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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 8:13:50 AM
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Peter_Gunn
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
I always wonder why folks like you are even in this country. You just seem like you'd be so much happier elsewhere.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 8:47:32 AM
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I don't get the significance of that..........
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Honesty is the best policy- for terrorists.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 9:19:47 AM
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I don't get the significance of that..........
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Honesty is the best policy- for terrorists.
The significance is that insertion of prejudicial language - a logical fallacy that would get a high-school debate team expelled - is the only tactic they've got left.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 9:25:49 AM
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Oh, well...back to my red corner to read up on my Arabic!
Thanks for the reminder that you are not to be taken seriously.
You got it! I've been telling people that for years! Much like the young Senator from Illinios...we don't take some folks seriously at all...we see them quite clearly, thank you.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 9:55:00 AM
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
I always wonder why folks like you are even in this country. You just seem like you'd be so much happier elsewhere.
Well, there's approximately 70% of the country's voting population who feel this way, so if you are expecting a mass migration to Canada, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Most of us have decided to wait out the last five months of one of the worst presidencies since Nixon (Yes, even worse than Clinton) because we think the electorate is capable of reasoning and picking a smarter and more honest president- something that Bush and Rove doubted. In any case, either candidate would be a marked improvement over our current POTUS.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 10:29:43 AM
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
I always wonder why folks like you are even in this country. You just seem like you'd be so much happier elsewhere.
Well, there's approximately 70% of the country's voting population who feel this way, so if you are expecting a mass migration to Canada, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Most of us have decided to wait out the last five months of one of the worst presidencies since Nixon (Yes, even worse than Clinton) because we think the electorate is capable of reasoning and picking a smarter and more honest president- something that Bush and Rove doubted. In any case, either candidate would be a marked improvement over our current POTUS.
No...I don't expect a migration, mass or otherwise. I know people are happy enough to stay here but love to criticize everything that doesn't fit them to a T. I just don't understand that mentality.
Well...maybe I do. Brings the Israelites to mind..."If only we were back in Egypt...life would be perfect again!"
First, we shouldn't criticize our leadership for the world to hear. Sometimes I'd like to disown my kids, but I don't shout it from the rooftops or whine in some nonsensical blog. They're my kids...I take the good with the bad.
The same holds true for whoever the president is. We have to be VERY careful about how loudly we criticize him. And, even if Obama is elected, I'll hold myself to the same standard. And it appears to be a standard modeled in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible do we see the "slamming" and denigration of a leader that we see in our country.
And second, I don't have the confidence in the electorate that you do. Wish I did! I think most are drawn to the most charismatic of the choices...this election will be no different.
As for my comment about being in this country, we're either Americans, through and through, or we're just here for the refreshments.
But, whatever you do...don't take any of this seriously! I'm sure God doesn't. 
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 11:38:30 AM
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Why?
Because Americans have the RIGHT to criticize our government - it says so right there in the Constitution.
And as for criticizing the government loudly enough to be heard by all those dusty foreigners - tough. The actions of this government have made America a feared, despised outlaw. Even our closest allies are trying to distance themselves from some of Bush's actions and positions. If anything, criticism of this President IMPROVES our position in the world.
"oderim dum metuant" was the working motto of a famous historical figure - five points to the first who can identify him, and the bad end that his arrogance led him to.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 12:20:21 PM
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I don't get the significance of that..........
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Honesty is the best policy- for terrorists.
A series of largely accurate if uncomfortable truths is met with "great motivational speech for terrorists". If this isn't ironic, it's severely troubling for honest political discourse.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 12:44:03 PM
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If this isn't ironic, it's severely troubling for honest political discourse.
I'm afraid that is indeed a rare animal in these threads. Moreoften, you'll just get reguritated talking points, and partisan hackery.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 5:40:29 PM
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davemiller7
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I thought that a few years ago, People like Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streissand, Sean Penn, and others had vowed to leave America if Bush was elected. They were still here the last I knew. Maybe they don't have enough money for the tickets?
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No...I don't expect a migration, mass or otherwise. I know people are happy enough to stay here but love to criticize everything that doesn't fit them to a T. I just don't understand that mentality.
Well...maybe I do. Brings the Israelites to mind..."If only we were back in Egypt...life would be perfect again!"
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 7:46:48 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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I thought that a few years ago, People like Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streissand, Sean Penn, and others had vowed to leave America if Bush was elected. They were still here the last I knew. Maybe they don't have enough money for the tickets?
-Dave
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No...I don't expect a migration, mass or otherwise. I know people are happy enough to stay here but love to criticize everything that doesn't fit them to a T. I just don't understand that mentality.
Well...maybe I do. Brings the Israelites to mind..."If only we were back in Egypt...life would be perfect again!"
I'd be happy to help! 
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 8:28:02 PM
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RichLP
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A series of largely accurate if uncomfortable truths is met with "great motivational speech for terrorists". If this isn't ironic, it's severely troubling for honest political discourse. \
Indeed. Then again, a lot of people are too thin-skinned to face such "uncomfortable truths."
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 10:37:18 PM
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I believe there lready exist a one stop thread for the Iraq War, and there is a one stop thread about President Bush.
Can we get back to the topic of Obama and the dangers that face our future?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/13/2008 11:47:51 PM
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...yes, it seems this thread has run it's course...
but hey, if the ideologues want to keep insulting each other...have at it.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 1:39:04 AM
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Yes, unfortunately there were plenty of SPINELESS Senators who voted for a resolution that led to one of the worst foreign policy moves in US history.
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(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized to use the
Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary
and appropriate in order to—
(1) defend the national security of the United States against
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.
One that some historians have decried as one of the most foolish military ventures in the history of war - one which we will not win, and one which has increased terror, heightened already high levels of anti-Americanism in the Middle East, generated 4 million Iraqi refugees, cost dozens of thousands of US casualties (summing dead and wounded; many of the latter will deal w/ physical disabilities and mental/psychological issues for the rest of their lives), killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, unleashed a civil war in Iraq, created the settings for Islamic extremists to persecute previously left-alone Iraqi Christians who had the freedom to worship Jesus Christ in peace, and has propelled Iran to the summit in the region's balance of power (sans of course nuclear-armed Israel).
Nice motivational speech for terrorists.
Another Crosswalker who resorts to cheap shots when faced with fact-based statements he/she is uncomfortable with, and yet is unable and to refute. Then again, what to expect from folks who don't due their due diligence.
I never read any "fact-based" argument, only a blame America pep-talk for terrorists. Like Harry Reid you have a war "which we will not win" at the top of your Christmas list. Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 4:20:59 AM
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Can we get back to the topic of Obama and the dangers that face our future?
Okay.
Perhaps with this thing in Georgia brewing, McCain and those on the right will be inclined to list (for example) five compelling reasons McCain would be better qualified to lead during this crisis. That is, assuming those reasons exist. That would, in my opinion, be much more relevant to voters than constantly trying to instill fear into our hearts about the danger of B. Hussein O. and his evil wife, M. Hussein O. at the helm. Speaking of which, there's a new book out by a Worldnut daily staffer, that offers more juicy tidbits on the dangerous B. Hussein O. But even the guy who wrote the book plans on voting for someone other than McCain. What I'm saying is, I believe McCain and his supporters have already established that they believe B. Hussein O. is evil, wicked, dangerous, naive, inexperienced, etc. - to the point of what I beleve is overkill. Now it's time to start selling us on why he (McCain) is the best person for this job. That is, if those selling points really exist. Or is his only selling point, "I'm NOT Obama"?
-Julius
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 7:19:49 AM
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And, would YOU care to start that NEW thread? This one is about Obamessiah, not McCain.
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What I'm saying is, I believe McCain and his supporters have already established that they believe B. Hussein O. is evil, wicked, dangerous, naive, inexperienced, etc. - to the point of what I beleve is overkill. Now it's time to start selling us on why he (McCain) is the best person for this job. That is, if those selling points really exist. Or is his only selling point, "I'm NOT Obama"?
-Julius
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The light of God surrounds me,
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 10:57:12 AM
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I never read any "fact-based" argument, only a blame America pep-talk for terrorists. Like Harry Reid you have a war "which we will not win" at the top of your Christmas list. Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over.
On the contrary, all the points I made which you cheaply qualified as a "nice motivational speech for terrorists" are ALL factually correct, and for several of these I have provided validation right here on Crosswalk.
Christmas list? Sorry, I do not believe in Santa Claus.
"Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over" - considering that there was running water and electricity, that women and girls were allowed to have jobs and schooling, and that Iraqi Christians were permitted to attend their churches and to worship the God of the Bible freely during that time, it's ironic you use yet another cheap shot towards me - now, an attempt to portray me as a Hussein apologist.
Ljmac, I am willing to debate you one-on-one about the horrors the Iraq war brought at any time. But I speculate you will simply refuse, as have others I've offered to engage with one-on-one. Then again, considering your tactics (cheap, uncalled-for personal attacks), I fathom that ad hominems are the extent of your repertoire.
Should I be wrong, prove it.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 12:37:19 PM
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I never read any "fact-based" argument, only a blame America pep-talk for terrorists. Like Harry Reid you have a war "which we will not win" at the top of your Christmas list. Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over.
On the contrary, all the points I made which you cheaply qualified as a "nice motivational speech for terrorists" are ALL factually correct, and for several of these I have provided validation right here on Crosswalk.
Christmas list? Sorry, I do not believe in Santa Claus.
"Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over" - considering that there was running water and electricity, that women and girls were allowed to have jobs and schooling, and that Iraqi Christians were permitted to attend their churches and to worship the God of the Bible freely during that time, it's ironic you use yet another cheap shot towards me - now, an attempt to portray me as a Hussein apologist.
Ljmac, I am willing to debate you one-on-one about the horrors the Iraq war brought at any time. But I speculate you will simply refuse, as have others I've offered to engage with one-on-one. Then again, considering your tactics (cheap, uncalled-for personal attacks), I fathom that ad hominems are the extent of your repertoire.
Should I be wrong, prove it.
You don't believe in Santa Clause, but a lost war is on your wish list.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 1:17:50 PM
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I never read any "fact-based" argument, only a blame America pep-talk for terrorists. Like Harry Reid you have a war "which we will not win" at the top of your Christmas list. Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over.
On the contrary, all the points I made which you cheaply qualified as a "nice motivational speech for terrorists" are ALL factually correct, and for several of these I have provided validation right here on Crosswalk.
Christmas list? Sorry, I do not believe in Santa Claus.
"Give up, the good old days of Saddam are over" - considering that there was running water and electricity, that women and girls were allowed to have jobs and schooling, and that Iraqi Christians were permitted to attend their churches and to worship the God of the Bible freely during that time, it's ironic you use yet another cheap shot towards me - now, an attempt to portray me as a Hussein apologist.
Ljmac, I am willing to debate you one-on-one about the horrors the Iraq war brought at any time. But I speculate you will simply refuse, as have others I've offered to engage with one-on-one. Then again, considering your tactics (cheap, uncalled-for personal attacks), I fathom that ad hominems are the extent of your repertoire.
Should I be wrong, prove it.
You don't believe in Santa Clause, but a lost war is on your wish list.
It is what I believe - I believe that due to the disastrous policies of the Bush administration, that we will lose this war. I never said it is what I "wish" for.
So, do you accept my offer for a one-on-one debate on the horrors of the Iraqi war? Or will you simply make yet another mischaracterization of what I say (you falsely accused me of a "wish list" after falsely stating that what I said before, which are all FACT, are NOT fact and are a "nice motivational speech for terrorists?"
"wish list." "Santa Claus." LOL...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 3:28:22 PM
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Can we get back to the topic of Obama and the dangers that face our future?
Okay.
Perhaps with this thing in Georgia brewing, McCain and those on the right will be inclined to list (for example) five compelling reasons McCain would be better qualified to lead during this crisis. That is, assuming those reasons exist. That would, in my opinion, be much more relevant to voters than constantly trying to instill fear into our hearts about the danger of B. Hussein O. and his evil wife, M. Hussein O. at the helm. Speaking of which, there's a new book out by a Worldnut daily staffer, that offers more juicy tidbits on the dangerous B. Hussein O. But even the guy who wrote the book plans on voting for someone other than McCain. What I'm saying is, I believe McCain and his supporters have already established that they believe B. Hussein O. is evil, wicked, dangerous, naive, inexperienced, etc. - to the point of what I beleve is overkill. Now it's time to start selling us on why he (McCain) is the best person for this job. That is, if those selling points really exist. Or is his only selling point, "I'm NOT Obama"?
-Julius
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It seems my new personna has not yet settled in.
I did not mean to give the impression that I believe that the dangers we face are going to be Obama's fault, just like the dangers and problems that we have been and are facing are not Bush's fault. To say or intimidate such is "overkill" and TERRIBLY misleading. It in no reflects what is actually going on. At best it takes everyone's eyes off of what is going on and keeps people divided and at each other's throats instead of problem solving.
Getting back to the thread. I do believe that Obama is dangerous to America and the world. I believe this not because I may, or may not believe him, his family, or his associates are evil. I believe this because I have come to the conclusion that his politics is all wrong. His view of America is seriously flawed. His view of the problems America and the world face are all wrong. I believe his view of who is responsible for those problems and how those problems are best handled are all wrong.
I do believe that Obama is dangerous because of the people (largely unknown to the general public) who have been instrumental in his rapid rise through the Democratic Party. Yes, he is a good speaker. He knows how to use a lot of words to really say very little.
I do believe that Obama is dangerous because he is far too politically in-experienced and powerless to deal with those who have put him where he is. If he is elected it is those people who are actually going to be in charge, just like many people accuse big business and big oil for largely being in charge during the present administration. It is these people who pose the real threat. It is these people who pose a far greater threat to America and the world than the present administration could have ever hoped to be.
I am not talking about the NWO people.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 3:48:45 PM
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I was going to start a thread asking just what it is that our political parties actually represent and stand for given all the conflicting images and messages that seem to exist today about politics.
I mean Republicans have traditionally been seen as conservative, and small government, but that does not seem to be the way it is going now.
The Democrats have traditionally been seen as being for the little guy- the average citizen- and the government as being protective of his rights.
Other political parties have had their traditional standings that have seemed to be little more than spin offs of the two main political parties.
Recently I heard something on the radio that is very disturbing. It is also relevant to the thread's question as to whether or not Obama is a threat/ the right man to lead this country at this time.
There seems to be a little talked about bill in Congress that would do away with secret voting as it pertains to whether or not a union is allowed into a work place.
After decades of insistinng that they need secret voting to protect workers who vote for union representation, the very same unions now want to abolish secret voting because relatively few people seem to want to be part of a union, and they now see the secret vote as a danger to their dwindling membership.
Now, the question that comes to mind, and a question I know is going to paint me-by many here-as a fear monger-is if this law passes, how long before there is legislation to do away with secret voting in political elections in this country?
For those who are bound to call me a fear-monger, answer me this-Why is even raising the question so fearful to you?
How does this apply to Obama?
Quess who one of the sponsors of this legislation is-Obama.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/14/2008 3:51:16 PM
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That is an extremely interestig assertion, and I would like to learn more of it. Do you have a link?
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