to sing anywhere I have been called. My last group was made up of 1 Methodist, 2 Baptist, 1 Church of God and 1 Pentecostal Holiness. Three of the five were licensed ordained ministers. We performed in a variety of denominations, in High School Gyms and at a annual board meeting of the Salvation Army. If they called us we went. In fact are we not commanded to do so. The great commission is to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. Why not start in the churches?
