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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 3:51:30 PM
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Evangel70
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This said, were I a full-fledged Republican I'd have serious concerns about McCain's history of cancer, and his ability to live through a four-year term in office.
THANK YOU!  I was beginning to thing I was the only one concerned about his age and health given the extremely stressful nature of the presidency. It is said that it ages a person at least 10 years -- that would make McCain 82 years old.
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Just how many of our presidents do you think had serious health issues but still managed to perform their duties, with great distinction. I would venture to say that we've had just about the same number of presidents with health issues and performed their duties, than we've had presidents in perfect health.
How many president's started their term at 72 years of age? The next president is going to have to deal with Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, the war on terror, an economy in recession, restoring our trashed global reputation and trying to unite an extremely divided nation. That's enough to add decades to a 40 or 50 year old so imagine what it will do to someone who will be 72 when he enters office. 
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 4:46:27 PM
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How should we treat candidates who say "If I am elected the seas will stop their rise" or "If John Kerry is elected, Christopher Reeves will walk again"?
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 4:55:52 PM
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Woodrow Wilson is the first president that comes to mind who suffered from serious health issues. Issues which once became so serious during his term that Wilson became bedridden, leading his wife Edith to temporarily take on his responsibilities for two months.
I also believe that JFK suffered from back pain, but there's a big difference between that and cancer.
JFK, if memory serves me right, also had what could have been life threatening illness that was not widely publicized during his time as president.
Lincoln suffered from severe /clinical depression during his term.
I believe that FDR already had polio when he first ran for office. I believe that, at the time, polio was seen, though treatable, every bit as life threatening as cancer.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 5:42:08 PM
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Wasn't Nixon addicted to pain-killers? or some other medication?
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 6:40:13 PM
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I believe that FDR already had polio when he first ran for office. I believe that, at the time, polio was seen, though treatable, every bit as life threatening as cancer.
FDR was struck with polio (which can be fatal in severe cases, but is generally not) at age 39. Despite being crippled, he overcame the disease, and was elected president 11 years later at age 50.
FDR died in 1945 of a brain hemorrhage.
Here's the difference between polio and skin cancer: the latter is treatable, but not curable.
Regarding McCain's health, I think Evangel's comments about the high stress of the presidency are well-taken too. Look at before-and-after pics of Bill Clinton and GW Bush when they first got into office, and when they left. How do you think McCain would look after just four years?
As is, he looks pretty rough - through no fault of his own. McCain's captivity on Vietnam must have been brutal, and due to lasting sun exposure, is why he suffers from skin cancer today.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 6:46:15 PM
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For one, I think McCain's request to stage 10 town halls with Obama is major overkill. Look at the primary debates: after the second or third time they became mind-numbing reruns of the candidates repeating the same lines ad nauseum. The same thing would happen with Obama and McCain blathering about the same stuff over ten debates.
Secondly, if McCain goes into a debate with Obama packing a cocky attitude I think he'll be sorry. Obama is not a lightweight with the spoken word. And to be honest, during his appearances on the GOP primary debates earlier this year, I sometimes wondered if McCain hadn't fallen asleep.
Actually, it’s pretty much a political rule of thumb. The frontrunner always wants fewer debates than the one who is behind. I guarantee if the positions were reversed it be the opposite. In this case all McCain has to do is stay awake.
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Life, yes. But the McCain campaign is still very unfocused. IMO, trying to make this election a referendum on Obama is a strategic mistake because sooner or later, McCain will have to address hard issues and why his solutions are better than his opponent's.
To simply say, "I have experience" and expect voters to beat a path to McCain's side of the ballot is not nearly enough. He needs more in terms of substance, and judging from this past week's bizarro TV ads, McCain's light years away from doing so.
Like I said, he has to get rid of the mystique first – issues will come after the conventions.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 7:01:44 PM
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Evangel70
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How should we treat candidates who say "If I am elected the seas will stop their rise"...
IF a candidate actually said that, I'd doubt he/she would be a candidate for long. You do realize Obama was mocking Hillary Clinton when he said that? IMO McCain and the far-right's attempt to equate Obama with a "messiah" is going to seriously blow up in their face. He may get the "evangelical" vote, but he will lose the "christian" vote.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 7:07:05 PM
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Like I said, he has to get rid of the mystique first – issues will come after the conventions.
But isn't McCain's "mystique" (his war record in Vietnam) the very thing he's leaned upon so heavily during this campaign dating back to the primaries?
It's his political bread & butter.
Take that away, and his whole political identity is cut off at the knees.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 7:20:42 PM
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But isn't McCain's "mystique" (his war record in Vietnam) the very thing he's leaned upon so heavily during this campaign dating back to the primaries?
It's his political bread & butter.
Take that away, and his whole political identity is cut off at the knees.
Well, quite obviously not - he has a twenty year Senate record and a number of major legistlative intitiatives (for better or worse) that bear his name. Obama has nothing of the sort. You could criticize McCain for many things, but an empty suit he's not.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 7:39:04 PM
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Well, quite obviously not - he has a twenty year Senate record and a number of major legistlative intitiatives (for better or worse) that bear his name.
McCain's harping on Obama's experience is going to hurt his VP choice. If he chooses someone like Eric Cantor or with as much senate experience as Obama or Tim Pawlenty with no senate experience he will have difficulty justifying their "lack of experience". He will be stuck with a Mitt Romney or Joe Lieberman or have to flip-flop and change his tune.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 9:09:47 PM
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colliefan
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Wasn't Nixon addicted to pain-killers? or some other medication?
-Dan.
In an Oliver Stone movie?
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 9:20:32 PM
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Well, quite obviously not - he has a twenty year Senate record and a number of major legistlative intitiatives (for better or worse) that bear his name. Obama has nothing of the sort. You could criticize McCain for many things, but an empty suit he's not.
But that's just McCain's problem. I rarely see him discuss his legislative record.
Instead, all summer he's blathered on about one of two topics: a) how poor of a candidate Barack Obama is, and; b) his background in military issues vis-a-vis his war record in Vietnam, and support of the Iraqi surge.
Yes, McCain has addressed other issues (i.e. energy), but his overall message of why people should vote for him has been very unfocused and scattered.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 9:58:06 PM
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How should we treat candidates who say "If I am elected the seas will stop their rise"...
IF a candidate actually said that, I'd doubt he/she would be a candidate for long. You do realize Obama was mocking Hillary Clinton when he said that? IMO McCain and the far-right's attempt to equate Obama with a "messiah" is going to seriously blow up in their face. He may get the "evangelical" vote, but he will lose the "christian" vote.
If Obama gets the <cough> christian vote it would be very telling of the state of the church...
John
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/3/2008 10:45:57 PM
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Jhud
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But that's just McCain's problem. I rarely see him discuss his legislative record.
Instead, all summer he's blathered on about one of two topics: a) how poor of a candidate Barack Obama is, and; b) his background in military issues vis-a-vis his war record in Vietnam, and support of the Iraqi surge.
Yes, McCain has addressed other issues (i.e. energy), but his overall message of why people should vote for him has been very unfocused and scattered.
You really shouldn't judge what McCain has or hasn't based on a few commercials (or any candidate, for that matter) he has been fairly articulate about his positions.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/4/2008 10:31:12 AM
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Jack, McCain can't rely on a website to deseminate his positions. He's got to do it himself via how he handles the media, and I just don't see him doing that.
Instead, McCain seems to be using the bulk of his energy to attack Obama again and again versus explaining (in his own words) how his platform is better.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/4/2008 10:36:54 AM
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Jhud
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Jack, McCain can't rely on a website to deseminate his positions. He's got to do it himself via how he handles the media, and I just don't see him doing that.
Instead, McCain seems to be using the bulk of his energy to attack Obama again and again versus explaining (in his own words) how his platform is better.
Well, again, your knowledge of the campaign seems to be limited to a few commercials; McCain speaks a number of times a week to organizations and town hall meetings - what I gave you, had you looked at it, were the transcripts of those talks. He isn't just 'attacking Obama'.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/4/2008 3:43:02 PM
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Wasn't Nixon addicted to pain-killers? or some other medication?
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Wasn't it Kennedy that was eating pain pills like a chicken eating corn; for his "Back pain".
I guess all those aldultrous trysts would agravate an old war injury.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/4/2008 4:06:45 PM
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He was addicted to Power-ade.
As are both McCain and Obama
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/10/2008 5:48:01 PM
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I've been trying to take a break from politics and this forum, out of sheer boredom and depression, but the Daily Show's response to the Paris/Britney ad and McCain's general attempts at painting Obama as "arrogant" was dead on. And hilarious, so I thought I'd share it:
DailyShow
This is how you do satire correctly.
If Obama was smart he'd rip it off and create an internet response ad.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/10/2008 8:07:57 PM
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I've been trying to take a break from politics and this forum, out of sheer boredom and depression, but the Daily Show's response to the Paris/Britney ad and McCain's general attempts at painting Obama as "arrogant" was dead on. And hilarious, so I thought I'd share it:
DailyShow
This is how you do satire correctly.
If Obama was smart he'd rip it off and create an internet response ad.
Thanks! That was absolutely hilarious. I was literally in tears.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/11/2008 1:44:09 AM
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Well, again, your knowledge of the campaign seems to be limited to a few commercials; McCain speaks a number of times a week to organizations and town hall meetings - what I gave you, had you looked at it, were the transcripts of those talks. He isn't just 'attacking Obama'.
...but of course, the media thrives on political conflict...so McCain or Obama could give spend 30 minutes discussing issues...and five minutes blasting each other. Guess which portion gets the coverage?
P.S. Henny....the Daily Show piece was hilarious.
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RE: Obama: The One - 8/11/2008 5:17:36 PM
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Here is a new McCain campaign ad:The One
Has anyone else seen this? What do you think?
Personally, I think McCain is making a big mistake. This ad talks about Obama like the Messiah and never once mentions McCain.
Even though the ad tries to make fun of Obama, the fact that Obama is all over the ad it looks almost like an endorsement of the Messiah... I mean Obama.
I suspect this may backfire on McCain. What do you think?
I think you're quite correct - when all one campaign has to talk about is the other campaign, they might as well give up.
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