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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/22/2008 9:27:57 PM
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ie....Bush!!!
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We've had "Christians" in office and look at jobs they've done as President....(
i.e. Jimmy Carter
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How true that is....
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 3:21:48 AM
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sooo, it is Biblically correct that through the course of this war thousands of innocent Iraqis have died becuz we are in Iraq?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 3:55:47 AM
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Doe's Bo have to claim anything? I mean he can say he is not religious, etc. right? You don't have to be a Christian to be president. Or a Moslem or Hindu?
And if he is secretly Moslem, does it matter as far as the office of Prez. is concerned?
If your reading any history, you know that alot has been done in Christ's name.
At this point he is just about as much "christian"as alot of americans. 92% claim it.
Why not claim it and capture those 92% of americans votes.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 9:11:37 AM
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And if he is secretly Moslem, does it matter as far as the office of Prez. is concerned?
The whole dealy is about Obama's honesty, he claims (posted on his website) that he was never raised Muslim, attended muslim schools, etc. etc.
I think honesty is a very important thing to consider in a president.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 9:42:52 AM
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And if he is secretly Moslem, does it matter as far as the office of Prez. is concerned?
The whole dealy is about Obama's honesty, he claims (posted on his website) that he was never raised Muslim, attended muslim schools, etc. etc.
I think honesty is a very important thing to consider in a president.
Thsnks
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I agree. Honesty is important, which is why I expect Christians to check out unfounded and misrepresented articles before they get posted to the internet.
You're a smart guy and I good Christian. I expect better.
Edit: As mentioned earlier, the email getting passed around on this was vetted by Snopes.com and found to be an error. ABC news investigated the original report and found it to be an innacurate rendition of an interview. The newspaper that originally reported that story has pulled it from their website and no longer stands behind it. The original interview is available online and is of very poor sound quality. Malik's answers can be heard, but the question he's responding to can not.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 2:47:25 PM
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I agree. Honesty is important, which is why I expect Christians to check out unfounded and misrepresented articles before they get posted to the internet.
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Edit: As mentioned earlier, the email getting passed around on this was vetted by Snopes.com and found to be an error. ABC news investigated the original report and found it to be an innacurate rendition of an interview. The newspaper that originally reported that story has pulled it from their website and no longer stands behind it. The original interview is available online and is of very poor sound quality. Malik's answers can beheard, but the question he's responding to can not.
The ABC investigation and the Snoops.com did not look into the basis of this thread; the Brother claiming that when he met Obama when Obama was in his 20's that he was Muslin reared and based.
Remember this was just before he got into politics and redone his image.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 2:53:14 PM
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Search again. I was able to locate all the information, including the reference to the original interview.
Edit: Click on your link again - the link you cite has been substantially edited for accuracy:
From the revised article:
"Apparently the Jerusalem's Post's sloppy paraphrase of a radio interview with Barack Obama's half-brother created the false impression that he had explicitly confirmed the "Muslim background" of the likely Democratic Presidential nominee. The newly uncovered recording presents more ambiguous evidence. "
The "ambiguous evidence" cited by Isreali Insider refers to this section of the article:
"I don't think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don't think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States."
The context clearly indicates that "the connection" being asked about had something to do with Barack Obama's relationship to things Muslim -- although without hearing the question, it is uncertain what exactly is the connect. "
On the face of it, it would seem the the connection Malik refers to his Maliks' connection to Islam.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 3:04:11 PM
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GroupW
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Remember this was just before he got into politics and redone his image.
The link you supplied references an interview in which the half brother talks about Obama as a presidential candidate. Not likely done before he was ever on the political scene.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/23/2008 11:23:39 PM
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Doe's Bo have to claim anything?
Nope...
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I mean he can say he is not religious, etc. right? You don't have to be a Christian to be president. Or a Moslem or Hindu?
He could, but he didn't and that's part his problem...
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And if he is secretly Moslem, does it matter as far as the office of Prez. is concerned?
For the most part no, cept for lie...
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If your reading any history, you know that alot has been done in Christ's name.
Yes, like attempting to garner votes with His name... Woe to those folks...
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At this point he is just about as much "christian"as alot of americans. 92% claim it.
92%... I highly doubt that pulled out of the air number... I doubt 92% of the people on this forum are Christians...
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Why not claim it and capture those 92% of americans votes.
Probably because that number doesn't mean anything...
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 1:26:21 AM
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cept for lie..
Lie?
It seems people can't agree on what it means to be raised Muslim (or Jew, or Christian)
If I attended a Muslim school for a couple years as a child, does that mean I was raised Muslim?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 10:04:28 AM
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cept for lie..
Lie?
It seems people can't agree on what it means to be raised Muslim (or Jew, or Christian)
If I attended a Muslim school for a couple years as a child, does that mean I was raised Muslim?
I'm having a hard time seeing any lies too, though the original article linked to in the OP (which has been retracted) comes pretty close.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 11:03:34 AM
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Search again. I was able to locate all the information, including the reference to the original interview.
Edit: Click on your link again - the link you cite has been substantially edited for accuracy:
From the revised article:
"Apparently the Jerusalem's Post's sloppy paraphrase of a radio interview with Barack Obama's half-brother created the false impression that he had explicitly confirmed the "Muslim background" of the likely Democratic Presidential nominee. The newly uncovered recording presents more ambiguous evidence. "
The "ambiguous evidence" cited by Isreali Insider refers to this section of the article:
"I don't think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don't think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States."
The context clearly indicates that "the connection" being asked about had something to do with Barack Obama's relationship to things Muslim -- although without hearing the question, it is uncertain what exactly is the connect. "
On the face of it, it would seem the the connection Malik refers to his Maliks' connection to Islam.
It is nice to see that the Obama campaign efforet to smear and deny any detrimental remarks (true or false) about him or his wife is working so well.
He has put a lot of money and effort into the "Spin machine", so it is nice to get some return; even if the return is bogus.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 11:20:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: GroupW
Search again. I was able to locate all the information, including the reference to the original interview.
Edit: Click on your link again - the link you cite has been substantially edited for accuracy:
From the revised article:
"Apparently the Jerusalem's Post's sloppy paraphrase of a radio interview with Barack Obama's half-brother created the false impression that he had explicitly confirmed the "Muslim background" of the likely Democratic Presidential nominee. The newly uncovered recording presents more ambiguous evidence. "
The "ambiguous evidence" cited by Isreali Insider refers to this section of the article:
"I don't think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don't think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States."
The context clearly indicates that "the connection" being asked about had something to do with Barack Obama's relationship to things Muslim -- although without hearing the question, it is uncertain what exactly is the connect. "
On the face of it, it would seem the the connection Malik refers to his Maliks' connection to Islam.
It is nice to see that the Obama campaign efforet to smear and deny any detrimental remarks (true or false) about him or his wife is working so well.
He has put a lot of money and effort into the "Spin machine", so it is nice to get some return; even if the return is bogus.
Thanks
RC
It's good to see the fine art of innuendo alive and well.
The implications of what you just said are that it doesn't matter to you if information is true or false as long as it means Obama isn't elected President. Why shouldn't he fight back against lies about him and his wife? If he did nothing then people, like yourself, would make the claim that we was a wimp and that a "real man" would step up and defend his wife.
Much of the attacks using the "he's secretly a Muslim" line are based entirely on the use of code languge. It's use of sentences like "he claims to be a Christian" or "he denies being a Muslim". I'd like to think that the majority of Americans can see through this very clear and extremely slimey kind of politics. There's no good answer to something phrased that way because it can always be spun against you. That's the entire reason it's phrased the way that it is.
Shame on the people who keep trying to push the "he's a muslim" lie. Doesn't God, very, very clearly say something about bearing false witness?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 11:35:33 AM
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The original article was wrong and it was pulled. A secondary article relying on the original was substantially rewritten and a correction published. I sincerely doubt the Obama "spin machine" has that kind of power over the Jewish press. Far more likely that the editors realized it was wrong and fixed it.
The information by the way isn't from the "spin machine" - it's from the original interview & original sources that the erroneous article relied on. The story itself was not consistent with its own sources. It was a fairly easy article to debunk. I could recognize it as wrong and did my own fact checking successfully in under 5 minutes.
The article was simply inaccurate and was pulled. Not only was the original pulled, the article referring to the original was completely rewritten for accuracy and published as a correction.
Generally speaking, articles that are true get fact checked. If they pass muster, they get republished and referred to in other articles. They only get pulled when there is insufficient proof to withstand scrutiny or when they are simply wrong.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 11:56:18 AM
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Shame on the people who keep trying to push the "he's a muslim" lie. Doesn't God, very, very clearly say something about bearing false witness?
It's not false witness when it's an honest mistake or hastiness.
Nonetheless, it's an avoidable mistake and easy enough to steer clear. As Christians, I agree with RC that we should abide by a higher standard of truth. That applies to both to the things Obama says as a self-described Christian, as well as to the things we say about him. We should all be more careful than we are - all of us, including me, you, RC, and everyone else.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 12:11:08 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370588,00.html
"""By many measures, Americans are strongly religious: 92 percent believe in God, 74 percent believe in life after death and 63 percent say their respective scriptures are the word of God."""
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At this point he is just about as much "christian"as alot of americans. 92% claim it.
92%... I highly doubt that pulled out of the air number... I doubt 92% of the people on this forum are Christians...
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Why not claim it and capture those 92% of americans votes.
Probably because that number doesn't mean anything...
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 12:24:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: GroupW
Search again. I was able to locate all the information, including the reference to the original interview.
Edit: Click on your link again - the link you cite has been substantially edited for accuracy:
From the revised article:
"Apparently the Jerusalem's Post's sloppy paraphrase of a radio interview with Barack Obama's half-brother created the false impression that he had explicitly confirmed the "Muslim background" of the likely Democratic Presidential nominee. The newly uncovered recording presents more ambiguous evidence. "
The "ambiguous evidence" cited by Isreali Insider refers to this section of the article:
"I don't think Israel should worry too much, you know, about the connection. Because, I am a Muslim myself, and I don't think that my being a Muslim has got anything to do with my brother being the President of the United States."
The context clearly indicates that "the connection" being asked about had something to do with Barack Obama's relationship to things Muslim -- although without hearing the question, it is uncertain what exactly is the connect. "
On the face of it, it would seem the the connection Malik refers to his Maliks' connection to Islam.
It is nice to see that the Obama campaign efforet to smear and deny any detrimental remarks (true or false) about him or his wife is working so well.
He has put a lot of money and effort into the "Spin machine", so it is nice to get some return; even if the return is bogus.
Thanks
RC
Way to hang in there, rc. Don't let them confuse you with those evil facts. 
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/24/2008 12:42:48 PM
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If you're going to be wrong, at least be wrong with some courage and gusto!
Sorry, RC. Just funnin' on you.
Actually, that was always my theory in college & grad school on essay tests. You can be wrong, but if you do so with style, substance, and determination you can still pull off a decent grade.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/25/2008 10:05:33 PM
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Who the heck really knows what he is? It is a great mystery.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/26/2008 2:42:16 AM
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cept for lie..
Lie?
It seems people can't agree on what it means to be raised Muslim (or Jew, or Christian)
If I attended a Muslim school for a couple years as a child, does that mean I was raised Muslim?
You need to read the post.... The person was speaking of a hypothetical...
And if he is secretly Moslem, does it matter as far as the office of Prez. is concerned?
John
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/26/2008 3:01:12 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370588,00.html
"""By many measures, Americans are strongly religious: 92 percent believe in God, 74 percent believe in life after death and 63 percent say their respective scriptures are the word of God."""
HA! 92% claim God, yet only 74% believe in life after death...Too funny...
Some interesting quips from that link....
Among the more startling numbers in the survey, conducted last year by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life: 57 percent of evangelical church attenders said they believe many religions can lead to eternal life, in conflict with traditional evangelical teaching.
More than half of evangelical church attenders claim salvation by some other means than Christ???
It gets worse...
In all, 70 percent of Americans with a religious affiliation shared that view, and 68 percent said there is more than one true way to interpret the teachings of their own religion.
Nearly across the board, the majority of religious Americans believe many religions can lead to eternal life: mainline Protestants (83 percent), members of historic black Protestant churches (59 percent), Roman Catholics (79 percent), Jews (82 percent) and Muslims (56 percent).
You start looking at the findings of the survey you see that really most people believe in God that's not found in the bible...
John
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/26/2008 2:47:00 PM
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Who the heck really knows what he is? It is a great mystery.
See post 144.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/26/2008 3:00:00 PM
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GroupW
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Who the heck really knows what he is? It is a great mystery.
To some perhaps. Not to me. I see no reason why I shouldn't take him at his word.
From the speech in question from 2006:
"You need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away - because you are human and need an ally in this difficult journey.
...I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
A recognition of sin, repentance, and a commitment to follow Christ.
I don't think God expects more than that, at least not immediately. I think Christians can be mistaken and still be Christians. I think Christians can commit grievous error (aka David the adulterer/murder) and still be persons of God's own heart.
We certainly need to be making progress toward being Christlike, to be sure.
Fortunately, we don't have to be perfect immediately to be Christian.
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