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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 1:21:24 PM
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inthysite
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Again, the Pentagon notified the Senator at the last minute that the German visit would be considered political; A "title" for the visit the Senator did not wish.
Doesn't surprise me McCain has no problem with political visits to troops.
No, if you read the Pentagon's official response they said NObama was welcome to visit, he just couldn't bring all the media or campaign staff with him, only security and one other staff member.
When NObama found out he couldn't make it a big media event to bolster his image he decided it wasn't worth it to go, it didn't fit his agenda.
McCain on the other hand went to visit without all the media and political hype. He went because of his concerns for the military and the men and women who serve our country.
But to get back on the subject of the OP (sorry for hijacking this thread);
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It strikes me as being very sad that if a Republican had put that note in the wall he would have been cheered from the rafters. A Democrat does so and is condemned.
Actually I think any Christian that goes to pray at the Wall is in error. As you all know the Western Wall is all that is left of the temple which Jesus destroyed in spirit when He died on the cross, and which God destroyed almost 40 years later.
Placing a piece of paper in the wall amounts to idolatry, pure and simple. Doing it in front of the media is nothing short of hypocrisy. It was done for public view, as in Matt 6:5 which I quoted above.
As to the content of the prayer I stand by my assertion that the NObama camp knew, either because they were behind it or just out of common sense, they knew that it would end up in the public eye.
I would go as far as to say that the prayer was probably well thought out for that very purpose.
As has been mentioned various times in this thread and in others; NObama's political views do not stand up against the moral views of Scripture.
"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will"
NObama has repeatedly gone against what is right and just according to Scripture and if he truly wanted to be an instrument of God he would drastically change his political views.
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
(Mat 7:15-20 NASB)
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 1:21:53 PM
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jkdjr25
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Actually, as I've pointed out before, there are people who are using racism and race baiting again Obama. I also find it very disconcerting that a man's prayer, a pretty humble one at that, is being used against him.
Provide examples of main-stream racism and race-baiting. And Barry and humble do not belong in the same sentance. Is it humble to proclaim that when he is elected the seas will stop their rise? That he alone can bring peace to the planet? Was it humble what he did to get his seat in the Ill. senate? What is humble that he got a milllion dollar earmark for his wife's hospital and then proclaim he is a different kind of politicain? You are drinking the Barry kool-aide!
I am willing to bet his "prayer" was written by a press aide. Why didn't he have scripture as a prayer. Probably because he doesn't know any.
No. See I know this game better than anyone here. Anything I could bring up, like Ann Coulter or any number of so called "conservative" radio people using Obama's full name as a subtle fear tactic or certain posters using the phrase "uppity mullato" would automaticly be ignored. Because for some reason when republicans pull this nonsense it somehow doesn't count as being racist.
That little insult there at the end? Very Christian of you, I'm sure you must be the most righteous person to walk the earth since Christ himself. Congratulations on that.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 1:22:27 PM
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Oh, and just to be clear, if the roles were reversed and it was McCain who had done the exact same thing I would be saying the exact same thing about him.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 2:00:47 PM
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Regardless of the stereotypes that can be thrown around about conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats and the anecdotal evidence given to support them, one needs only to look at Obama himself to see if whether or not what he believes and what scripture says line up.
-Given 100% approval by NARAL for 2005, 2006 and 2007 (Jan 2008)
-Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
-Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
-Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
-Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007)
-Jesus Christ is not the only way to Heaven. (Mar 2008)
-Undecided on whether God used six literal days for Creation. (Apr 2008)
These are just a few of the anti-Christian beliefs he has promoted. Now, if a Christian wants to vote for Barack Obama, they are free to do so. Just don't use the Bible to support your decision or say that those that point out his error are in the wrong for doing so.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 2:14:27 PM
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Stephanos
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So using Sen Obama's full name is equal to racist fear mongering?
And again, Sen Obama, who supports gay marriage, abortion, ect. IS NOT following Christ, and his prayers, with his current heart, fall on deft ears. God's response would be quite similar to Saul/Paul. "why are you persecuting me!" If Sen Obama's prayer is a true prayer, then again, we WILL see him fight to end abortion PERIOD, we WILL see him call homosexuality out as the SIN that it is PERIOD. However I have no doubt that this prayer that was left, was intentionally left, intentionally "found" and "turned in". Just look how all of the Senators supporters are jumping to say "That was such a nice prayer".
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 3:02:55 PM
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It strikes me as being very sad that if a Republican had put that note in the wall he would have been cheered from the rafters. A Democrat does so and is condemned.
No rampant bigotry there at all. Ha ha, as usual, you nailed it. LOL.
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Considering the Pentagon asked him not to go because of how it would look I think he can be forgiven. Of course considering he's a democrat he's unworthy of any forgiveness because Jesus only cam for the good, self righteous republicans. And again! You've got their number for sure. 
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I also find it very disconcerting that a man's prayer, a pretty humble one at that, is being used against him. Is that even remotely Christ like? This is the repub stock in trade. Personal attacks. I don't know why they have to do this but it only makes him look better to most of us. If they hate him soooo much he must be doing something right.
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, the Pentagon notified the Senator at the last minute that the German visit would be considered political; A "title" for the visit the Senator did not wish. you would get better results just banging your head against the closest wall instead of trying to confuse them with the facts.
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As has been mentioned various times in this thread and in others; NObama's political views do not stand up against the moral views of Scripture. Plenty of Christians do not agree with this view though. And find me one man who in all of his views lines up perfectly with scripture. That should keep you busy for a while because one does not exist.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 3:04:33 PM
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That little insult there at the end? Very Christian of you, I'm sure you must be the most righteous person to walk the earth since Christ himself. Congratulations on that.
Barry attended a church whose pastor's messages were contrary to scripture. If he knew scripture he would have left that church. He attended only to increase his political stature and nothing else. Barry is the one who claims he can make the seas stop their rise. Stop drinking the Candy Man's kool-aid.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 3:12:46 PM
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I also find it very disconcerting that a man's prayer, a pretty humble one at that, is being used against him. Is that even remotely Christ like?
I find Obama's use of God to garner votes disgusting and highly offensive.... Nothing humble about his praye since his actions are in direct conflict with it and God's word/will... And it's very Christ like to point out folks who use the name of God for personal gain...
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 3:31:24 PM
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rcjames
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So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
Hey, Poo Poo bear, all he had to do was visit the troops as a gesture of gratitude without the cameras, speech writers, etc. But he refused if he could not score political points.
Many Senators have vistited the troops at that hospital and he could have done the same, but he showed his true colors (and those colors are not red, white, and blue).
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 5:15:02 PM
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I think I'll take the newspaper's account over yours -
The New York Times
But it's always nice to hear from the Republicans in the cheap seats, or as I like to call it: "The Peanut Gallery". (can you even follow the action from up there, or do you have to see it on instant replay?)
Well from your comment I can see why you would rather take the view of a biased liberal newspaper over what the Pentagon has stated.
The Times even reports that the Pentagon disagreed with NObama's statements about what happened;
"The Pentagon took issue with a statement by the campaign citing conversations with military officials as a reason for canceling the trip. The Pentagon said it never told Obama he could not visit Landstuhl, only that he could not do so with campaign staff and reporters there."
But hey, why believe the source of the statement. No it's much better to believe the biased media who takes the side of NObama who has twisted just about everything he does or says to fit his agenda and to make him look good.
Of course I'm just up here in the cheap seats, what do I know?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:05:08 PM
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FYI: My sole purpose in starting this thread was to see how quickly a simply written prayer by Obama would descend into a bout of partisan bickering and sniping by critics who so dislike the man that they react like Pavlovian dogs to any Obama election year controversy (be it real or imagined).
Yes, I am an Obama supporter - yet I admire John McCain for his long years of service to this country. I just happen to disagree with most of his politics.
However, had a private prayer by McCain or GW Bush or Hillary Clinton or anyone else in the public eye been published by the media I would have found it just as distasteful.
IMO, such a prayer is never appropriate for the intent of boosting newspaper sales.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:08:50 PM
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Obama's posters
Thanks. How do you know those weren't private Israeli citizens supporting Obama's visit?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:10:54 PM
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todd_t
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This was on Obama's schedule for weeks, he was informed of the Pentagon's decision that this was to be considered a political (rather than official) visit on Wednesday. So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
Plus, Obama did visit with US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Gee, his hatred for our armed service people is so overwhelming I wonder how he sleeps at night without grinding his teeth to bloody stubs?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:15:53 PM
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I am willing to bet his "prayer" was written by a press aide. Why didn't he have scripture as a prayer. Probably because he doesn't know any.
That's a crude and ugly statement, colliefan. What right do you have to judge any person's faith in the Lord?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:27:49 PM
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How did his prayer end? In the name of Jesus?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 6:55:55 PM
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I am willing to bet his "prayer" was written by a press aide. Why didn't he have scripture as a prayer. Probably because he doesn't know any.
That's a crude and ugly statement, colliefan. What right do you have to judge any person's faith in the Lord?
His ungodly actions.... If somene says they are are not punching you in the face while doing so what would you believe? Their words? Or what they are doing?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/26/2008 7:39:46 PM
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That's a crude and ugly statement, colliefan. What right do you have to judge any person's faith in the Lord?
A man's faith is born out by his deeds. The Candy Man has none other than those that reflect his liberal/Marxist agenda. If Barry had any understanding of OT Scipture and Jewish history he would have included scripture such as the Great Shema.
Deut 6:4 - 9 (HCSB) 4“Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.£ £ 5Love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.£ 6These words that I am giving you today are to be in your heart.£ 7Repeat them to your children.£ Talk about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8Bind them as a sign on your hand and let them be a symbol£ on your forehead.£ £ 9Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
He attended his church only out of politcal convenience.
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RE: Obama's Prayer - 7/26/2008 7:56:00 PM
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Imagine if they actually obeyed God instead of invoking hollow meaningless prayers...
Better yet, imagine if those who claim to be "Christian" actually obeyed God instead of invoking hollow meaningless prayers.
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RE: Obama's Prayer - 7/26/2008 7:59:44 PM
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Imagine if they actually obeyed God instead of invoking hollow meaningless prayers...
Better yet, imagine if those who claim to be "Christian" actually obeyed God instead of invoking hollow meaningless prayers.
Why do you think Obama's invokes hollow meaningless prayers? Do you think people are that gullible that they will believe his words over his deeds?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:24:53 AM
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This was on Obama's schedule for weeks, he was informed of the Pentagon's decision that this was to be considered a political (rather than official) visit on Wednesday.
So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
rcjames seems to want to involve the troops in politics more than Obama.
When Obama could not make it a political stump with the press and cameras as he showed his concern for the injured; he turned his back on the troops.
This one will come back to bite him.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 3:39:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
This was on Obama's schedule for weeks, he was informed of the Pentagon's decision that this was to be considered a political (rather than official) visit on Wednesday.
So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
rcjames seems to want to involve the troops in politics more than Obama.
When Obama could not make it a political stump with the press and cameras as he showed his concern for the injured; he turned his back on the troops.
This one will come back to bite him.
Thanks
RC
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Yeah, Obama hates troops so much......(How much does he hate them?)
Obama hates troops soooooooo much, that he supported the new GI bill that rewarded soldiers with increased education benefits, that McCain voted against, even though he gets almost $60K a year in tax free military benefits himself.
Obama hates troops soooooo much, that he wants to get them out of Iraq. John McCain will keep them there 100 years. That's how much he loves soldiers.
Obama hates troops soooooo much, that he's made several unannounced, unpublicized visits to Walter Reed Army Hospital, that didn't cost the taxpayers a dime, the latest being in June. (Google and find out for yourself preacher. Whatever link I give you, you'll just discredit as being a left wing liberal blog).
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 4:13:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
This was on Obama's schedule for weeks, he was informed of the Pentagon's decision that this was to be considered a political (rather than official) visit on Wednesday.
So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
rcjames seems to want to involve the troops in politics more than Obama.
When Obama could not make it a political stump with the press and cameras as he showed his concern for the injured; he turned his back on the troops.
This one will come back to bite him.
Thanks
RC
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06/28/08 Barack Obama Quietly Visits Wounded War Veterans
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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama stopped by Walter Reed Army Medical Center Saturday to visit wounded war veterans, a group that he has said endures substandard care under the Bush administration.
Transcript Excerpt From “Face the Nation”
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CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds-not the taxpayers-to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign.
Or bite McCain.
You might consider, the more Repugs use the troops for political purposes means more troops vote Democratic; They can read newspapers too.
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