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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 9:44:50 PM
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They are the ones who need support and not be coerced into getting an abortion.
Yes they are... So what does that mean in regards to topic? Does lack of support give them cause to murder the child?
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Well I was talking about aborted babies in particular, however abortionists are lost too, and God cares about them also.
If they died lost God isn't given them much thought...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 10:13:15 PM
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At least I am honest about it... Btw... I don't mourn dead assassins either, nor those who ran death camps....
Ok, I do respect your oppinion.
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Yes they are... So what does that mean in regards to topic? Does lack of support give them cause to murder the child?
Maybe I am off-topic and would be better suited for the Is Abortion Murder thread instead.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 10:16:35 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
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You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
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I'm just glad that Jesus doesn't handle it that way.
You think Jesus would ignore the truth and paint a picture that covers the truth? We are not talking about a running nose here... If this were about the evil going on in the Sudan would it suffice to simply say some bad people are acting out and should be stopped?
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I think Jesus would show far more compassion that what you seem to be capable of comprehending.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 10:38:36 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
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You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
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I'm just glad that Jesus doesn't handle it that way.
You think Jesus would ignore the truth and paint a picture that covers the truth? We are not talking about a running nose here... If this were about the evil going on in the Sudan would it suffice to simply say some bad people are acting out and should be stopped?
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I think Jesus would show far more compassion that what you seem to be capable of comprehending.
What is compassion in this context? Jesus spoke of those causing the little ones to stumble having a millstone around their neck and tossed into the sea.... I comprehend that in this debate the person having an abortion is always victim, it's not like other murder, it's a heart issue, most people aren't ok with it, we should understand more, if the church did more it wouldn't happen, it's the fault of Christians, it's bad, but the people involved are not, don't talk about what happens to the baby because it's hurtful to some people(cept for the baby...)
Btw.... Just what are you debating?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 9:52:16 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 10:28:59 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
Something to check out. While it is "horribly depraved" (there is not even a strong enough word!), I can definitely see this being embraced by society...and don't think it will be long coming.
After all, if one starts playing around with "when is it a person?" and "at what point does life begin?" one can definitely slide all the way to this point.
I'd like to know if this is indeed his stance and if, maybe, there is anything in Islam that points toward this.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 10:47:44 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
Here's a fun little article that may help answer your question:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/TerenceJeffrey/2008/01/09/obama_is_the_most_pro-abortion_candidate_ever
There's probably lots more in the Current Events folder.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 10:55:25 AM
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I'd like to know if this is indeed his stance and if, maybe, there is anything in Islam that points toward this.
Okay, to answer my own question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_abortion
Sounds like the Senator from Illinois is being a good Muslim...but ever willing to twist the language of Islam.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 1:24:29 PM
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Sure the red herring item applied...at the time, you were introducing something into the thread that wasn't germane to the thread, deliberately invoked to distract the true meaning of the debate. By definition, that's called a "red herring."
I also grieve at the senseless slaughter of unborn children, John...I also grieve that there are professing Christians out there (like yourself) who will not mourn the passing of an abortion provider. The last time I checked, both the unborn child and the abortion provider are human beings made in God's image, correct? Granted, my sympathies mainly reside with the baby...but I am saddened that a human being refused to accept God's love and has been removed from this earth--many by violent pro-lifers who blow up abortion clinics. Like Steve Taylor said in the song I posted earlier (which you so blithely ignored), "The ends don't justify the means anytime." Seems to me that they do in your little world.
Plus, you can roll your eyes all you like about being called out for your hypocritical, uneven lack of compassion for women who abort their babies and the men who kill them...God grieves for them all. If you're truly His, so should you. 
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/18/2008 10:26:35 PM
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Sure the red herring item applied...at the time, you were introducing something into the thread that wasn't germane to the thread, deliberately invoked to distract the true meaning of the debate. By definition, that's called a "red herring."
In your opinion... I don't share that opinion... Whatever you call a "red herring" was simply a response to what you posted..
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I also grieve at the senseless slaughter of unborn children, John..
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.I also grieve that there are professing Christians out there (like yourself) who will not mourn the passing of an abortion provider.
Abortion provider? That what you call someone who profits from the senseless slaughter of unborn children?
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The last time I checked, both the unborn child and the abortion provider are human beings made in God's image, correct?
Abortion provider? That really doesn't speak to what they do... As being made in His image... What does that have to do with the topic?
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Granted, my sympathies mainly reside with the baby...
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but I am saddened that a human being refused to accept God's love and has been removed from this earth--many by violent pro-lifers who blow up abortion clinics.
No doubt God numbers our days...
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Like Steve Taylor said in the song I posted earlier (which you so blithely ignored), "The ends don't justify the means anytime." Seems to me that they do in your little world.
Only in your imagination...
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Plus, you can roll your eyes all you like about being called out for your hypocritical, uneven lack of compassion for women who abort their babies and the men who kill them...God grieves for them all. If you're truly His, so should you.
Are you sure He grieves for them?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 7:48:35 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
He has since repented.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 10:40:54 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
He has since repented.
He still supports the murder of the unborn, so has not since repented...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 10:41:58 AM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
He has since repented.
He still supports the murder of the unborn, so has not since repented...
John
My comment was on late-term abortions. I never said that he changed his stance overall.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 11:28:43 AM
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He has since repented.
I don't know that I'd call it repentance as much as he's trying to appear more "mainstream".
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 11:29:19 AM
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He has since repented.
I don't know that I'd call it repentance as much as he's trying to appear more "mainstream".
Could quite possibly be.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 12:38:36 PM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
He has since repented.
He still supports the murder of the unborn, so has not since repented...
John
My comment was on late-term abortions. I never said that he changed his stance overall.
I believe his overall stance on issue makes any talk of repenting on his part a joke...
John
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 1:02:11 PM
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Scripture may appear to be silent on when a life is a human being. But that is a product of our society's view more than a Biblical viewpoint. Here is what the PoV was from teachings from the Apostles on this.
The Didache
Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/19/2008 1:17:34 PM
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Several months ago, I was reading some abortion articles and very distressed over the whole thing. I got up to stretch my legs and pray about it when I heard a voice. I have been trying to understand what I was to do with this. I think it's time I pass along what I heard.
He said, "I AM the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, I was dead but am alive forevermore. I knit you together in your mother's womb and they destroy what I have created. If they will not repent for these lives they have taken then their life will be demanded of them. They will have no place with Me."
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/21/2008 11:12:38 PM
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Someone told me something that i'll do my best to repeat it (but i dont know if this is true).. that Obama is in favor of full term abortion, which means the baby is actually born but is turned face down and then this person showed me the doctor puts the palm of his hand on the baby) and it is Ok to abort the baby because the baby has not lived life yet (since he is face down). I have never heard of this - has anyone heard of this? it almost sounds like partial birth abortion, but it seems that this is a fully birthed baby, head and all and has left the mom's body totally.
Can anyone tell me if you know this to be true? If thats the case, that is totally horribly depraved.
What's the point the poin anyways? The point of "normal" abortion is so the woman does'nt have to go through labor or pregnancy. If she's going to havr it and does'nt want the baby, at least give it up for adoption.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/22/2008 1:06:58 PM
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I'm getting a "Next Unread Subscription" on this thread. Anyone else getting one too?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/22/2008 1:17:37 PM
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I'm getting a "Next Unread Subscription" on this thread. Anyone else getting one too?
Some posts were removed and some times that causes the thread to act strange... I believe you can refresh and clear out Crosswalk apart from doing so in regards to your entire browser...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/22/2008 3:00:39 PM
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I cleaned up the thread, it may take a few posts for it to straighten out.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/22/2008 4:40:15 PM
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Your right. It says (still) that someone deleted a post.
I tried refreshing. That didn't work.
I tried relogging. Didn't work either.
I tried unsubscribing and re-subscribing. Didn't work.
I'll drop the subscription for a day or so.
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