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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 4:32:05 AM
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cybrjewls
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Greetings! It is inferred from the text by many that the serpent was somehow invaded by the devil for this event. Therefore, God pronounces upon the snake line who was used as a tool of the devil in deceiving the lady that they will have no legs any longer. For scientists say that there are sockets for these legs and that snakes have 'evolutionarily' changed from the original form. Regarding the Dragon, the devil God pronounces upon him that he will strike the heel of Christ, but He will crush his head. This is fulfilled in revelation when the Dragon and the angels that were found with his folly were divulged of their okeeteerion into tartarus state (the chains of darkness that Paul speaks of) where thrown out of there places in the 'higher' heavenly realms in banishment to earth. Woe to the earth is written because the devil is very angry and begins to persecute the Church of God unto Martyrdoms as written regarding how the Dragon pursues the Woman and, because of his anger, many events were issued by Christ Jesus in Prophecy over earth history as written in revelation regarding the seal Judgments (decisions) of God.
The devil is banished here, but Christ gave Believers Power through The Holy Spirit to extinguish all the fiery darts of the enemy as Paul had written.
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The reference to "sons of God" is only found in five places in the Old testament; three in Job (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) and twice in Genesis, both times in the sixth chapter (verses 2 & 4).
Since in Job, Satan was walking on the earth, doesn't this have to have happened before the fall? I mean if we believe it literally?
I know it's a stupid question. But why wasn't he slithering to and fro?
I think if this question is answered, the 'sons of God' might have another meaning.
Just a thought.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 7:18:59 AM
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The reference to "sons of God" is only found in five places in the Old testament; three in Job (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) and twice in Genesis, both times in the sixth chapter (verses 2 & 4).
Since in Job, Satan was walking on the earth, doesn't this have to have happened before the fall? I mean if we believe it literally?
I know it's a stupid question. But why wasn't he slithering to and fro?
I think if this question is answered, the 'sons of God' might have another meaning.
Just a thought.
Remember, Satan was a created angel. He can take just about any form he wants to. He can even be transformed into an angel of light. So it should be no surprise if he was "walking to and fro in the earth."
The expression "sons of God" meaning faithful men is pure speculation, and nonsense. Scripture plainly depicts the "sons of god" as angels in Job. There is nothing in Genesis six to make us think it was anything else. The concept came from men who refuse to believe angels could possibly cohabit with women. So they invented their own meaning for the term.
The scriptures show that the difference between men and angels is that men are trapped in a garment of flesh; while angels are clothed in garments of oikeeteerion. But scripture also shows us that faithful men will at some point, be also clothed upon from on high, with garments of oikeeteerion. Angels, already clothed in oikeeteetion, are created to be ministering spirits, serving those who inherit salvation.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 7:22:39 AM
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Greetings! It is inferred from the text by many that the serpent was somehow invaded by the devil for this event. Therefore, God pronounces upon the snake line who was used as a tool of the devil in deceiving the lady that they will have no legs any longer. For scientists say that there are sockets for these legs and that snakes have 'evolutionarily' changed from the original form. Regarding the Dragon, the devil God pronounces upon him that he will strike the heel of Christ, but He will crush his head. This is fulfilled in revelation when the Dragon and the angels that were found with his folly were divulged of their okeeteerion into tartarus state (the chains of darkness that Paul speaks of) where thrown out of there places in the 'higher' heavenly realms in banishment to earth. Woe to the earth is written because the devil is very angry and begins to persecute the Church of God unto Martyrdoms as written regarding how the Dragon pursues the Woman and, because of his anger, many events were issued by Christ Jesus in Prophecy over earth history as written in revelation regarding the seal Judgments (decisions) of God.
The devil is banished here, but Christ gave Believers Power through The Holy Spirit to extinguish all the fiery darts of the enemy as Paul had written.
Good analysis. It should be remembered also, that Satan can be transformed into an angel of light, to beguile the faithful.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 8:52:59 AM
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He can take just about any form he wants to.
Isn't this just myth? All we know for certain that he was a snake and is an angel of light.
What other forms has he taken in scripture?
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 8:58:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: It is inferred from the text by many that the serpent was somehow invaded by the devil for this event. Therefore, God pronounces upon the snake line who was used as a tool of the devil in deceiving the lady that they will have no legs any longer.
So the snake (not Satan) will have his head bruised and will bruise the heel of Christ?
Where is there any consequence for Satan for his participation?
The Pharisees are a brood of vipers because they are possessed by the devil? Or because they lied like snakes? It clearly says that Satan is the Father of lies, so they are a brood of vipers because they lied like Satan.
The details don't seem to work out with a possessed snake.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 11:01:06 AM
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Where is there any consequence for Satan for his participation?
He has lost his authority (headship).
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 7/30/2008 12:50:29 PM
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He can take just about any form he wants to.
Isn't this just myth? All we know for certain that he was a snake and is an angel of light.
What other forms has he taken in scripture?
Does "mother-in-law" ring a bell? 
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/5/2008 8:47:15 PM
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"THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4.
It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)
This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God.
That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6.
The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oiketerion. This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body.
The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7.
The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6).
For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19.
Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood.
Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim.
This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted.
As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land."
In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18.
This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--
The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen. 50:20.
The destruction of the male line in Israel, Ex. 1:10, 15, &c. Cp. Ex. 2:5. Heb. 11:23.
The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14.
After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chron. 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chron. 21:4).
The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chron. 21:17; 22:1).
When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chron. 22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chron. 23:3).
Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa. 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136).
In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est. 3:6, 12, 13. Cp. 6:1).
Joseph's fear was worked on (Matt. 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deut. 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not".
Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2).
At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation.
At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him.
The two storms on the Lake were other attempts.
At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb. 10:12, 13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col. 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chron. 23:3).
The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race.
When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked.
When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked.
And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him.
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(*1) The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is genos, which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God.
(*2) In Hos. 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/6/2008 11:56:11 AM
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Does anybody even care that Jesus said angels don't procreate? I would think that His statement would end the question.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/6/2008 1:54:51 PM
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Does anybody even care that Jesus said angels don't procreate? He said they don't, not necessarily that it was impossible.
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Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attractive..... I find human women VERY attractive (esp my wife). Does that make me a fallen angel?
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/6/2008 2:08:08 PM
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Does anybody even care that Jesus said angels don't procreate? He said they don't, not necessarily that it was impossible.
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Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attractive..... I find human women VERY attractive (esp my wife). Does that make me a fallen angel?
I don't know if you are an angel, but you are definitely fallen. 
Seriously though, if angels don't procreate, it does not matter if it is impossible. They don't do it. That is final. It is not impossible for me to fly a plane, but I don't, and there are a number of restrictions that would prevent me from even entering a cockpit, much less taking off. No, it is not impossible, but I don't fly planes. End of story.
Angels do not procreate. We have that on the authority of Jesus. Therefore, possible or not, angels do not procreate.
BTW -- Don't bother coming back and saying that Jesus was talking about marriage. There is more than ample scripture that shows that, in God's eyes, the very first sexual encounter constitutes a legal union.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/6/2008 4:49:39 PM
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Don't whack me over the head now .... maybe just not with each other?....
as in angel begat angel.....
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/6/2008 7:12:11 PM
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Now, I suppose Angelo could marry Angela.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/7/2008 6:42:11 AM
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Seriously though, if angels don't procreate, it does not matter if it is impossible. They don't do it. That is final. It is not impossible for me to fly a plane, but I don't, and there are a number of restrictions that would prevent me from even entering a cockpit, much less taking off. No, it is not impossible, but I don't fly planes. End of story.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Mar 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Please note the qualifier "...in heaven." The fallen angels are not still in heaven, are they? They are in rebellion, so unless they are absolutely incable of mating, then it is possible that the angels no longer in heaven could take humans as mates.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/7/2008 12:39:43 PM
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It didn't happen. It is a spurious idea based only in fantasy. It has nothing to do with the theme of redemption which is the theme of the entire Bible. This fantasy has absolutely NO BEARING on our salvation or lives today.
However, the idea that godly people are drawn away from holiness by marriage to ungodly people is a theme that is repeated throughout scripture and is a very real problem for many, many believers today.
If you wish to continue in this fantasy, go right ahead. You have been told the truth. This conversation is wasting my time so I am leaving and will ignore all responses.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 6:13:34 AM
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Seriously though, if angels don't procreate, it does not matter if it is impossible. They don't do it. That is final. It is not impossible for me to fly a plane, but I don't, and there are a number of restrictions that would prevent me from even entering a cockpit, much less taking off. No, it is not impossible, but I don't fly planes. End of story.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Mar 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Please note the qualifier "...in heaven." The fallen angels are not still in heaven, are they? They are in rebellion, so unless they are absolutely incable of mating, then it is possible that the angels no longer in heaven could take humans as mates.
Fallen angels were not referred to as Children of God, but rather as demons and evil spirits.
Since Jesus didn't come offer them a shot at redemption:
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
The only dealing Jesus would have with demons was one of total condemnation. He brought God’s judgment upon them and freed demonized people from their power (Mark 1:27; Luke 8:2; 13:32; Acts 10:38).
Are half breed human angels covered at all in God's plan of redemption?
At what point do mixed "blood" human angel cross breeds become eligible, half, quarter, sixteenth fallen angel?
And since angels don't die like human beings, are the offspring of such unions immortal as well?
Angels are also spirit creatures that can take on form...to what extent do their offspring share that part of their parent's abilities?
Fallen angels/demons are just like regular angels EXCEPT that they are in rebellion against God.
Since God didn't intend for angels to procreate there is no reason to assume that He gave them the equipment (or desire) to do so.
It may be that, in assuming human form they might possess a facsimile of the equipment...but where would they get the "seed"?
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 7:12:49 AM
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My thought is that perhaps this was facilitated by them "possessing" the bodies of men, since it seems incredible to believe that they had the power to transform from spiritual entities to physical entities, in their own will. By this process, they very well could be said to have left their own natural estate.
The other thought that occurs to me, is the question of why God was angry with mankind, following the sinful actions of fallen angels? This to me indicates some form of collusion, such as men deliberately opening themselves to demonic activity, in the belief that this would give them supernatural powers. These powers would in actuality be the outworking of the demonic spirit, in themselves and their offspring.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 1:51:10 PM
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My thought is that perhaps this was facilitated by them "possessing" the bodies of men, since it seems incredible to believe that they had the power to transform from spiritual entities to physical entities, in their own will. By this process, they very well could be said to have left their own natural estate.
But the seed in that case would still be human, even though the people doing the reproducing might either or both be demon possessed.
They left their natural estate, which was the service of God to follow their own desires under the leadership of Satan.
That is the plainest and most likely reading of Jude 1:6.
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The other thought that occurs to me, is the question of why God was angry with mankind, following the sinful actions of fallen angels? This to me indicates some form of collusion, such as men deliberately opening themselves to demonic activity, in the belief that this would give them supernatural powers. These powers would in actuality be the outworking of the demonic spirit, in themselves and their offspring.
It doesn't say that God was angry with men as a result of the actions of fallen angels.
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Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)
He does not speak to the wickedness of the fallen angels (who, being spirit, would not be effected in the slightest by the flood), much less does it say that He was offended by all the little angel/human crossbreeds running around. Because there weren't any.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4)
It doesn't say these were half angels, but that they were mighty men of old, men of renown.
The Hebrew word for mighty men here is:
H1368 גּבּר גּבּור gibbôr
powerful; by implication warrior, tyrant: - champion, chief, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
and the one for men in "men of renown" is:
H582 אנושׁ 'ĕnôsh
man, mortal man, person, mankind
Notice no references to angels or half angels at all.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 3:27:57 PM
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The giants are only incidental to the story since they are simply said to be present in those days.
The fallen ones probably are a continuation from chap 5 or the godly line of Seth mixing with beautiful women from the ungodly line of Cain.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 7:19:48 PM
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This is a difficult subject to understand, and please be aware that I am in a state of uncertainty in regard to it. I am therefore mentally exploring different options.
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But the seed in that case would still be human, even though the people doing the reproducing might either or both be demon possessed.
I acknowledge that, however demon possession could enable man to "do mighty acts". The verse however, says that "there were giants on the earth in those days", implying that these were the offspring. As much as I hate to say it, it does imply something unnatural about the off-spring.
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It doesn't say that God was angry with men as a result of the actions of fallen angels.
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Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)
I acknowledge that the verses here do not deal with God's judgement on angels or "sons of God". Perhaps saying "God was angry" is a poor choice of words, however it is very clear from vs 6 & 7 that God's judgment came upon mankind. Now, verse 5 provides the why, so that there is a logical flow from verses 5 through to 7. However, in looking at the wider context, clearly there must be a linkage between the events spelled out in Chapter 6: 1-4, and the wickedness of man, seen by God, that is spelled out in verse 5.
I find it difficult to accept however, that in referring to the "sons of God", this is merely referring to the line of Seth intermarrying with the line of Cain. I refer back to drweeks post, which clearly sets out the normal meaning of the reference to "sons of God".
Matthew 22:30 perhaps does not negate the possibility that angels are capable of procreation, only that they do not marry. They are also very powerful created beings, with creative power, perhaps they are also capable of assuming a physical body, as opposed to merely the appearance of a physical body? Or perhaps they were capable of this act before being restrained in chains, awaiting their judgment?
So, we come back to the question of why God's judgment came upon man for their wickedness, and how this links with the actions of the "sons of God" taking wives of the daughters of men. I have seen a reference to ancient Jewish sources, that the judgment was related to men forming marriage contracts with men. Which has not happened again in history, until just recently. So, perhaps a picture emerges of a combination of demonic activity, spiritual apathy, and widespread immorality. "As in the days of Noah", "so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man".
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/8/2008 7:29:55 PM
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I would also note that hypothetical off-spring of angels who had assumed human form, and human women, would not be hybrid or half angel/half human. Rather, I would think that they would be fully human in form, and would inherit physical mortality.
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The Hebrew word for mighty men here is:
H1368 גּבּר גּבּור gibbôr
powerful; by implication warrior, tyrant: - champion, chief, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
and the one for men in "men of renown" is:
H582 אנושׁ 'ĕnôsh
man, mortal man, person, mankind
Notice no references to angels or half angels at all.
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RE: Nephilim: Some of the angels found human women attr... - 8/9/2008 1:56:20 AM
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This is a difficult subject to understand, and please be aware that I am in a state of uncertainty in regard to it. I am therefore mentally exploring different options.
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But the seed in that case would still be human, even though the people doing the reproducing might either or both be demon possessed.
I acknowledge that, however demon possession could enable man to "do mighty acts". The verse however, says that "there were giants on the earth in those days", implying that these were the offspring. As much as I hate to say it, it does imply something unnatural about the off-spring.
Actually the word translated Giant is H5303 נפל נפיל nephîyl nephil
properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant. (Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries)
In other words there were, in those days men who used either their great size, prowess or political position as leader of a clan or group to influence, intimidate and rule those around them. Lamech (Genesis 3:19-24) would be an example of a feller.
Feller is an archaic word meaning n. One who hews or knocks down. (Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English)
(In post #9 of this thread I cover this in more detail)
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It doesn't say that God was angry with men as a result of the actions of fallen angels.
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Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)
I acknowledge that the verses here do not deal with God's judgement on angels or "sons of God". Perhaps saying "God was angry" is a poor choice of words, however it is very clear from vs 6 & 7 that God's judgment came upon mankind. Now, verse 5 provides the why, so that there is a logical flow from verses 5 through to 7. However, in looking at the wider context, clearly there must be a linkage between the events spelled out in Chapter 6: 1-4, and the wickedness of man, seen by God, that is spelled out in verse 5.
I find it difficult to accept however, that in referring to the "sons of God", this is merely referring to the line of Seth intermarrying with the line of Cain. I refer back to drweeks post, which clearly sets out the normal meaning of the reference to "sons of God".
There are four verses in the Old Testament where the phrase sons of God is used:
(Genesis 6:2) that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
(Genesis 6:4) The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
(Job 1:6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 38:7) When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
The Sons of God are NOT fallen angels...it says in Job 1:6 and 2:1 that the Sons of God came to present themselves and Satan showed up as well....he wasn't considered part of the Sons of God. Nowhere are fallen angels referred to as Sons of God, they are ALWAYS referred to as demons or evil spirits.
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Matthew 22:30 perhaps does not negate the possibility that angels are capable of procreation, only that they do not marry. They are also very powerful created beings, with creative power, perhaps they are also capable of assuming a physical body, as opposed to merely the appearance of a physical body? Or perhaps they were capable of this act before being restrained in chains, awaiting their judgment?
Where does it say that angles have creative power of any sort what so ever? They can assume physical form, but that doesn't mean that they create a body.
I see no proof of this only speculation backed up by assumptions and none of either born out by scripture, linguistics or history.
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So, we come back to the question of why God's judgment came upon man for their wickedness, and how this links with the actions of the "sons of God" taking wives of the daughters of men. I have seen a reference to ancient Jewish sources, that the judgment was related to men forming marriage contracts with men. Which has not happened again in history, until just recently. So, perhaps a picture emerges of a combin | | |
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