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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

So no one should try?

And what about fostering?

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ORIGINAL: theo_book
In fact they are proccessing housing foreclosures at more rapid rates as they gain in experience, dumping even more children into the streets and parks. And they do not even provide police safety for the families.

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ORIGINAL: Leon_Figg3

Where is here?

It may help you gain a better understanding of the issue if you were to investigate and find out about the fostering, and adoption laws where you are at, not to mention your state's departmentof Children and family services. there are a number of reason why children, in the "system", are sent out of state. I have a cousin who grew up in Arizona who had to go through the "system" during a difficult time in her life because she became too much for her family to handle. She had gone through a number of foster and group homes that didn'yt seem to be able to help her. She eventually was sent out of state where she ended in a home where she was able to get some help.

Now, speaking as a former foster parent and an adoptive parent let me tell you that there is a lot to consider before you undertake the task of becoming a foster parent. You have requirments and hoops that you have to go through, and agree to just to be licensed. Aside from your background being investigated, you basically sacrifice a great deal of your time (more so than a natural parent) and even some beliefs because the child is basically a ward of the court and the state, and their interests overrule yours. Then there are the kids themselves some of whom have been in the "system" long enough to know how to play the "system" in the hope of getting back to their natural parents. Then there's the money and Medicare and Social Security. Then there are the natural parents, and the "system" you have to deal with when it comes time for visits. Then there's the relationships between the foster children and your children (if you have any).

Being an adoptive parent is a little better. However, if you have a child with special needs you and that child, that individual remains under court supervision indeffinately.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

You folks seem to have drifted off in left field.

The primary difference betweeen the current concern about the unborn as contrasted to those in poverty is that there is not currently a court ruling that allows us to kill the poor when we choose to. If there were, presumably there would be equal concern over that - or at least one would hope so.

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

I don't understand how we can let little children, elderly and disabled suffer either.

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I agree, Jack. However, I do see a correlation, but it's not being dealt with specifically...and it does apply to the OP. As for why we should be so concerned with the killing of unborn babies...as that becomes more and more acceptable and palatable, it will be easier to say who does and who does not live and die. The gate is then wide open! So, it's not totally inconceivable that the court system could allow for the killing of anyone that is inconvenient or unprofitable to society...like the poor among us.

Sounds insane now, but one would have said the same about abortion a hundred years ago. We have many proponents of "euthanasia" already.

So, if you care about the poor, the elderly, the handicapped, the orphaned...you'd better care a whole lot about what's going on in this country with the unborn! Because that looks like the first domino.

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ORIGINAL: Sideways

We are better off then many nations, but our poorest poor do not have food to eat, basic shelter, medical care. A reality check here, please.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Is that really true though? A lot of concern, time and money (from Christians) goes to those considered poor in the U.S.

And yet the poorest poor here live like kings compared to the truly poor of other nations. Our poorest poor usually have several televisions, IPods, cell phones, XBOX360's, cars with expensive rims, latest jeans and kicks (gym shoes), etc..

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ORIGINAL: theo_book
In fact they are proccessing housing foreclosures at more rapid rates as they gain in experience, dumping even more children into the streets and parks. And they do not even provide police safety for the families.

Wait.. you're going off in a tangent. The bulk of foreclosures are for people that should have never been given a mortgage in the first place. That is the fault of banks but moreso on those buying houses that are way beyond their budget.

That's akin to buying a $100K car and then losing it after a few months of not making any payments on it. Then having to walk or take public transportation and having the media say, "look how cruel the auto industry is! This poor guy has to walk to work now!"

I guess Florida is not part of the U.S. where Section-8 housing is readily available, along with WIC/food stamps, etc..

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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn

Hmm. This is a serious question Earthless. What country do you live in

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and what is your definition of "poorest" poor?

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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn

What you listed as examples are without a doubt expensive and a poor person couldn't afford them, therefor, your poor isn't... well poor.

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ORIGINAL: theo_book
In fact they are proccessing housing foreclosures at more rapid rates as they gain in experience, dumping even more children into the streets and parks. And they do not even provide police safety for the families.

Wait.. you're going off in a tangent. The bulk of foreclosures are for people that should have never been given a mortgage in the first place. That is the fault of banks but moreso on those buying houses that are way beyond their budget.

That's akin to buying a $100K car and then losing it after a few months of not making any payments on it. Then having to walk or take public transportation and having the media say, "look how cruel the auto industry is! This poor guy has to walk to work now!"

I guess Florida is not part of the U.S. where Section-8 housing is readily available, along with WIC/food stamps, etc..

Yeh! SHAME on those kids for letting their parents make such bad judgment calls.

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

I know of whom Earthless speaks. These are the people who live in falling down shacks and have a fancy car parked out in front with the biggest woofers and expensive sound systems, who stand in line for food stamps and use the Lone Star Card (we're both in Texas) that they just pulled out of their designer jeans. They're all over the place in my city, and in my poorer days I was pretty darn resentful that they could buy whatever groceries they wanted thanks to taxpayers and I was scraping together change for ramen noodles because I made too much to get government help.

There are truly destitute people in this country, but there are many more claiming to be poor who simply aren't.

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ORIGINAL: StephK

I have worked with the local trainer for foster parents and many people would volunteer but the intrusion of the state into their personal lives was more than they would or could do. I have also worked in several group homes and most kids there were not up for adoption because the state hates to cut the parental ties, even though that would be the best solution for the child. A lot of people don't realize that a lot of these foster kids are very street wise and have no problem making accusations to get what they want. I know of several foster families that were put through the ringer over abuse allegations that were not true. That kind of ordeal spreads through the community making other people who are willing to open their homes and lives to these kids get cold feet.

The problem comes down to the fact that the family has broken down to the point that parents are not there for their children and children not there for their parents when they get older. It's not a rich vs poor issue either. It is a sin issue at heart. God has a plan that works, it's called mothers and fathers, grandparents and extended families. When times got tough families were the safety net and took care of their own. If someone lost their home then a family member would let them stay with them until the other person got back on their feet. People have abdicated the family role to the government and look what has happened. The people who easily aborted and abandoned their own children will be the same people who will not want to deal with their aging parents. We are already seeing that with sending the elderly to nursing homes for their final days because no one wants to bother with doing what used to be common place. As the boomers hit retirement age the issue of the costs of taking care of the elderly will be a big one. It's not going to be pretty.

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ORIGINAL: dawgfan42

I was wondering something. As Christians we are fervent against abortion and more concerned toward the unborn. But I was looking at this one avatar that caught my attention. One in six children in the U.S. live in poverty. Meaning they do not have a place to live or enough food to eat. So I asked my fiance why are we more worried about the unborn than we are about children who really need a place to live and food?