RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a Christian or not?
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/16/2008 12:46:31 AM
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bob97
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Amen LG...
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/18/2008 3:06:31 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a Christian or not?
To me, there are varying degrees of belief. If one truly and completely believed and practiced the Ten, then yes, it would be enough.
To believe, in the Hebraic way (and the Bible is a Hebraic book by Hebrew authors with a Hebrew Savior) is to accept and do faithfully. One cannot do that except through Messiah. It never was done in any way other than through Messiah. It could not be done any other way.
So what is the first Word? quote:
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. The second: quote:
You shall have no other gods So from the beginning, there was one G-d and there are no other gods. Who is that G-d? There are either three G-ds or there is one G-d. Throughout the ancient Scriptures, many wrote and spoke of the G-d who saves, yet the Bible says there is only one way to be saved, and that is through Messiah.
All of the Scriptures, from the beginning, pointed to Messiah. He is the whole purpose of all Scripture from long before the Exodus and the giving of Torah. Hebrews 11: by faith, Abel; by faith Enoch; by faith Noah, by faith, Abraham; by faith, Sarah; by faith Isaac; by faith, Jacob; by faith, Joseph; THEN it's by faith, Moses, who was entrusted with the Torah of G-d. Faith in whom? Faith in the coming Messiah, the One promised to the first people, to bruise the heel of the ultimate, all-time heel.
So, in my opinion, we can't get past the first two of the Ten, in full belief, meaning to faithfully do the commands, without Messiah. Therefore, to believe means one is a believer in the fullest sense of the word: see Gal 3:9 quote:
So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. and 2 Cor 6:15 quote:
Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/19/2008 5:29:14 PM
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This refers to love towards man. How do we show love towards God.
By loving our neighbor as ourself but this love hinges on our loving God with all our heart, all our soul and all our mind. Without the first you can't have the rest.
Bob
Yup... For the most part those who follow the first tablet, follow the second... If one truly honors God by obey the first of the commmandements, our hearts in a place where we treat our neighbor in a loving manner by no stealing from him, not chasing after his wife, not bearing false witness against him, honoring our parents, not killing him....
God always first and above all... We honor kings and man... We are to fear God...
John
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/21/2008 4:13:00 PM
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/22/2008 11:15:31 AM
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/22/2008 11:34:48 AM
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/24/2008 3:26:41 PM
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Many people who are'nt even Christians live by the Ten Commandments without knowing they are. To be a Christian you need to accept Christ.
Some people would argue that the first commandment "thou shalt have no other gods before me" means that you are a follower of Christ, and to me it depends how you follow it.
Hundreds of religons around the world have similar beliefs, but that does not mean they follow Christ and the Lord. 
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/26/2008 9:47:23 PM
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I believe The Ten Commandments Have Been Abolished. Thank God.
The link shows what i think has been mentioned before.The ten were replace by the two main commandments, with the exception of the fourth.
Romans 7:7 describes the 10th commandment as being part of the abolished law. Take a look at the verse.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/26/2008 10:02:07 PM
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Many people who are'nt even Christians live by the Ten Commandments without knowing they are. If, by "Christians," you intend followers of Messiah, I strongly disagree. Who among us understands who G-d is, in His fullness, without falling His feet in reverence and obedience? One cannot obey the Words without this, because obedience is not just something we do; it involves the heart, the desires, and full commitment.
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Some people would argue that the first commandment "thou shalt have no other gods before me" means that you are a follower of Christ, and to me it depends how you follow it.
Well, while that is the second Word, as far as I am concerned, again, I strongly disagree. The Words either mean what the Author intended them to mean, or they mean nothing at all. The Author intended full fellowship and obedience in the first and second, as well as the other eight Words. If one is not fully committed to follow them with the whole heart, they are not following at all.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/26/2008 11:20:12 PM
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No they are not abolished, we still conform to the ten words because they are written in our hearts and Paul tells us when we love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and love others as ourself, we have fulfilled the law and thus obeyed the commandments.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/27/2008 9:43:40 PM
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Thous shalt not covet - is the tenth commandment you would agree?
According to Romans 7:7 - Thou shalt not covet is part of the law. Agree?
According to Roman 7 as a whole the law has been abolished. Therefore if the law has been abolished, and the tenth commandment was part of that law. It is clear to me that the commandments are abolish.
Why do you want to live under these laws? Jesus freed us from these laws when he fulfilled the law.
Having said that however, the ten were encompassed by two main commandments, which basically stand in place of the ten. These two do not encompass the fourth commandment.
As the fourth commandment is not included, we therefore do not have to keep the sabbath day holy anymore.
if i may ask a question. How many persons out there who believe the 10 commandments are still in place keep the sabbath holy, and follow the requirements for keeping the sabbath holy?
To answer the op question, to follow the commandments alone does not make one a Christian.
I think someone said earlier you must have accepted Jesus Christ, and a follower of him.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/27/2008 11:30:05 PM
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I see you are looking for an argument. We've seen them all before. I keep the Sabbath. Now, what do you wish to write, remembering that this thread is not about keeping Torah but about whether or not believing only on the Ten Commandments is enough?
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/28/2008 3:55:23 PM
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I see you are looking for an argument.
Forgive me if i appeared argumentive 
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/28/2008 5:27:19 PM
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Hey visus it's OK...I think we're all a little bit argumentative or else we wouldn't be here. We just have to be argumentative with unpretentious nature. 
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/28/2008 9:20:44 PM
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Oh, by the way, if you truly want to discuss your subject in a friendly way, you can go to http://forums.crosswalk.com/Messianic_Fellowship-Sivan_5768/m_3491149/mpage_4/tm.htm#3648979. Now, some like to argue their biblical understandings, and that is truly acceptable in this thread: http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_302550/mpage_166/tm.htm#3657570.
I rarely go to the latter thread, because I don't like argument. However, I enjoy discussion, and I would be glad to answer you in the first one.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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