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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/11/2008 1:53:21 PM
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Butterflytearz
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Hi everyone
I chose my faith in Jesus Christ because while we were yet sinners he died in our place. God fullfilled the covenant he made with Abraham, Issac , and Jacob in Jesus Christ.
We cannot fullfill the law and be sinless by another other means than recieving in faith the blood sacrifice made on our behalf by God himself.
I tried to be good on my own,, I still do try,,, but if not for the mercy seat I would die in my sins.
Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of my faith,, for my faith is only in God.
John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
< Message edited by Butterflytearz -- 8/11/2008 2:02:46 PM >
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/11/2008 2:45:36 PM
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TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: abraxas
1. Why did you choose your belief?
I believe the way I do partially because I was raised in a Catholic home. Since I was young, though, a lot of my views and beliefs have been changed or reinforced by what I've seen, other "Christians" and other religious groups that I've encountered. I still choose to hold to some of my Catholic beliefs from my upbringing, but they've definitely been modified to fit my experiences.
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ORIGINAL: abraxas
2. What reasons do you imagine a person with a different belief (i.e. one you consider to be wrong) chose his or her belief?
I can think of a number of reasons... cultural upbringing, calling from God, desire to find things that were not or are not present in other faiths, and in some cases, ignorance and ego.
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/12/2008 3:56:40 PM
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frankman
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ORIGINAL: abraxas
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1. Why did you choose your belief?
2. What reasons do you imagine a person with a different belief (i.e. one you consider to be wrong) chose his or her belief?
thanks,
abraxas
1= Even thouugh I was brought up in a Christian home, this is not my main reason why I chose Christianity over the many cult religions who were also having a hay-day in our area. Even though some of those other religions presented a good social gospel, I decided to reject them and choose Christianity instead because I needed forgiveness for my sins. My conscience told me I was a sinner and needed to be forgiven because of the many horrible things I was doing. Even though other religions have great admirable leaders, only the leader of the Christian faith, who is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, ever claimed to be capable of being able to forgive my sins and wash my slate as white as snow again. Only Christ ever died for my sins. Non of the other religious leaders ever died for my sins. Therefore only Christ can redeem us.
2= Others who choose other religious paths than the Christ path are being deceived by the great deceiver himself, the devil. The first ever different anti-God of the Bible religious belief to appear on this earth was the old-old ancient New Age Movement. This movement teaches that all is One, all is God, humanity is God. This movement began when the serpent deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden in Gen.3;5 by lieing to her telling her 'For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Eve believed the serpent`s lie, and false religious groups have fallen for the same lie ever since.
 Only the truth found in Jesus can set you free.
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/12/2008 5:55:43 PM
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OneJohn410
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ORIGINAL: abraxas
These questions are for those of you who believe that belief is a matter of choice. I'll say up front that I don't believe that it is, but I'm still exploring the relationship between will and belief. (Surely there is some relationship?) I wasn't sure what folder this should be in, but since I mainly have beliefs regarding God in mind I hope it's okay here.
1. Why did you choose your belief?
2. What reasons do you imagine a person with a different belief (i.e. one you consider to be wrong) chose his or her belief?
thanks,
abraxas
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ORIGINAL: OneJohn410
Sure, I've got some thoughts. When were you were going to consider you had enough representative samples of replies to conclude your research?
Just waiting for you, OneJohn410. Sorry, I guess I thought the thread had started to fade.
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Were you going to answer your own questions for the rest of us?
I don't believe that our beliefs are simply a matter of choice, like choosing to steal or not, to lie or tell the truth, to order lasagne or linguini.
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What do you call a belief held without choice? Is it a non-intentional compulsion?
I call it a belief. 'non-intentional compulsion' doesn't sound far off.
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You said you have beliefs about God, and that you do not consider beliefs to be held by choice? Are you excluding those from your study, or was this to try to back up your own beliefs?
I definitely don't exlude my own beliefs from my "study." The beliefs I have about God are not the ones I set out to have. If belief were a matter of choice I would have different beliefs. I have a feeling lots of people go through a phase like that, where they desire a certain belief, maybe due to social pressure, a need for things to make sense, whatever.
That some attain that belief and some don't is something I wonder about. Perhaps for some belief really is a matter of choice. But if it is, and the criteria for that choice is anything besides "I am persuaded of its truthfulness" (e.g. is it due to social/family pressures?), I wonder how the mind can leave itself alone, knowing that it chose its belief for some reason other than that it's true?
And if the mind chose to believe because it was convinced of truthfulness, then, what, did it choose to believe what it already believed was true? Once the mind is persuaded of truthfulness, the 'choice' has already been made. Yes, this is involuntary.
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By the time I saw this thread, you were already getting nit-picky about others answers and hadn't answered your questions yourself. That makes for a very odd poll/study to take part in.
When someone says, "I chose to believe because I chose to believe" or "I chose to believe because it's true!" then I will point out the circularity, or the tautology, of their statement. If someone said, "I chose to like chocolate because it tastes great", can you see how maybe it isn't quite accurate to say they "chose" to like chocolate. If they say it tastes great, it sounds like they already like it, there's no choice in the matter. If that's nit-picking, well, then I guess some nit-picking is needed.
Thanks for getting back to me.
1. Why did I choose my belief? That's not a difficult question, but to be fair, you've got the wording all confusing in there. Sure, it's personal, and certainly it is the belief I have chosen, but Christianity is not 'mine'. I did not write it up from my own imagination. I didn't walk down the isle and select it over lots of others. It's got a track record going for itself and has been around for quite some time. It's one I have accepted as God's truth for His creation. That's why I place my belief in the Christian faith.
2. What reasons do you imagine a person with a different belief (i.e. one you consider to be wrong) chose his or her belief?
I've already commented on the 'choosing my belief'. There's a scene in the movie The Mummy where a guy wearing the religious symbols of seven or eight faiths tries to appease the Mummy from killing him. Whenever I see questions like this, I think about that scene. That's maybe strange, but it's a mental image of what I consider someone trying to use their religion to their own benefit, and be ready to change at a moments notice to something else. Certainly personal benefit would be one reason for 'choosing my belief'. Isn't that out of a REM song- Choosing My Religion? What's this about what I consider to be wrong snuck in there? I think every major faith makes statements about what is believed, and what may happen to those not of the faith. I can consider someone else's faith right or wrong, yet God's already done all the big deciding about things. That doesn't mean I walk around whatever, whatever... but at the same time I'm not out to declare salvation and damnation on anyone.
OneJohn410
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For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. -Romans 15:4 (NIV)
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/12/2008 6:02:54 PM
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delete123
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God gave me a measure of belief/faith, therefore I did not choose it, but it was given unto me
CRH
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/12/2008 6:04:44 PM
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GroupW
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ORIGINAL: crh737
God gave me a measure of belief/faith, therefore I did not choose it, but it was given unto me
CRH
My faith chose me more than I chose it. Many times I've tried to unchoose it. It won't let go.
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/12/2008 6:18:53 PM
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eaglelady11
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at the risk of having this sound like my testimony, i felt as though something was missing inside. so I went to this big church in Orlando about 17 years ago and walked out. I couldn't take big churches. Then a couple of days later, a flyer came in the mail with a Ken and Barbie doll on the cover and a big red 'X' on it and the caption that said "Get Real." I opened it up and there was scripture and notes about the sunday sermon and it was held in an elementary school gymnasium. So I went and like the message, thought it was free therapy. I kept going and the pastor asked if i would like to get baptized but that meant commitment. He said, but you keep coming back so isn't that commitment? So I got baptized, accepted Jesus Christ and it's been great. I mean, this belief system, to put it quite bluntly , works for me. I eventually did go into recovery where there was more space to work things out and get sober and rethink some false beliefs. I am still working out my salvation with fear and trembling. But god loves me and I am forgiven.
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RE: Why did you choose your belief? - 8/13/2008 3:50:03 AM
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DreadPirateRandy
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ORIGINAL: lebouski
the reason i chose to be an atheist is because i see logic.
You based logic in an unproven theory? Yeah, hooray for logic.
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Everyone in my family is very religious.
Being "religious" has nothing to do with Christianity. If I were of a religion, and practiced oftentimes what I believed, I would be considered "religious".
A relationship with Christ is more important than getting "religion".
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God can't be real. and i know in my heart there can't be a god.
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
You believe in "logic", but you can't believe in a divine deity with intelligence to craft an universe? It isn't any less logical to believe in God than to believe something came from nothing.
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Based off much logical evidence.
Evidence is fact, dude.
A theory cannot be a fact when it remains a possibility. If you search textbooks, you'll see it stated that "in the beginning, so-and-so probably happened".
Probably is a long shot from being evidence.
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religion just doesn't fit.
At least you're onto something there.
Religion won't do anything for you. Jesus didn't ask us to become religious, He asked us to accept, rejoice, and allow freedom to come through a sincere faith in His word.
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There's to much evidence going against it.
There's much evidence against your belief. Therefore, by using your own theory, is it not true as well?
Again, evidence that only remains a theory cannot become factual for the origin of life.
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I just can't see how people live their lives believing in something so delusional.
Belief in God is not delusional. Delusion is creating illusory ideas. What is so illusory about the concept of God?
Furthermore, whats more logical about the concept of something deriving from nothing?
The answer to both questions is nothing.
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