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armydude -> RE: ordination (7/22/2008 5:44:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: armydude

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

But "Lone Rangers" were not the norm in the New Testament Church and should not be the norm at the present.
That is true, but huge denominations controlling the local church were not the norm then, nor should they be the norm now.

But they are the norm, sadly enough.


I knew we had been in agreement too much lately[:D]

The New Testament Chruchex were accountable to a great many folks out side of their won congregation (Paul, Timothy, Titus) and including the Council in Jerusalem. It is a system of checks and balances that was set up in Scripture for us to abide by today.

Thanks
RC
Sorry... It's just a personal thing for me after seeing the denominational headquarters of a church that I attended overstep their boundaries (that they had drawn up) over and over again. Accountability is good. Control is not. There's a fine line there.

I have to take off a bit, so I'll be back ASAP.



professir -> RE: ordination (7/22/2008 6:18:25 PM)

I have experienced both ends of this discussion. Having been ordained in a denomonation and served for over 18 years, left that work over leadership issues, I began to work with one of the main stream denomonations with the intent of securing a position as a pastor for one of the thousands of small congragations. I was told that not only was my ordination not reconized (private 2 year seminary dedication to the first denomonation) but my 18 years of experience was "not any better then a plumber" because I didnt attend a name seminary. To be ordained, I would have needed to work for over 6 years, take 14 courses, sit under the tutalge of a mentor for 18 months, seek the approval of 9 committees, dedicate 25 hours a week to the local church and then...THEN maybe I would be acceptable. No guarantees mind you. (Sorry if I sound hurt, but I am). The irony, is there are many unstaffed churches within 100 miles of my home.

I gave up, and returned to my former church as a member, while I seek God's guitance back to full time ministy. I have the heart, the soul, the experience and the talents to be a pastor, just not the opportunity.

Ray



armydude -> RE: ordination (7/22/2008 6:37:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: professir

I have experienced both ends of this discussion. Having been ordained in a denomonation and served for over 18 years, left that work over leadership issues, I began to work with one of the main stream denomonations with the intent of securing a position as a pastor for one of the thousands of small congragations. I was told that not only was my ordination not reconized (private 2 year seminary dedication to the first denomonation) but my 18 years of experience was "not any better then a plumber" because I didnt attend a name seminary. To be ordained, I would have needed to work for over 6 years, take 14 courses, sit under the tutalge of a mentor for 18 months, seek the approval of 9 committees, dedicate 25 hours a week to the local church and then...THEN maybe I would be acceptable. No guarantees mind you. (Sorry if I sound hurt, but I am). The irony, is there are many unstaffed churches within 100 miles of my home.

I gave up, and returned to my former church as a member, while I seek God's guitance back to full time ministy. I have the heart, the soul, the experience and the talents to be a pastor, just not the opportunity.

Ray
And that's a shame. It shows me that if these denominations would stop the idolatry (putting more emphasis on a seminary degree than the calling of God is idolatry) this problem wouldn't exist.
As long as it does, my dislike of denominational Christianity will continue.



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