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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 3:00:05 AM
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Again curious about how you know this since again, he's publically stated the opposite.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
He said something different than what he's done and that puzzles you? Obama has never voted for any restriction on abortion. Not in is short time in the US Senate nor during his time in the IL legislature.
Democrats frequently say they're for restrictions on abortion when they're in the general election cycle. It is nothing but deception. One ploy is to call for phony restrictions that have a "health of the mother" exception. These exceptions are purposely vague and have been interpreted to include even non-medical exceptions such as family and financial circumstances. Medically it worthless, but politically is it a useful tool to fool people.
When the US Supreme court ruled that states may stop abortionists from killing babies during birth, Obama issued a statement of regret. How sick must one be to think it is a Constitutional right to suck the brains out of a baby? It is an illness common among Democrats.
For B.O., his love for abortion gets even sicker. Jill Stanek is a nurse from Illinois who blew the whistle on a hospital that medically neglected babies who accidentally suvived abortion attempts on their lives. Instead of being cared for, they were put on shelves and left to die. That started the ball rolling for the Born Alive Infant Protection acts in Washington and in state capitals. While in the IL legislature, Obama tried to stop his state's legislation. Apparently he is so in love with abortion that he wanted it carried out on fully born babies.
If not for GWB, stabbing a baby during birth and sucking her brains out would still be considered a Constitutional right. If not for GWB, there would be no protection at the federal level for babies who accidentally survive abortion. Thank God for GWB.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 4:59:24 AM
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Leon_Figg3,
This is what I have been asking. All I know is that I have been very uneasy about Obama's apparent disrespect of the flag. I have not heard his beliefs. If you have a link with some quotes, I would certainly appreciate it.
This appears to be a somewhat balanced statement when compared to some of the more definitive statements on this thread about Mr. Obama's lack of respect for the flag. Indeed, NONE of us know Mr. Obama's views regarding the flag, we just know his actions (and his public statements, all of which appear to be in support of the flag as a revered symbol of our country). As you and Mr. Figgs both appear to agree, those actions are relatively insignificant with regards to true feelings, so I'll be honest it does puzzle me that you have used them in other parts of this thread as evidence of Mr. Obama's lack of respect for the flag, etc.
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Every politician - Liberal as well as Conservative - have always taken great pains to show their patriotism. All I hear from the Obama people is, "How dare you question his patriotism"... I think if there are answers they should be heard and exposed rather than the pointless bantering back and forth about "flag etiquette". I apologize for my part in that bantering, if that offended you... but what was being said by others was inaccurate... as shown by the very link he posted.
I guess I wonder what was Mr. Bush's response when the allies of Mr. Kerry reared the ugly spector of "history" (as in military service as a measure of patriotism) during their epic contest of a few years ago. As I recall, Mr. Bush shamed Mr. Kerry into publicly denouncing the actions of his more zealous supporters by refusing to respond to the questions posed by Mr. Kerry's supporters. Thankfully this election cycle, Mr. McCain has out of the gate taken a similar stance and publicly denounced the questioning of Mr. Obama's character and patriotism. Perhaps Mr. McCain's more ardent supporters would be well advised to do the same.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 5:12:58 AM
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Again curious about how you know this since again, he's publically stated the opposite.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
He said something different than what he's done and that puzzles you? Obama has never voted for any restriction on abortion. Not in is short time in the US Senate nor during his time in the IL legislature.
Democrats frequently say they're for restrictions on abortion when they're in the general election cycle. It is nothing but deception. One ploy is to call for phony restrictions that have a "health of the mother" exception. These exceptions are purposely vague and have been interpreted to include even non-medical exceptions such as family and financial circumstances. Medically it worthless, but politically is it a useful tool to fool people.
When the US Supreme court ruled that states may stop abortionists from killing babies during birth, Obama issued a statement of regret. How sick must one be to think it is a Constitutional right to suck the brains out of a baby? It is an illness common among Democrats.
For B.O., his love for abortion gets even sicker. Jill Stanek is a nurse from Illinois who blew the whistle on a hospital that medically neglected babies who accidentally suvived abortion attempts on their lives. Instead of being cared for, they were put on shelves and left to die. That started the ball rolling for the Born Alive Infant Protection acts in Washington and in state capitals. While in the IL legislature, Obama tried to stop his state's legislation. Apparently he is so in love with abortion that he wanted it carried out on fully born babies.
If not for GWB, stabbing a baby during birth and sucking her brains out would still be considered a Constitutional right. If not for GWB, there would be no protection at the federal level for babies who accidentally survive abortion. Thank God for GWB.
I am not familiar enough with the examples you have used to respond to them so I will not attempt to, but I do want to respond to the tenor of what you have said.
The one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how often we as a people will "settle". You may be quite correct that Mr. Bush is a little more pro life than Mr. Obama. Now the real question-what has that done to the overall PRACTICE of abortion.
Mr. Obama indeed knows those issues that will fire up his constituency base and get them out to the polls. Mr. Bush knows those as well and so does Mr. McCain. The questions we need to be asking is what happens AFTER the polling is over. More often than not, the answer is absolutely NOTHING (or very little, as in lip service anyone?).
The one thing that Mr. Obama has always been realistic on is that the political process is one of coalition. To bring about any form of change, we need to be working together. That means that not everyone will get everything all the time. Mr. Obama will not always be able to pass "liberal left wing Democrat nutso" (or some facisimile thereof from this board) legislation ad infinitum nor will Mr. McCain or anyone else for that matter be able to make REALISTIC inroads into the end of abortion without a significant demand for that from the people of the United States (and that demand has not reached the fever pitch which will bring about real change). To attempt to CLAIM otherwise is a cheap ploy to bring lemmngs to the polls.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 7:02:35 AM
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Leon_Figg3,
This is what I have been asking. All I know is that I have been very uneasy about Obama's apparent disrespect of the flag. I have not heard his beliefs. If you have a link with some quotes, I would certainly appreciate it.
This appears to be a somewhat balanced statement when compared to some of the more definitive statements on this thread about Mr. Obama's lack of respect for the flag. Indeed, NONE of us know Mr. Obama's views regarding the flag, we just know his actions (and his public statements, all of which appear to be in support of the flag as a revered symbol of our country). As you and Mr. Figgs both appear to agree, those actions are relatively insignificant with regards to true feelings, so I'll be honest it does puzzle me that you have used them in other parts of this thread as evidence of Mr. Obama's lack of respect for the flag, etc.
The fact that his actions regarding the flag are counter to what we normally expect from politicians, I think a reasonable explanation is called for.
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Every politician - Liberal as well as Conservative - have always taken great pains to show their patriotism. All I hear from the Obama people is, "How dare you question his patriotism"... I think if there are answers they should be heard and exposed rather than the pointless bantering back and forth about "flag etiquette". I apologize for my part in that bantering, if that offended you... but what was being said by others was inaccurate... as shown by the very link he posted.
I guess I wonder what was Mr. Bush's response when the allies of Mr. Kerry reared the ugly spector of "history" (as in military service as a measure of patriotism) during their epic contest of a few years ago. As I recall, Mr. Bush shamed Mr. Kerry into publicly denouncing the actions of his more zealous supporters by refusing to respond to the questions posed by Mr. Kerry's supporters. Thankfully this election cycle, Mr. McCain has out of the gate taken a similar stance and publicly denounced the questioning of Mr. Obama's character and patriotism. Perhaps Mr. McCain's more ardent supporters would be well advised to do the same.
As you said before, "Two wrongs do not make a right". At this time, what Bush's response to Kerry's critics is irrelevant. It is in the past. I also appreciate McCain's attitude on this issue, but for many voters the question regarding Obama's character and patriotism reemains. If it is no big deal, why dodge the issue? Why not answer it directly?
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 9:29:35 AM
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The fact that his actions regarding the flag are counter to what we normally expect from politicians, I think a reasonable explanation is called for.
As you said before, "Two wrongs do not make a right". At this time, what Bush's response to Kerry's critics is irrelevant. It is in the past. I also appreciate McCain's attitude on this issue, but for many voters the question regarding Obama's character and patriotism reemains. If it is no big deal, why dodge the issue? Why not answer it directly?
I do hope that you realize that these and the majority of the statements that you have made on this thread are either altered or reversed by the statements that have either preceded or proceeded them.
That said, it's a little difficult to understand exactly what point you are making, so instead of trying to decipher, I will give my opinion on the topic and return to the original topic of the thread (my entry to this discussion was off topic so that said, I do apologize).
Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama both have demonstrated a high level of patriotism in the very act of seeking public office. Mr. McCain has sacrificed many potentially profitable years in the private sector to serve his fellow man. Whether I agree or disagree with him, I acknowledge that his service is a sacrifice given his many talents.
Mr. Obama likewise has done the same, sacrificing what could have been a very lucrative career in the private sector to serve his community on many levels-from the streets to the statehouse. Whether I agree with his policies or not, I can't deny the patriotism of serving this country through changing the life and lifestyle of it's citizens.
To attempt to throw straw man arguments up to refute the service of either of these men based upon silly REPRESENTATIONS (not the actual symbol itself) of a SYMBOL and it's display is not only laughable but saddening. I am personally encouraged that neither of these men would stoop to attempt to answer to any entreaties to the contrary. To take valuable time which is sorely needed to address the real issues of this day-deepening debt and economic problems, universal health care, getting every American enough to EAT for crying out loud to answer these silly questions would definitely denote someone who has no business running for dog catcher much less the president of the United States.
To the main topic-I wish I knew how Mr. Obama (or Mr. McCain for that matter) plans to deal with a rising national debt (largely made up of debt to foreign nations) in the face of a falling dollar worldwide (essentially raising the value of the debt by default). That, unfortunately is an issue that has been absent in every campaign I've seen in modern years-by ALL candidates.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 6:19:43 PM
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Again curious about how you know this since again, he's publically stated the opposite.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
He said something different than what he's done and that puzzles you? Obama has never voted for any restriction on abortion. Not in is short time in the US Senate nor during his time in the IL legislature.
Democrats frequently say they're for restrictions on abortion when they're in the general election cycle. It is nothing but deception. One ploy is to call for phony restrictions that have a "health of the mother" exception. These exceptions are purposely vague and have been interpreted to include even non-medical exceptions such as family and financial circumstances. Medically it worthless, but politically is it a useful tool to fool people.
When the US Supreme court ruled that states may stop abortionists from killing babies during birth, Obama issued a statement of regret. How sick must one be to think it is a Constitutional right to suck the brains out of a baby? It is an illness common among Democrats.
For B.O., his love for abortion gets even sicker. Jill Stanek is a nurse from Illinois who blew the whistle on a hospital that medically neglected babies who accidentally suvived abortion attempts on their lives. Instead of being cared for, they were put on shelves and left to die. That started the ball rolling for the Born Alive Infant Protection acts in Washington and in state capitals. While in the IL legislature, Obama tried to stop his state's legislation. Apparently he is so in love with abortion that he wanted it carried out on fully born babies.
If not for GWB, stabbing a baby during birth and sucking her brains out would still be considered a Constitutional right. If not for GWB, there would be no protection at the federal level for babies who accidentally survive abortion. Thank God for GWB.
I am not familiar enough with the examples you have used to respond to them so I will not attempt to, but I do want to respond to the tenor of what you have said.
The one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how often we as a people will "settle". You may be quite correct that Mr. Bush is a little more pro life than Mr. Obama. Now the real question-what has that done to the overall PRACTICE of abortion.
Mr. Obama indeed knows those issues that will fire up his constituency base and get them out to the polls. Mr. Bush knows those as well and so does Mr. McCain. The questions we need to be asking is what happens AFTER the polling is over. More often than not, the answer is absolutely NOTHING (or very little, as in lip service anyone?).
The one thing that Mr. Obama has always been realistic on is that the political process is one of coalition. To bring about any form of change, we need to be working together. That means that not everyone will get everything all the time. Mr. Obama will not always be able to pass "liberal left wing Democrat nutso" (or some facisimile thereof from this board) legislation ad infinitum nor will Mr. McCain or anyone else for that matter be able to make REALISTIC inroads into the end of abortion without a significant demand for that from the people of the United States (and that demand has not reached the fever pitch which will bring about real change). To attempt to CLAIM otherwise is a cheap ploy to bring lemmngs to the polls.
Bush is a little more pro life than Obama? In case you haven't noticed, GWB has signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, reinstated the Mexico City policy, continued support of the Hyde Amendment, signed the Connor and Lacy Peterson law, signed the Partial Birth Abortion act, and put in place those judges that upheld state bans on partial birth abortion. That's just off the top of my head.
Obama isn't even in the same universe on life as GWB. He's in the death camp, where after 50 million have been killed on Death Roe they still can't find one nasty thing done by abortion that they'd like to prohibit.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/7/2008 9:14:55 PM
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To the main topic-I wish I knew how Mr. Obama (or Mr. McCain for that matter) plans to deal with a rising national debt (largely made up of debt to foreign nations) in the face of a falling dollar worldwide (essentially raising the value of the debt by default). That, unfortunately is an issue that has been absent in every campaign I've seen in modern years-by ALL candidates.
Foreign debt is in U.S. dollars. If the dollar falls the debt is not increased at all... it remains the same in U.S. dollars. It might decrease in terms of currencies which have appreciated against the U.S. dollar or it might increase in terms of currencies which have depreciated against the U.S. dollar... but the number of U.S. dollars remain the same.
If your concern is national debt, a rising economy is the only solution. If the economy grows, the debt ratio drops. Increased taxes resulting in reduced investment and a shrinking economy will only make the situation worse.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/8/2008 12:34:03 AM
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Dubya,
I wasn't offended. I was just getting a bit tired of post after post about the America flag/ lapel pin issue. Maybe it's just the way I grew up, but I seem have a tendency to cast aside surface issues and get at what may be motivating someone to say or do things.
For example, some may, and have, made a big issue about Obama's apparent disregard to American symbols. For me it is more important, and more telling. where the man's thinking is to hear what he has to say about America, and American symbols. That is when my ears perk up.
My ears perked up some time ago when I happened to hear Obama say something about the way he believed that to some Americans the American flag was on par to the Confederate flag. He also said something about the American flag abroad was, to some. a symbpl of imperialism, unwarranted intervention, dominance, etc, etc,. That is why he shys away from displays of American symbols.
I am sorry that I do not have any links, or quotes, it was something I happened to hear on a news program on either ABC, CBS, or NBC I do not remember which.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/8/2008 1:01:09 AM
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I wish I knew his real motive.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/8/2008 3:21:20 AM
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Again curious about how you know this since again, he's publically stated the opposite.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
He said something different than what he's done and that puzzles you? Obama has never voted for any restriction on abortion. Not in is short time in the US Senate nor during his time in the IL legislature.
Democrats frequently say they're for restrictions on abortion when they're in the general election cycle. It is nothing but deception. One ploy is to call for phony restrictions that have a "health of the mother" exception. These exceptions are purposely vague and have been interpreted to include even non-medical exceptions such as family and financial circumstances. Medically it worthless, but politically is it a useful tool to fool people.
When the US Supreme court ruled that states may stop abortionists from killing babies during birth, Obama issued a statement of regret. How sick must one be to think it is a Constitutional right to suck the brains out of a baby? It is an illness common among Democrats.
For B.O., his love for abortion gets even sicker. Jill Stanek is a nurse from Illinois who blew the whistle on a hospital that medically neglected babies who accidentally suvived abortion attempts on their lives. Instead of being cared for, they were put on shelves and left to die. That started the ball rolling for the Born Alive Infant Protection acts in Washington and in state capitals. While in the IL legislature, Obama tried to stop his state's legislation. Apparently he is so in love with abortion that he wanted it carried out on fully born babies.
If not for GWB, stabbing a baby during birth and sucking her brains out would still be considered a Constitutional right. If not for GWB, there would be no protection at the federal level for babies who accidentally survive abortion. Thank God for GWB.
I am not familiar enough with the examples you have used to respond to them so I will not attempt to, but I do want to respond to the tenor of what you have said.
The one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how often we as a people will "settle". You may be quite correct that Mr. Bush is a little more pro life than Mr. Obama. Now the real question-what has that done to the overall PRACTICE of abortion.
Mr. Obama indeed knows those issues that will fire up his constituency base and get them out to the polls. Mr. Bush knows those as well and so does Mr. McCain. The questions we need to be asking is what happens AFTER the polling is over. More often than not, the answer is absolutely NOTHING (or very little, as in lip service anyone?).
The one thing that Mr. Obama has always been realistic on is that the political process is one of coalition. To bring about any form of change, we need to be working together. That means that not everyone will get everything all the time. Mr. Obama will not always be able to pass "liberal left wing Democrat nutso" (or some facisimile thereof from this board) legislation ad infinitum nor will Mr. McCain or anyone else for that matter be able to make REALISTIC inroads into the end of abortion without a significant demand for that from the people of the United States (and that demand has not reached the fever pitch which will bring about real change). To attempt to CLAIM otherwise is a cheap ploy to bring lemmngs to the polls.
Bush is a little more pro life than Obama? In case you haven't noticed, GWB has signed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, reinstated the Mexico City policy, continued support of the Hyde Amendment, signed the Connor and Lacy Peterson law, signed the Partial Birth Abortion act, and put in place those judges that upheld state bans on partial birth abortion. That's just off the top of my head.
Obama isn't even in the same universe on life as GWB. He's in the death camp, where after 50 million have been killed on Death Roe they still can't find one nasty thing done by abortion that they'd like to prohibit.
Along these lines, I'll post something similar to what I posted in another thread:
For the sake of argument, let's assume there is a "middle ground" between left and right on the issue of abortion.
Assuming there is such a middle ground, when has Obama ever even tried to get this middle ground on abortion and not taken the far left position on abortion?
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/8/2008 10:25:05 AM
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I'd like to know why Obama, while wanting to be President, can somehow never find it within him to say anything about how great this nation is...everything out of his mouth is about how bad we are, or how America isn't what it used to be....not exactly inspiring, IMO....
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/8/2008 10:38:48 AM
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If you feel this is so then you haven't been listening to his speeches.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 10:46:18 AM
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The intersting thing about this thread is that the people who really, really, dislike Obama apparaently do so because of what they 'know' about him, and what they 'know' about him turns out to be complete fiction.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 10:50:08 AM
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The intersting thing about this thread is that the people who really, really, dislike Obama apparaently do so because of what they 'know' about him, and what they 'know' about him turns out to be complete fiction.
Such as? Specifics would really add a lot to the discussion... 
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 11:07:00 AM
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People "know" he is a Muslim. He is not.
People "know" he's for a tax increase. Obama's tax proposals run to middle-income tax CUTS and only a reversal of Bush's tax cuts on the wealthiest 1%.
People 'know' he's a naif for suggesting actual negotiations, without ultimatum, with those nations the right wain in America would drumbeat as 'enemies'. No need to refute that one.
People 'know' he's a liberation theology believer because they heard ten seconds of his pastor's sermons, out of twenty years of ministry, that would advance such views.
People 'know' that Obama is merely a celebrity because, well, McCain's ads say that there is all to him. A pot check I did over the weekend - McCain's ad was on every half-hour or so during the Olympics - showed me that of the twenty people who I asked who had noticed the ad, NONE had bothered to visit Obama's campaign site to find out just what the man has to say on the issues they claimed to be concerned with.
People 'know' that Obama is for 'increased government spending' because teh McCain ads calim that Obama is for increased government spending. They DON'T know the other part of that equation - that Obama has delcared that he will VETO any new-spending bill which does not clearly identify how it is to be paid for. (McCain, during his time in the US SEnate, has voted for MANY new-spending bills without bothering to know how they are to be paid for, one reason that fourteen years of Republican control of Congress including seven of being able to rubber-stamp Bush's insane deficits have landed America with the biggest jump in national debt in the history of the world.)
Obama - the less you know about him, the worse he looks.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 1:04:50 PM
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Yes, Obama is for raising taxes....it doesn't matter what income level he's going to raise them on. Irrefutable.
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People 'know' he's a naif for suggesting actual negotiations, without ultimatum, with those nations the right wain in America would drumbeat as 'enemies'.
He's already said it, despite the fact that history has demonstrated that appeasement of terrorist or dictators DOES NOT WORK.
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People 'know' that Obama is merely a celebrity because, well, McCain's ads say that there is all to him.
People knew this long before the McCain ad came out. I think it was all the people fainting at his rallies that did it...
Yeah, I guess we do know a little about Obama...enough to make us very wary of him...
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 1:52:23 PM
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The celebrity attack has got to be the most ridiculous angle in a while.
I mean think about Reagan for just a second. Come on.
"Celebrity" is the most convoluted rationales for rejecting someone I can imagine. It's the rough equivalent of hating on someone for being likable and having a way with words.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 2:06:05 PM
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The celebrity attack has got to be the most ridiculous angle in a while.
I mean think about Reagan for just a second. Come on.
"Celebrity" is the most convoluted rationales for rejecting someone I can imagine. It's the rough equivalent of hating on someone for being likable and having a way with words.
What is McCain THINKING?!
"Vote for me because you like my opponent too much!!"?
What kind of campaign pitch is THAT?!
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 2:08:40 PM
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Well, people like Paris Hilton or Pauly Shore demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that you don't need much in the way of substance to become famous.
Obama should feel right at home...
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 2:14:35 PM
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Well, people like Paris Hilton or Pauly Shore demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that you don't need much in the way of substance to become famous.
I'm not sure how those two are at all analogous to Obama. Both of them are the beneficiaries of wealthy or well-connected families.
One could try to go with the empty suit angle, but that's hardly the tack that has been taken.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 2:25:28 PM
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Zhi
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I wish I knew what our country would look like after 4 years of him being in office.
In all fairness I wish I knew the same thing about McCain.
I think if we could see 4 years into each potential future, presidential elections would suddenly get so much simpler.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 3:20:06 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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ORIGINAL: tafkam
I'd like to know why Obama, while wanting to be President, can somehow never find it within him to say anything about how great this nation is...everything out of his mouth is about how bad we are, or how America isn't what it used to be....not exactly inspiring, IMO....
You tried this canard on the other thread (and, for all I know, many other places) and even after your ignorance was pointed out, you still clung to making statements you know to be false - ie, lying.
Consider yourself busted again.
""I’m Barack Obama. America is a country of strong families and strong values. My life’s been blessed by both.
I was raised by a single mom and my grandparents. We didn’t have much money, but they taught me values straight from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. Accountability and self-reliance. Love of country. Working hard without making excuses. Treating your neighbor as you’d like to be treated. It’s what guided me as I worked my way up — taking jobs and loans to make it through college.
It’s what led me to pass up Wall Street jobs and go to Chicago instead, helping neighborhoods devastated when steel plants closed. That’s why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who’d been neglected.
I approved this message because I’ll never forget those values, and if I have the honor of taking the oath of office as President, it will be with a deep and abiding faith in the country I love.”
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 3:38:18 PM
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tafkam
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And I'll again congratulate you for coming up with ONE out of this entire never ending campaign.
But for the most part, Obama is invested in how bad everything about the USA is. From the economy to the war, he has to always trumpet failure and doom, or else he has no chance at the power he so desperately craves.
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RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama - 8/11/2008 6:27:42 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama both have demonstrated a high level of patriotism in the very act of seeking public office. Mr. McCain has sacrificed many potentially profitable years in the private sector to serve his fellow man. Whether I agree or disagree with him, I acknowledge that his service is a sacrifice given his many talents.
Mr. Obama likewise has done the same, sacrificing what could have been a very lucrative career in the private sector to serve his community on many levels-from the streets to the statehouse. Whether I agree with his policies or not, I can't deny the patriotism of serving this country through changing the life and lifestyle of it's citizens.
What says that a person in government is there to serve the people? The vast majority of what goes on in government theses days is nothing but self-serving at the expense of other, not for others... Part of the reason Obama is in office is because he supports the murder of the unborn so please understand if I don't buy into the concept of his patriotism of serving this country through changing the life and lifestyle of it's citizens when it's partially on the backs so to speak of murdered unborn children...
John
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