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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/20/2008 4:32:13 PM
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DaveW
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However, it would be most unwise and naive to believe, or promote the belief, that inanimate objects cannot be used and manipulated by evil spirits or Satan for their own ends.
FWIW, I am not doing this. There is just far too much assumption that demons control this or that. If demons were allowed to do half what people claim, even a Christian would not be safe. We are safe ONLY because of the death and resurrection of Jesus. He bought us and now protects us. Read that first chapter of Job again, and then the exchange between Peter and Jesus at the last supper where Jesus tells him he will deny him 3 times and that satan has demanded permission to "sift" him "like wheat."
Jesus's denial of permission is our only protection.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/20/2008 5:14:44 PM
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When a new to our church family first began attending, after one of their daughters became born again, she, during a time of prayer and counsel after a preaching session, ended up on the floor, on her back, her eyes wide open, just the whites of her eyeballs showing, speaking in a male loud voice, 'satan help me'., her usual voice was female and soft, I knew her from high school,...
It was witnessed by all who came back into the room after the break, who were taking their seats, - several grown men were required to hold her down because all of her arms and legs were flailing and it took about 6 or 7 men to stop this.
They began to command the spirits to leave her, and all those in the room prayed for the rest of the session, witness to this going on.
The church that I was attending did not believe in demonic posession of christians-nor did I, nor did the girl this was happening to,( their doctrinal stance) nor did the men who were casting them out of her, and this girl had recently been born again and received the Lord, prior to this thing going on.
She along with other family members had previously been involved in practicing witchcraft, and some of them still were.
this was at a church meeting for youth mostly, which was usually pretty quiet and dull comparitively.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/20/2008 5:24:16 PM
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/21/2008 6:57:32 AM
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When a new to our church family first began attending, after one of their daughters became born again, she, during a time of prayer and counsel after a preaching session, ended up on the floor, on her back, her eyes wide open, just the whites of her eyeballs showing, speaking in a male loud voice, 'satan help me'., her usual voice was female and soft, I knew her from high school,...
They began to command the spirits to leave her, and all those in the room prayed for the rest of the session, witness to this going on.
The church that I was attending did not believe in demonic posession of christians-nor did I, nor did the girl this was happening to,( their doctrinal stance) nor did the men who were casting them out of her, and this girl had recently been born again and received the Lord, prior to this thing going on. Interesting how "doctrines" go out the window when confronted with reality......
Which is why it is dangerous to make a doctrine without watertight scriptural support.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/21/2008 10:02:40 AM
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However, it would be most unwise and naive to believe, or promote the belief, that inanimate objects cannot be used and manipulated by evil spirits or Satan for their own ends.
FWIW, I am not doing this. There is just far too much assumption that demons control this or that. If demons were allowed to do half what people claim, even a Christian would not be safe. We are safe ONLY because of the death and resurrection of Jesus. He bought us and now protects us. Read that first chapter of Job again, and then the exchange between Peter and Jesus at the last supper where Jesus tells him he will deny him 3 times and that satan has demanded permission to "sift" him "like wheat."
Jesus's denial of permission is our only protection.
Dave,
What did I say in the above that you disagree with? I am having a hard time understanding your point because I have not argued against what you are saying.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/21/2008 11:10:10 AM
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Whether intentional or not, to me you seem to be promoting the idea that the only way the demonic can interact with the material world is by temptations placed in the mind.
I do not agree with that viewpoint at all.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 8:48:47 AM
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I know that christians can be demon posses as for objects. I am not really sure because the devil was a real angel of God at one time and has the powers as other angels in heaven right now. He is still under God and still has do what God tells him too. I don't think that God would allow them to make a object come to live just so they could us it to hurt people. I watch a show called touched by an angel and sometimes in that show the angels can make things come out of no where to help people but that is not making them come a live. I do know though that as a christain I am safe and will be be posseson at any time.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 10:32:30 AM
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state all you want your own interpretations, but when experience trumps an interpretation of what the Bible says or does not say, we're in danger of being extremely foolish.
Pretty blunt, I think. Experience trumps nothing in the bible. That is why the bible tells us that in the end the elect would be deceived if that was possible.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say that experience trumps the Bible. Our interpretation, traditions, rituals, pet beliefs, doctrines, et cetera -- they may be faulty. The Bible is the ultimate authority. I've pm'd you so as to take this out of the thread.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 11:02:02 AM
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state all you want your own interpretations, but when experience trumps an interpretation of what the Bible says or does not say, we're in danger of being extremely foolish.
Pretty blunt, I think. Experience trumps nothing in the bible. That is why the bible tells us that in the end the elect would be deceived if that was possible.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say that experience trumps the Bible. Our interpretation, traditions, rituals, pet beliefs, doctrines, et cetera -- they may be faulty. The Bible is the ultimate authority. I've pm'd you so as to take this out of the thread.
Aight! I see that I was not as succinct as I should have been. Many times experiences are incorrectly interpreted just as easily as the bible has been by numerous people. Your posts were coming across as if your personal experiences verify everything you are saying, and that can be misleading. I apologize for my response. I should have given more weight to interpretation within the sentence rather than stating what I did. I understand where you are coming from at this point. Again, I did not mean to misconstrue or falsely accuse. Have a blessed day!
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 11:03:55 AM
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I am sorry you took it that way. That is only a part of things. I just do not subscribe to the idea that a clown figurine suddenly becomes infested with demons in a Christian home. How about in a witch's home?
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 11:12:40 AM
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Aight! I see that I was not as succinct as I should have been. Many times experiences are incorrectly interpreted just as easily as the bible has been by numerous people. Your posts were coming across as if your personal experiences verify everything you are saying, and that can be misleading. I apologize for my response. I should have given more weight to interpretation within the sentence rather than stating what I did. I understand where you are coming from at this point. Again, I did not mean to misconstrue or falsely accuse. Have a blessed day!
Thankyou. This means a lot to me.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 12:09:46 PM
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I am sorry you took it that way. That is only a part of things. I just do not subscribe to the idea that a clown figurine suddenly becomes infested with demons in a Christian home. How about in a witch's home? A lot more probable. So your answer to the OP's question is a YES on the part about inanimate objects. Nothing was said about WHERE said object was....
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 12:26:24 PM
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Again. "possessed" is a bad translation. It should be "demonized."
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 12:45:23 PM
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demons can be attached to an object only if the object was dedicated to a demon, so supposed you bought a medal thinking it was safe without checking its background, and brung it into your home, the demon then comes in and stas there until the object is removed......same thing with dirty movies, anything dealing with the occult TV shows, anything that is not of God-Jesus gives the demons the legal ground to harras nand torment the individual even Christians.........and deliverance is for Christians and not non-believers anyway....so even if a christian brings something into their home through ignorance, they need to renounce it and ask Jesus to forgive them for bringing such an object into there home......as well as people, there are many people who have demons as well, and if you bring the wrong person into your home you have allowed that person and its demons a welcome mat......and that is why Jesus came to earth because of what happened in the old testament, all of the acts of witch-craft and sorcery and all the sins of the flesh brings people into bondage to demons.........even though we are Christians we do not war against flesh and blood, but of unseen things that happen in the spirit realm........look at the storm the disciples went through when Jesus was there sleeping, they called out to him, what type of storm was that, was it demons coming after them or was it the enemy raising holy **** because they were with Jesus, and their faith was being tested.....that is what happens to every christian if God allows it, he knows who is strong and he knows who is weak.........and listen to what Jesus said, he said can you not pray, every storm we go through Jesus expects us to pray they cried out to Jesus and said save us.........I know for a fact that the christian life is not easy especially when you have no one praying with you on a constant basis, no one to confide in either because most people do not want to get into reality that there are demons roaming this earth just like the enemy does......and so many people want to back away from that issue, the devil and his nasty followers hate Christians and the hate the flesh, look at Job he wants to fight christians flesh for flesh, he is evil and will stop at nothing until all turn away from Jesus because he wants us to believe there is no help for us at all, even Christians.........
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 1:53:30 PM
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I cracked a tooth while eating popcorn and watching Ghost Whisperer one night. I thought that dentist bill was demonic!
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/22/2008 6:08:54 PM
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I think it's pretty clear in the Bible that a truly born again believer can't be possesed by a demon. They, we, can be tempted, but not possesed. The many posts that I have read give much scripture evidence for this view. Also, there was talk about all the problems that believers have & this is true, but if we would put our complete trust & faith in Christ, He will bring us through anything. The Bible says we will suffer & have problems. But it also says Jesus is all we need. I think too many people don't let the Holy Spirit lead them & they try to do things on their own. We need to get out of the way & let Him lead! God bless.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian or an inanimate object? - 7/23/2008 12:34:23 PM
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demons can be attached to an object only if the object was dedicated to a demon, WHat is your basis for this statement? Chapter and verse?
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/23/2008 3:24:33 PM
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To anyone who disputes that demons can possess, influence, or move an object at all, I have two questions:
1. Have you ever seen stuff float in the air or talked to eye witnesses who have, as a result of demonic activity? Disbelieve all you like, and state all you want your own interpretations, but when experience trumps an interpretation of what the Bible says or does not say, we're in danger of being extremely foolish.
I have talked to eye witnesses who had been skeptics. They've seen objects floating around the room. They've also seen the demons commanded to put the objects back down. And these are normal sane people who, prior to some of this, were not ignorant or overly knowledgeable of these situations.
2. If the object is not possessed or a demon would not pick up an object and make it move around, how do you explain this happening?
Semperfi, I think this is the problem we are having here. Most of us, I hope that it is safe to say, have not experienced this, nor do we know people who have. So we go on our own experiences, and limit the possibilities by doing so. I don't think we should be ruling anything out without absolute knowledge to back up our statements. Hopefully I did not come across as knowing all about everything.
Sometimes it is hard to see past what we know and see. So if we don't know it, or see it, we tend to think it is not true. Again though, this is just my humble opinion.
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RE: Can a demon posess a Christian an inanimate object? - 7/23/2008 4:46:34 PM
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I don't think the issue is so much what have we experienced, but what is our explanation for what we have experienced. I have witnessed demonic activity - things I can't explain. I do not deny that demons are very real - and I don't think anyone here is either. The question is - do demons posess inanimate objects? Or do they manipulate them? Or something else.
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