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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/15/2008 12:53:31 PM
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McFatty:
So with the tattooist in that particular parlor you feel quite confident with the sterility and safety aspects when s/he is needling you?
So I guess you have recommended him/her to friends?
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The tattoo parlor to which I go has very close to a hospital atmosphere as far as sterilization and cleanliness go. They charge a bit more because they change needles even from body part to body part, but I've never heard of any ill health effects happening there.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/15/2008 12:55:08 PM
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I've brought him so much business that he basically said if I ever want to come back, I only need to pay cost. He's a good friend of mine now anyway.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/15/2008 12:56:53 PM
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McFatty:
I see so he's also tattooed your friends, wife/gf etc?
He must be pleased with your confidence in him. Care about safety and sterility pays dividends, I guess.
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I've brought him so much business that he basically said if I ever want to come back, I only need to pay cost. He's a good friend of mine now anyway.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 6:56:57 PM
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My girl friend seems to think that if I had a tatoo before getting saved its ok. But, any tatoo's I get after being saved is against GOD.
Where does it state in the bible that tatoo's are bad?
I also recently just got an earing, and she thinks this is also against GOD.
Where does it state in the bible that earings/piercings are bad?
Her statement backing up her reasoning/beliefs are as follows:
- Clothes yourself with the armor of GOD
- Earings were made for women to enhance their beauty (this is supposedly in the bible)
- The bible states clothing that pertains to men, and clothing that pertains to women, and that we are not to interchange it.
- Isaiah 3:13-16, it talks about jewelry, nose rings, and other piercings.
- Leviticus 19:28, speaks of tatoo's and defying the lords temple
I dont wear the earing or tatoo for anyone else. But rather, I wear it because I like it. No different than me liking to wear clothes with ties or not, etc... All I want to understand, and get better details is to whether tatoo's and specifically earings/piercings for a guy are against GOD, per his word. Dont care about whether its accepted in the workplace, in society, etc...
Thanks in advance,
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 8:31:24 PM
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Clothes yourself with the armor of GOD
If we take that literally, then we'd all go around physically nude. None of the pieces of the armor of God are actual physical clothing/armor/weapons, they are all spiritual attitudes we have and godly choices we make.
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Earings were made for women to enhance their beauty (this is supposedly in the bible)
Nope, it's not in Scripture. I'm pretty sure the only definite use for earrings given in Scripture is a sign for slaves who have been freed, but choose to remain in their master's house.
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The bible states clothing that pertains to men, and clothing that pertains to women, and that we are not to interchange it.
This is true. Does she not wear pants? (note: I have no problem with women wearing pants. I do, however, have a problem with this idea being used against men wearing earrings)
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Isaiah 3:13-16, it talks about jewelry, nose rings, and other piercings.
...Are you sure you gave the right reference? Because I don't see how those verses apply at all, sorry!
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Leviticus 19:28, speaks of tatoo's and defying the lords temple
While it does mention tattoos, it does not mention the Lord's temple (especially since Leviticus was written hundreds of years before the temple was built). Also, the tattoos mentioned were used in pagan worship, not as decorations.
So, that's my take on her reasoning.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 9:13:50 PM
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I got a tattoo when I was 17 of a heartagram for a band I had "fallen in love with", it takes up my lower back. At the time I questioned the idea of putting what is basically a pentagram on my body, I was rasied too know the lord in some ways but I still did it cuz I was leading my own path in life not gods, I am now 21 and I regret the tattoo so much but I can not take it away I just have too ask god too forgive me, he made my body the way it is if he intended for me or you too have a tattoo u would of had it at birth, so even a tattoo of a cross I think is wrong because it is painting a canvense that is already finished so too speak, I think its a way of the devil tring too trick u that u are doing a holy thing by getting a cross or whatever cuz he knows god forbids it and yes it may get u too talk too someone about god when they notice your cross but thats just god making a good out of evil, I think. If you are right with god u do not need a tattoo too show it, people will be able too see it just my looking at you, his light should shine through u and give u the confidence too talk too a non-believer ur self not cuz the noticed ur "cool tattoo" I dunno I just think its wrong too get a tattoo, but I dont judge those who have then, I try not too atleast, I am really working on not judging people its not my place, its god's. But I know I pray and hope god will forgive me for my tatto cuz of the nature of it but I know he will, u just have too believe. Anywho thats my thoughts, I hope I did not offend anyone :)
Just open ur heart and u will know what is right my the lord, but he world has a way of making you think god would think things would be okay, but tis not and its hard too go against the world but u have too remember what ur fighting for UR LIFE! Ur body is a temple just as u wouldnt smoke cigarettes (which I have and QUIT, so yes I know the strugglees) U should not mark your body!
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 9:18:04 PM
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I just have too ask god too forgive me
Don't worry about it. He already has.
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he made my body the way it is if he intended for me or you too have a tattoo u would of had it at birth,
Do you believe that Christians should not receive medical treatment of any kind?
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I dunno I just think its wrong too get a tattoo
And that's perfectly all right. God has clearly laid this conviction on your heart, and that's great.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 11:13:06 PM
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Do you believe that Christians should not receive medical treatment of any kind?
Thats a good question I am not sure I have thought about it, I am torn because I think god gave us the ability too think for ourselfs knowing we would evolve and part of that is medicine but on the other hand if we had enough faith in him too do what is right let it be we love or die shouldnt we just trust in him too let things turn out according too his will or is part of his will conventional medicine, there are so many diffrent views on it I can not even begin too explain. I think in part we are so attached too this world, we are corrputed from birth that we have too hit so many milestones in life marriage kids etc that we forget that this isnt even the begining but we lvoe the people here and want too stay as long as possible we loose sight of eternal life and will do anything too just stay here and that involves medicine for a lot of people, including me. But then if God wanted you too be done with this world and start your new life no medicine in the world could stop him!!! See its confusing, atleast too me. But, that is a really good question, what do you think??????????
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 11:24:21 PM
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what do you think??????????
First, I like your thoughts on the subject. Clearly you're thinking the matter through, which is always important.
Personally, I have no problem with Christians receiving medical treatment. Could God heal us miraculously? Sure. But He also gave us brains to figure out how the bodies He gave us work, so why shouldn't we use that knowledge?
If I may make an example from another subject - no Christian I know argues that Christians shouldn't drive when they need to. Even if one were to, they likely would not argue that Christians cannot at least ride animals or walk to places. Yet we have a clear example in Scripture of the Holy Spirit miraculously moving Philip from one place to another after his encounter with the Ethiopian. So obviously, God could pick us up and move us if He so chose. But by and large, He doesn't.
All that to say, if God wants to work miraculously in our bodies, He will. But if He doesn't, I see no reason to not use the resources He has given us as humans.
Oh, heh, before I forget -
One of the main reasons I asked was, when I was 12, I had corrective surgery on my right foot. I received two scars along both sides. Those are marks on my body I chose to receive. You said a Christian should never mark their bodies. Would this fall into that category, or did you mean in a decorative fashion?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/26/2008 11:48:04 PM
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But He also gave us brains to figure out how the bodies He gave us work, so why shouldn't we use that knowledge?
Thanks, everyone says I think too much always weighing the pros and cons, so thank u for the compliment :) But I like how u put that he gave us the knowledge so why shouldnt we use it, that is very true.But how do we know which knowledge comes from our creator and which idea's are put in our head from satan? Or is it simply how we use the knoweldge we have?
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no Christian I know argues that Christians shouldn't drive when they need to.
I am starting too believe we should walk or run if u want if the destination is close enough and u can get there in time vs using a car cuz its just plain good for u and thats why god gave you legs, right? But yes cars are a necessity of this world without them most of us could not thrive.
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I had corrective surgery on my right foot. I received two scars along both sides. Those are marks on my body I chose to receive. You said a Christian should never mark their bodies. Would this fall into that category, or did you mean in a decorative fashion?
I had corrective surgury on my foot too although I was 16 I believe, I should have my other one done but actually I think the surgury has its problmes too both feet bother me so I didnt win, LOL. But no I didnt mean marks as in scars, I meant as u said "decorative fashion". Sorry I wasnt clear :) But then I guess I mean as when people cut them selfs or carve themelves too that would be wrong but that I think falls into a form of tatoo.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 12:05:50 AM
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But how do we know which knowledge comes from our creator and which idea's are put in our head from satan? Or is it simply how we use the knoweldge we have?
I would say it has more to do with how we use the knowledge. Just as a king is given authority that can be used for great good and great evil, so our knowledge has the potential to go either way.
I can't really think of any knowledge that I could classify as "from Satan," though I can think of many times that people have taken morally neutral knowledge and used it for evil.
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I am starting too believe we should walk or run if u want if the destination is close enough and u can get there in time vs using a car cuz its just plain good for u and thats why god gave you legs, right? But yes cars are a necessity of this world without them most of us could not thrive.
I agree. There are times when I would say it's wrong to use a car, just because it's not being a good steward of our possessions. But this is getting rather off-topic, so we should probably stop the discussion on this thread. : )
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But no I didnt mean marks as in scars, I meant as u said "decorative fashion".
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
Does this only apply to permanent things? Or does make-up also fall into this category?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 12:22:16 AM
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Just as a king is given authority that can be used for great good and great evil, so our knowledge has the potential to go either way. can't really think of any knowledge that I could classify as "from Satan," though I can think of many times that people have taken morally neutral knowledge and used it for evil.
I agree I think that is it, we have the choice too decide which way we will use the knowlegde that is given too us. Hmm What would be an example of "morally neutral knowledge"? So I can understand where u are coming from. Or this is prolly a diffrent thread right? Well U can email me the answer then if you want, dont feel pressured or anthing though :)
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Does this only apply to permanent things? Or does make-up also fall into this category?
What do you mean by permanet, a scar is permanet as is a tatoo? IF its intentional and not for your well-being I dont think it should be done, but I could be wrong, but my heart says tattos or self-induced pain is not good for u. Make-up well hmmm I am prolly not the girl too ask cuz I dont wear any, never really liked it too much off a mess, u exercise and its all over or the mascara gets in ur eyes, not for me, I think natural beauty is best, I think god made everyone in his image. Now do I think its wrong too put on make-up too go out, hmm thats a good question, should a women or man for that matter enhance their beauty with cosmetics?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 12:57:33 AM
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should a women or man for that matter enhance their beauty with cosmetics?
I think this is a fairly pertinent question in the matter of tattoos. As far as I know, the only difference, cosmetically, is how long they last. If we shouldn't mark our bodies with something "permanent" (I use quotes since most tattoos are removable somehow), then why should we mark our bodies with something temporary?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 9:06:20 AM
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Yours is a very simple symbol. You could easily have it turned into something else, if that's something that interests you.
It's not that simple it also has the words HIM intertwind and is in stone, pretty complex, but yes I am sure I could find an artist too cover up the tattoo, I have thought about it but then I decided I cant just cover up what I have done it is still there, god knows it is there as do I and covering it up with something else would just that covering it up, mayube someone else can learn from my mistake. And besdies my own convictions tell me not too get a tattoo even though sometimes it may be appealing too get one, I know in my heart its wrong. But thanks for the idea :)
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 9:11:31 AM
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I think this is a fairly pertinent question in the matter of tattoos. As far as I know, the only difference, cosmetically, is how long they last. If we shouldn't mark our bodies with something "permanent" (I use quotes since most tattoos are removable somehow), then why should we mark our bodies with something temporary?
I never thought as make-up as tattos, I guess I mis-understood ur question. But in a way I think u are right, it is a mark on the body but it does wash off but does that make it just as bad as a permanent one, good question, I will have too think and read in the bible for an answer too that one. But isnt make-up or tattos an invention like medicine, god gave us the knowlegde too create these things, so why shouldnt we use them as you say? Or would make-up and tattos fall into the category of satan plating seeds in our head too go against the lord?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 8:11:08 PM
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But isnt make-up or tattos an invention like medicine, god gave us the knowlegde too create these things, so why shouldnt we use them as you say? Or would make-up and tattos fall into the category of satan plating seeds in our head too go against the lord?
Well, as I've said, I think like most inventions of the mind, there are good uses, there are bad uses, and there are morally neutral uses. For example, we invented the needle. A needle can be used to administer life-saving medicines, but it can also be used to shoot illegal and destructive drugs into the bloodstream.
In the same way, I think that make-up and tattoos (which, for the sake of this discussion, I consider to be in the same area - they are both cosmetic affects we add to our skin) can be all right. If they are done without pride, without vanity, and not done in a way that blatantly dishonors God (I don't think any Christian can justify getting 666 tattooed on their forehead...), then I see no problem with them. But if they are done as a way of rebellion, as a means of gaining the approval of other people, or some other manner which is inherently sinful, then I would absolutely say that they would be improper for the Christian using them in that manner.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 8:24:31 PM
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For example, we invented the needle. A needle can be used to administer life-saving medicines, but it can also be used to shoot illegal and destructive drugs into the bloodstream.
In the same way, I think that make-up and tattoos (which, for the sake of this discussion, I consider to be in the same area - they are both cosmetic affects we add to our skin) can be all right. If they are done without pride, without vanity, and not done in a way that blatantly dishonors God (I don't think any Christian can justify getting 666 tattooed on their forehead...), then I see no problem with them. But if they are done as a way of rebellion, as a means of gaining the approval of other people, or some other manner which is inherently sinful, then I would absolutely say that they would be improper for the Christian using them in that manner.
Good example witht he needle and all :) So you dont think a person getting a tattoo or putting on make-up is going against the lord as long as it is done without pride,vanity,etc?
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/27/2008 10:01:43 PM
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Good example witht he needle and all :)
Thank ya'. : )
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So you dont think a person getting a tattoo or putting on make-up is going against the lord as long as it is done without pride,vanity,etc?
No, I don't. Our bodies are not our own, they belong to God - just like everything we have. But that doesn't mean we don't have some degree of liberty with them. Just as our money ultimately belongs to God, that doesn't mean we can't spend a little here and there on things we enjoy - that is part of the reason He gave it to us - in the same way, it's not wrong if we honestly enjoy or feel better about ourselves by getting a tattoo/putting on make-up. Neither are expressly forbidden in the New Testament in and of themselves.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/28/2008 10:01:51 AM
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What about a lady who has the tattoo of an ex-bf's name and she is converted and wants to put her past behind her and has the tattoo saying, eg, "Bill" to saying "Bible", or whatever.
Understandable, I guess?
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/28/2008 9:22:49 PM
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No, I don't. Our bodies are not our own, they belong to God - just like everything we have. But that doesn't mean we don't have some degree of liberty with them. Just as our money ultimately belongs to God, that doesn't mean we can't spend a little here and there on things we enjoy - that is part of the reason He gave it to us - in the same way, it's not wrong if we honestly enjoy or feel better about ourselves by getting a tattoo/putting on make-up. Neither are expressly forbidden in the New Testament in and of themselves.
Well put I have never thought of it that way, interesting, I will look too the bible for guidence on this matter. I was reading the old testamnet and girls had nose rings, so I guess maybe it is not wrong too have piercings or tattos as long as you pray on it and do it according too gods will, I think that is what u are saying? But agina I think it all boils down too what god has put on ur heart as wrong or right.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/28/2008 9:25:04 PM
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I think that is what u are saying?
Spot on. : )
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But agina I think it all boils down too what god has put on ur heart as wrong or right.
Absolutely. For example, even though I know there's no biblical command against it, I feel that it is sinful, for me, to play ultra-violent video games. For a fellow Christian, it might not be, because God did not put it on their heart for it to be wrong.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/28/2008 9:26:49 PM
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What about a lady who has the tattoo of an ex-bf's name and she is converted and wants to put her past behind her and has the tattoo saying, eg, "Bill" to saying "Bible", or whatever.
Understandable, I guess?
If she felt it was right too do than there is nothing wrong with that, I think it all boils down too why you do it and how u think god will feel about it, its a personal choice for everyone, but I wouldnt get mine covered up too put my past behind me, not yet anways, maybe the lord will open my eyes, but having my tattoo reminds me how far I have come, sometimes you can forget.
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RE: Tattoos Anyone? - 7/28/2008 10:00:32 PM
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cpierc07:
Do you still quite like some of your tattoos' designs, then?
Take care.
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What about a lady who has the tattoo of an ex-bf's name and she is converted and wants to put her past behind her and has the tattoo saying, eg, "Bill" to saying "Bible", or whatever.
Understandable, I guess?
If she felt it was right too do than there is nothing wrong with that, I think it all boils down too why you do it and how u think god will feel about it, its a personal choice for everyone, but I wouldnt get mine covered up too put my past behind me, not yet anways, maybe the lord will open my eyes, but having my tattoo reminds me how far I have come, sometimes you can forget.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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