RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and why?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/2/2008 10:27:00 PM
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Mr.musicman
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i only listin to christian music. because so much secular/mainstream music has occultic satinistic messages in them. and the fact that so many mainstream artist are in the occult.and if u belivie 'music is just music' watch the movie "they sold their souls for rock and roll."
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/3/2008 2:47:31 AM
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When I first committed my life to God in early May, I chose not to listen to secular music. But I've been listening to secular music lately...and I don't feel convicted of it. Do I listen to it more than Christian music? No. But I don't think it's a bad thing if you do listen to secular music more then you do with Christian music.
But you SHOULDN'T listen to secular music with swearing, talking about sex, drinking, etc. Yes, there's a lot of bands out there that will use swear words. But there are other bands out there that don't. And I try to listen to secular music without all those negative things.
Because once you hear something, it will rub off of you. I mean, when I used to listen to Slipknot and all those dark music and stuff, the swear words they did rubbed off on me. And whenever I got mad, I swore like a sailor. Not even joking.
Music is my LIFE. It's been since the age of 3. I would literally sit in my room for hours when I was a little girl and just listen to music and everything! But music can be really powerful with words. So I try to listen to uplifting music most of the time.
Take Casting Crowns for instance. They're a great band, but some of their songs are really depressing. Also with Mark Schultz.
But anyways, I got off the topic. But I kind of prefer Christian music more than secular music. But I don't think secular music is bad unless it's talking about how sex is so good, drinking, etc etc.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 12:04:41 AM
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Kyrillos
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Music is my LIFE.
Don't you think this could be a problem, whether we're talking about "secular" music or not? I know it's hyperbole, but from other parts of your post it seems that you're easily influenced by the music you listen to. I do not think it is so for everyone. In addition to secular music (which I already posted about earlier in this thread), I listen to a lot of Muslim and Jewish music. I feel absolutely no compulsion to abandon my faith as a result, no matter how beautiful their songs are.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 1:16:16 AM
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beachcooky
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Don't you think this could be a problem, whether we're talking about "secular" music or not? I know it's hyperbole, but from other parts of your post it seems that you're easily influenced by the music you listen to. I do not think it is so for everyone. In addition to secular music (which I already posted about earlier in this thread), I listen to a lot of Muslim and Jewish music. I feel absolutely no compulsion to abandon my faith as a result, no matter how beautiful their songs are.
Of course. Anyone can be easily influenced by music. This is why I listen to mostly Christian music. If you read my post, I clearly said I stay clear from music that talks about sex, drinking, etc. I listen to some secular music, but I don't listen to the bad songs and whatever. So I don't see what the problem is.
And when I mentioned Slipknot, I was saying how I used to listen to it in the PAST. And like I said, when I committed my life to God, I let go of a lot of my favorite bands. So yes, please just read the WHOLE post :)
And yes, music is a big part of my life. But is it my whole life? No. This is just a saying. God's my number one in life, he's the main reason that I live. Music is not.
Music can influence everyone. And that's why I stay clear from the swear words, sex, drinking, etc etc. You would know this if you read my post.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 4:47:21 PM
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But you SHOULDN'T listen to secular music with swearing, talking about sex, drinking, etc.
I just wanted to make some points about this. Not trying to argue but simply provide another viewpoint. You mentioned secular music with swearing and while I get annoyed at any type of cussing just to be cool stuff I think that there are times when the swearing is needed in order to make the artistic vision the best it can be. This applies more to movies than music. For example, in a war movie that strives to be realistic it has to include profanity. When your trench buddy gets his head shot off I don't think tyoo many people are going to exclaim "Gee golly gosh". Realistic reactions and actions allow full immersion into the storyline.
I feel it applies to music as well, just not as much. I didn't have any real good examples last night but by pure coincidence I picked up Sixx AM's "The Heroin Diaries Soundtrack". By the way, generally speaking to everyone I highly recommend it (if the swearing and other subject matter won't trip you up, and it doesn't present a Christian world view). This CD is based on a diary Nikki Sixx (bassist for 80s glam metallers Motley Crue) kept during his heroin addiction (note: Sixx wrote a book as well, this CD serves as a "companion" to it). There is quite a bit of swearing in it. I'm not going to say each and every bad word was needed but if the goal is to paint the despair and near death experience Sixx went through accurately then he can't express himself like a choir boy. You really can't substitute other words because those aren't the words he would have used back then (or truth be told now, I don't think he feels guilty about bad words). Not only is this CD compelling and emotional but it might keep people from trying heroin and going down the same road he did.
This really is a general point and not addressed to you. I personally believe we need unsavory art to show us the reality of this cold, fallen world. But since I'm responding to your post let me add this: you appear to be a mature young lady who has thought this through and I'm impressed. And if you feel that the bad language makes you trip up then by all means avoid it. I'm simply presenting the other side of it.
Thanks for reading.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 6:43:29 PM
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This CD is based on a diary Nikki Sixx (bassist for 80s glam metallers Motley Crue) kept during his heroin addiction (note: Sixx wrote a book as well, this CD serves as a "companion" to it). There is quite a bit of swearing in it. I'm not going to say each and every bad word was needed but if the goal is to paint the despair and near death experience Sixx went through accurately then he can't express himself like a choir boy.
Yeah, I get what you mean! In some ways, swearing is needed. Do I agree with it? No. But in certain circumstances it's needed :)
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 8:24:19 PM
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Swearing is never needed. The Bible makes that clear.
Ephesians 4:29
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/4/2008 8:49:23 PM
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Swearing is never needed. The Bible makes that clear.
Ephesians 4:29
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
I think unwholesome talk is more than a few words we have determined are taboo for whatever reason. I can't think of a bigger benefit than telling a potential junkie his or her future to keep them away from it.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/5/2008 12:37:43 PM
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if u belivie 'music is just music' watch the movie "they sold their souls for rock and roll." I was wondering when someone was going to bring up this masterpiece of the absurd. the thread is now complete and can be shut down. 
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/10/2008 5:52:24 PM
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FYI, while this is not completely on topic had there been no swearing in the movies Good Will Hunting or The Departed then the movies would have been much less realistic.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/12/2008 8:51:22 PM
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i agree with existential 100percent. the church at that time and many still are today was very afraid of the music from the slaves(my ancestors), because the slaves made better music. also the church or basically the people that were in control feared what that music would do(heheheheh).
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/12/2008 11:23:05 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Ken, would you mind opening a thread, and inviting me to it, to talk about that music! I would just love that! It's not that i could add to the thread, but I sure would like to learn!! I love singing those songs I know from my very limited repertoire
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/14/2008 3:21:36 PM
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This is new for me.
I'm a person who loves music and the emotions it can bring up when I listen to a certain song. To me music is a gift that has been given to us as another form of communication. People may find this is the best way to express and share what may be going on in their lives. How I interperate what they are trying to say though may not be the same for someone else. I would rather listen to an artist that has something to say or share in their lyrics than someone whose only subject matter is sex, greed, glorifying drugs /alcohol or really has no meaning what so ever. That's when you have to ask yourself what is this artist gaining from writing about these things.
To say that a song can influence you to do certain things, well isn't it a matter of choice whether you do it or not? Are we not tempted every day the moment we open our eyes, and have to make a decision to choose what God would have us to do? If a person finds that the song makes for them a stumbling block then by all means don't listen. That's a choice.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 3:01:13 AM
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I_Walk_Alone
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Giggles brings up a good point about music and influencing behavior. I agree 100% with it.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 10:27:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: DreadPirateRandy
Swearing is never needed. The Bible makes that clear.
Ephesians 4:29
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
Did you catch that caveat in the Scripture verse you just quoted? “Unwholesome talk” can be gossiping without swear words of any kind so it is not synonymous with swear words. Jesus used a couple of curse words in His earthly lifetime. He cursed a fig tree (Matt. 21:19) and the Pharisees, calling them a “brood of vipers” or “vipers” (Matthew 3:7, 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7) or “white-washed sepulchers” or just "sepulchres" (Matthew 23:27 and Luke 11:44) which is tame by our standards of today but was shocking and vulgar for that time.
The rest of the NT is also with some “name-calling” James uses the term “ignoramus” (James 3:20) although some translations have watered this down to “foolish fellow”.
So even Jesus knew that a well-placed word with some shock value has its place.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 2:44:47 PM
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because so much secular/mainstream music has occultic satinistic messages in them. and the fact that so many mainstream artist are in the occult.and if u belivie 'music
Name one....
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But I don't think secular music is bad unless it's talking about how sex is so good
Um, sex IS good. God created it, and obviously created it to be enjoyed. Perhaps you should qualify that statement...
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Anyone can be easily influenced by music
Only if you are simple minded in the extreme....
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 3:35:18 PM
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like Lemmy said about the Judas Priest concerning the suicide trial.
Out of the thousands of people who bought the album. If the music called suicide, their should be thousands of bodies in the streets.
I truly believe that those that are easily influenced by music are the ones who had serious underlying issues. The music is just a scapegoat.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 3:45:06 PM
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Or as Dennis Miller said, "If your kid is so far gone that he can be pushed over the edge by an AC/DC album, then you as a parent just aren't doing your job..."
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 4:05:49 PM
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I absolutely agree with that.
I know that I listen to bands that have extremely volent content in their music. But I just don't understand how anyone can say that the music made me do it. I listen to that stuff when I am angry and scream along. Then I am back to normal. A nice emotional cleansing.lol
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 4:07:23 PM
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BTW, I have always liked Dennis Miller's commentary. He tells it like it is.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 6:10:10 PM
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because so much secular/mainstream music has occultic satinistic messages in them. and the fact that so many mainstream artist are in the occult.and if u belivie 'music
Name one....
Just for the record, there are examples, but not all bands are bad at all.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 6:11:32 PM
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BTW, I have always liked Dennis Miller's commentary. He tells it like it is.
Now that would be an interesting commentary to hear.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/16/2008 8:18:44 PM
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I almost never listen to secular music. Why? Because I love music, and if I'm going to have a tune running through my head, I prefer it to be words focused on my Saviour.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 8/17/2008 1:05:43 AM
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like Lemmy said about the Judas Priest concerning the suicide trial.
Out of the thousands of people who bought the album. If the music called suicide, their should be thousands of bodies in the streets.
I truly believe that those that are easily influenced by music are the ones who had serious underlying issues. The music is just a scapegoat.
I find it remarkable that anyone understood anything Lemmy says (judging from his singing).
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I know that I listen to bands that have extremely volent content in their music. But I just don't understand how anyone can say that the music made me do it. I listen to that stuff when I am angry and scream along. Then I am back to normal. A nice emotional cleansing.lol
Agreed
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Now that would be an interesting commentary to hear.
I agree with Dennis Miller more now but I don't find him as funny since he went conservative. Conservative comedians in general aren't as funny (look at Fox News' short lived "Half Hour News Hour" and the should have been short lived "Red Eye"). I'm not sure why that is. Maybe its because liberal comedians wil still make fun of other liberals (see Jon Stewart & Lewis Black) whereas conservative comedians are more hands off of fellow conservatives and don't laugh at their own beliefs as much. Of course its a small sample size as there are not many conservative comedians around (the redneck gang doesn't count as they only do a few political jokes).
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