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The Ultimate Conspiracy
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| Obama - JFK, MLK deja vous |
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| Aliens (the space kind) |
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| John McCain as President of USA |
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| Rapture or Staged Rapture |
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| Freemasonry, Illuminati or New World Order/One World Order |
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/16/2008 8:52:36 AM
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1dblthnk02
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Of Course I Am!! And those [Christians] who should know better are falling for this rhetoric hook line and sinker.
I see. Well, is it okay if an ex-Christian doesn't "know better?"
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And Why do you think there is an on going Thread, on global warming, here in this Conspiracy Central Folder?
. . . Because maybe it's a joke . . . actually, not even maybe.
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You do realize that these letters although originally addressed to one church were circulated throughout the other churches because they recognized their implications for the entire church?
Yes, and I also realize that Laodicea was just down the road from Colosse. I was simply correcting Pat-rebel_lady in her insinuation that Paul's epistle to the Colossians was aimed at the Laodicean church.
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Is this why in versed 13-25 he uses words like I, me, and my? It seems very clear through the language Paul uses that he is referring to himself.
Again, Paul was personalizing his point to give it more impact. Anyone who reads Romans 7 is made to personalize it because of the syntax. The purpose is to put the reader in the message rather than merely receive it.
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Also verse 25 qualifies that he is following the law of God with his mind but he serves the law of sin with his flesh.
Do you think that Paul, elect of Christ, served the law of sin as an apostle?
Do you think that Paul, elect of Christ, followed the old law?
No. Saul of Tarsus did do these things, but not Paul the apostle. Paul was able to personify everone's need of the savior after he coverted, and this is precisely what he did in Romans 7.
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He also refers to himself in verse 24 as a wretched man.
All of humanity is wretched and in need of salvation, correct?
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/16/2008 1:48:34 PM
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1dblthnk02
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Well, since there is no such thing as an "ex-Christian"
Whaddya know-- I'm imaginary!
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I'd have to say the question is a personal issue; only you can answer that.
And I have.
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And joke is on the 'global warming idol worshipers'.
Hmm . . . I guess that's the next level up of sun-worship.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/16/2008 2:03:30 PM
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I choose ‘Religion: Other Religions and/or Cross-less Christianity’; Namely, Cross-less Christianity.
Why would this appeal to God's "elect?"
Because Satan is the accuser, liar and ultimate murderer and he is very cunning, decietful, to appear as an angel of light
This is why we must know that the truth is Jesus Christ plus nothing
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/17/2008 8:58:16 AM
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Because Satan is the accuser, liar and ultimate murderer and he is very cunning, decietful, to appear as an angel of light
This is why we must know that the truth is Jesus Christ plus nothing
If Satan is all that, then how can a Christian ever really know that they are not being deceived?
Remember, Jesus said that even the very elect would be deceived were the days of the great deception/tribulation not shortened.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/17/2008 4:01:04 PM
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If Satan is all that, then how can a Christian ever really know that they are not being deceived?
Remember, Jesus said that even the very elect would be deceived were the days of the great deception/tribulation not shortened.
Satan tries to decieve Christians all the time but if you hold on to your faith in Jesus,, He will make all things turn out for good. You can be bent but never broken in Christ who raises the dead.
Satan knows his time is short and his mission is to take as many with him as possible. He can kill your body,, but he cannot take your soul for once it belongs to Christ and sealed in the HS. nobody can take you from his hand.
Jesus has delievered us from sin and death and on that promise we can overcome the wiles of the devil. The devil loses.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/18/2008 9:28:22 AM
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1dblthnk02
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Satan tries to decieve Christians all the time but if you hold on to your faith in Jesus,, He will make all things turn out for good. You can be bent but never broken in Christ who raises the dead.
And yet Christ deemed it necessary to give this warning:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Mt.24:24
Do you not agree that it seems from this verse that a deception so great that no Christian can withstand it is not only possible, but imminent?
If not, then how do you interpret this verse?
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/18/2008 12:25:23 PM
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Satan tries to decieve Christians all the time but if you hold on to your faith in Jesus,, He will make all things turn out for good. You can be bent but never broken in Christ who raises the dead.
And yet Christ deemed it necessary to give this warning:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Mt.24:24
Do you not agree that it seems from this verse that a deception so great that no Christian can withstand it is not only possible, but imminent?
If not, then how do you interpret this verse?
No, I do not agree that it's possible, Nor do I believe it to be imminent either.
1.) "... if it were possible ..."; you had the underline in the wrong place.
2.) "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days." (Mark 13:20)
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/18/2008 2:19:05 PM
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Would this pastor be considered part of "the Elect"? He looks like he went astray!
Ontario mayor says he's sorry
"Mayor Paul Leon issued a statement Monday apologizing for his private conduct and defending his public conduct and actions as mayor.
The statement came almost two weeks after allegations were made at a council meeting that Leon had an affair with a city-contracted employee and misreported his campaign expenditures.
In an e-mail sent to the Daily Bulletin, Leon, who is also pastor of Hope Chapel in Ontario, explained his silence on the matter until now.
"I, like most people, wanted the opportunity to meet with those closest to me for counsel on issues in my private life where I have fallen short," the statement reads."
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/18/2008 2:25:22 PM
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No, I do not agree that it's possible, Nor do I believe it to be imminent either.
1.) "... if it were possible ..."; you had the underline in the wrong place.
If it were not possilbe, why did he mention it in the first palce? Why would Jesus have warned anybody about that which cannot and will not happen?
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Would this pastor be considered part of "the Elect"? He looks like he went astray!
He is certainly of the elect, in more ways than one!
No conspiracy here, just proof that power corrupts.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/19/2008 8:29:44 AM
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No conspiracy here, just proof that power corrupts.
Contrary to popular in-the-box thinking, I have observed that power doesn't corrupt anyone, it simply allows a corrupt person the opportunity to exercise their rotten core with less restriction than before.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/19/2008 10:05:42 AM
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No conspiracy here, just proof that power corrupts.
Contrary to popular in-the-box thinking, I have observed that power doesn't corrupt anyone, it simply allows a corrupt person the opportunity to exercise their rotten core with less restriction than before.
Very true indeed. And the same goes for money, if you ask me.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/19/2008 10:29:02 AM
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To describe for unbelievers how bad it will get for unbelievers??
I don't think so. Jesus was talking to his twelve elect. It was a private discourse, not a public one. His tone was definitely warning to them specifically. His very first words in his discourse were, "Take heed that no man deceives you." Later he again intones about the decpetion of the elect, "See, I have told you beforehand."
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Contrary to popular in-the-box thinking, I have observed that power doesn't corrupt anyone, it simply allows a corrupt person the opportunity to exercise their rotten core with less restriction than before.
I'll second that.
Btw, in-the-box is where you'll find the prize-- right under all the Cracker Jack or Cocoa Puffs.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/20/2008 9:25:53 AM
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Jesus Christ set us, Christians, free. Freedom involves choices. We have the capacity and the ability to make choices and to abuse the freedom God has given us, but we are not free to choose the consequences of our choices. The consequences of our freedom are facts. Choices have destinations; only truth enables us to make the right choices and preserves our true freedom. We need to be careful that we keep our freedom on the right track (1 Peter 2:16) because certain railroad tracks lead to a place of bondage and suffering.
This point is lost on those who blame external circumstances, people or spiritual minions for those choices. People like to be relieved from responsibility for their actions. I guess that's why Paul exhorted us "to live in freedom - but not a freedom that gives free rein to the flesh." Galatians 5:13
I almost forgot to add... Great post! Very insightful!
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/20/2008 10:00:43 AM
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This point is lost on those who blame external circumstances, people or spiritual minions for those choices.
Since her post was made in response to me, I hope that you are not saying her point is lost on me because I blame external circumstances, people, or spiritual minions for my choices.
Circumstances and people can certainly force me to make choices that I don't want to make, but I still make the choice. I am responsible for all of my choices.
As for "spiritual minions," give me a break.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 6/20/2008 2:22:33 PM
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mapachito13
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This point is lost on those who blame external circumstances, people or spiritual minions for those choices.
Since her post was made in response to me, I hope that you are not saying her point is lost on me because I blame external circumstances, people, or spiritual minions for my choices.
Circumstances and people can certainly force me to make choices that I don't want to make, but I still make the choice. I am responsible for all of my choices.
As for "spiritual minions," give me a break.
Not meant for you. General comment in agreement with both of you about personal responsibility and an observation on how some people try to shirk that by blaming their parents, friends, environment, spiritual minions (they were under control of some evil spirit, "the devil made me do it") and other excuses. But thanks for asking for clarification. No need for me to create bad feelings with someone whom I share many views with on some of the other threads. God Bless!
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"I would argue that the most serious threat to the United States is not someone hiding in a cave in Pakistan or Afghanistan, but our own fiscal irresponsibility."-David Walker, fmr comptroller general of the US
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 7/19/2008 4:56:57 AM
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Everything is a conspiracy.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 7/22/2008 7:24:57 PM
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My favey is the staged Rapture. That was tooo rich!! I laughed so hard I nearly peed my pants when I read the article. Too good, much too good.
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - 7/22/2008 7:40:14 PM
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Exactly, and how do they do that? By using deceit and taking even the elect captive, if it were possible, through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world.
That's all I got to say on this subject.
You and I apparently have very different operative definitions of signs and wonders. I personally cannot view a "hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world" as being anything remotely close to great signs and wonders.
Thus, the question does remain: how does it all tie in? A conspiracy aimed at God's elect by those who concoct great signs and wonders that can fool even the most faithful . . . I don't know. I don't think that we have seen anything quite like this yet.
I'm going to be serious for just a second and jump into the very interesting conversation. You all are forgeting a very important element in all of this conspiracy stuff. His name is the Holy Spirit. Believe it or not, He WILL give you wisdom on what is real and what isn't, what is from God and what isn't. He promised.
Open your bibles to John 16:13: However, When He the Spirit of truth, has come, (And yes, He's here now.) he will guide you into all truth: for He will not speak on his own authority but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. And no, Jesus wasn't saying this just to the disciples, this is for everyone who believes in Christ. Ok?
And if that's not good enough and we're all going to scream: Dear God, we're all going to die, then in 1 Cor 2:12 says now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the thngs that have been freely given to us by God.
He's not here b/c He's bored and has nothing to do. If folks don't want to listen to Him, then that's their problem and His, not yours. The Holy Ghost will use other christians, His Word and Himself to turn them away. If they don't listen or want to listen, it's no longer your problem. It's His. So it's ok. So you all can breath now.
Now back to the silliness. :)
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RE: The Ultimate Conspiracy - ZEITGEIST - 8/12/2008 8:27:35 AM
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How about ZEITGEIST?
a 2 hour presentation which has "gone viral" worldwide, is all the rage of talk shows, and despite it internal inconsistencies and wild assertions has had wonderful endorsements.
It is is the ULTIMATE conspiracy theory!
For the benefit of those who do not wish to wade thru the 2 hour flick... the following three points might be helpful...
1.) the creators of the website, from their own webpage, believe they are god (a common enough assertion these days, but it is worth noting that 50 years ago this would have ensured a ticket to the loony bin)
2) the creators of the website go out of their way, both in the video and the website, to say the 10 commandments are bogus and there are no "rules" of life (presumably such as the proscription of lying, murder etc. etc.)
3) having thus said, they present many angry accusations about those in power being guilty of lying, murder etc. etc.
well, point 1 does not give me confidence in the source and points 2 and 3 are logically inconsistent with each other
NOTWITHSTANDING....
the astonishing CONCLUSION of the video with its references to "one world government" and "implanted microchips" would, ON ITS OWN, warm the cockles of our most evangelical prophetically minded members...
and therein, lies an important feature of ANY really good conspiracy theory, PLAUSIBILITY (even when viewed by those most diametrically opposed to its assertions)
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