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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/26/2008 9:24:31 AM
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cwb
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Like in the days of Noah and in the days of Lot so shall it be. No children were spared when the big rain came and no children were spared when Lot and his family had to flee. Only Lot's children and Noah's children were saved. The word does day when a believer is married to an unbeliever the unbeliever will be holy because of the believer so that the children be holy. It seems that only believers children will be raptured. ????
Welcome onto the boards there WidowAnna!
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/29/2008 7:34:50 AM
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SwordLady
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ORIGINAL: WidowAnna
Like in the days of Noah and in the days of Lot so shall it be. No children were spared when the big rain came and no children were spared when Lot and his family had to flee. Only Lot's children and Noah's children were saved. The word does day when a believer is married to an unbeliever the unbeliever will be holy because of the believer so that the children be holy. It seems that only believers children will be raptured. ????
I see what you are trying to say
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/29/2008 11:36:21 AM
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When Daniel explained the image shown to King Neb in a dream, what Daniel was seeing was Babylon morph into Medo-Persia, morph into Greece - morph into Rome. And Lucifer/Satan is the ruler over these world-dominating empires. Satan/Lucifer will be the force behind the toes of clay and iron or the Last world-ruling empire to arise in the End-times. This will be a resurrection of Rome - or the final morph.
Daniel 7 describes 4 beasts rising out of the sea, this is telling the same story. Each beast represents Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greco-Macedonia, and the final beast - Rome. But in Daniel 7:3 is the word "diverse" which actually means that the one MORPHS into the next. Just as the image morphs, or changes from gold, to silver, to brass, to iron, to iron and clay. What iron and clay represents is concrete - a final end time empire of concrete.
Revelation talks about Babylon falling - showing that Babylon IS continued down to the end. And Babylon is ruled by Satan. This whole world is under the sway of Satan, and this whole world is ruled his way. Hence the need for Christ to return to rule His way.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/29/2008 1:18:56 PM
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Lapidoth
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I'll be political here: NO COMMENT. lol.
I too, find no biblical teaching of any kind of a rapture.
Resurrection, yes! Rapture, no!
For the child going to heaven.
Example:
David's first born by Bathsheba.
"He can't come to me, but I can go to him."
Romans seven --- have to study in context and
possibly a OT understanding.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/30/2008 7:05:41 AM
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WidowAnna
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David knew that his child went to be with God because he served God and knew that his child was protected because of his faith and that he would be with him one day in eternity. The argument is not about whether a child goed to heaven or not but whether he is going to be raptured. In the old testament Israel had to kill heathen nations with all their stock that included the children. Whether the children went to heaven I scripturaly cannot say. The Old Testament is the shadow type like Joseph, Moses, Josua etc was a shadow type of Jesus. So unless I can be scriptural convinced I see it that children of heathen people will not join us in the rapture. I do not say they will not go to heaven that I do not know.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/30/2008 7:08:46 AM
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WidowAnna
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What happended to Enoch and Elijah were they not raptured? Also a shadow type as what is to happen in the new testament
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/30/2008 8:21:43 AM
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SwordLady
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ORIGINAL: ae10u
When Daniel explained the image shown to King Neb in a dream, what Daniel was seeing was Babylon morph into Medo-Persia, morph into Greece - morph into Rome. And Lucifer/Satan is the ruler over these world-dominating empires. Satan/Lucifer will be the force behind the toes of clay and iron or the Last world-ruling empire to arise in the End-times. This will be a resurrection of Rome - or the final morph.
Daniel 7 describes 4 beasts rising out of the sea, this is telling the same story. Each beast represents Babylon, Medo-Persia, Gregg-Macedonia, and the final beast - Rome. But in Daniel 7:3 is the word "diverse" which actually means that the one MORPHS into the next. Just as the image morphs, or changes from gold, to silver, to brass, to iron, to iron and clay. What iron and clay represents is concrete - a final end time empire of concrete.
Revelation talks about Babylon falling - showing that Babylon IS continued down to the end. And Babylon is ruled by Satan. This whole world is under the sway of Satan, and this whole world is ruled his way. Hence the need for Christ to return to rule His way.
Where is it written which beast is which Babylon etc? How do you know this? Please provide me with the scripture. I would like to look it up.
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...because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie...
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/30/2008 12:47:57 PM
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Lapidoth
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What happended to Enoch and Elijah were they not raptured? Also a shadow type as what is to happen in the new testament
I know these are used as pre-trib examples.
But it only says that Enoch and Elijah were taken alive.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Thess. says we will rise to meet Him in the air.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If we JUST read the scriptures for what they say
and not what we read INTO them, it reads much differently.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 10/1/2008 1:52:18 AM
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SwordLady
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: WidowAnna
What happended to Enoch and Elijah were they not raptured? Also a shadow type as what is to happen in the new testament
I know these are used as pre-trib examples.
But it only says that Enoch and Elijah were taken alive.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Thess. says we will rise to meet Him in the air.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If we JUST read the scriptures for what they say
and not what we read INTO them, it reads much differently.
Where were they taken to then? Why would it then say that they were taken alive?
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2 Thes 2:1-12
...because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie...
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