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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/2/2008 1:52:22 PM
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yustme
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honestly, if you truely under the power of the Lord, you do not know what you are doing. you are not looking about smiling looking to see who is watching you. it is you and God connecting and you are under His power. He is the only thing on your mind.
This can happen in a choreographed dance as well. In fact it has happened to me-where you are so into praising Him that you are lost in the worship. I often smile when I dance-not because I am looking around to see if anyone is watching me but because I am communing with him. Happens to me when we practice our special dance too-I am smiling and there is no one but me, Him and the other dancer doing that dance.
That's one of the reasons why in my congregation we practice the worship songs for that week-the idea is to get so familiar with the dance that when service comes, instead of concentrating on the dance, you can just worship.
This is just what I've been trying so hard to get across to people.When the HS of God truly decends upon a service,there is no "familiar dance" to remember.People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.Some cry,some laugh,some shout,some will take off running through the building,laughing,crying,shouting as they go.But there is NEVER a familiar dance to be learned.When you have to practice a "dance" step,that is not "dancing in the Lord/Spirit".Oh how I wish that the ones born in the 60's could have witnessed the beauty of "dancing in the Lord/Spirit"of yr's gone by.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/2/2008 6:00:44 PM
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People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/2/2008 7:04:25 PM
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People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
Thank you,I know that.That's speaking of self-control in this world.But when you yield control to the HS of God.He has the control of what you do,not us.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/2/2008 7:18:34 PM
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People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
Thank you,I know that.That's speaking of self-control in this world.But when you yield control to the HS of God.He has the control of what you do,not us.
Would He ever have you do anything contrary to Scripture? How is losing control of your mind and body part of the self-control fruit, of sound mind? Of being alert and sober-minded for the enemy walks the earth to and fro seeking whom to devour.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/2/2008 8:17:13 PM
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People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
Thank you,I know that.That's speaking of self-control in this world.But when you yield control to the HS of God.He has the control of what you do,not us.
Would He ever have you do anything contrary to Scripture? How is losing control of your mind and body part of the self-control fruit, of sound mind? Of being alert and sober-minded for the enemy walks the earth to and fro seeking whom to devour.
Context earthless! Context! The context of the scripture you're using... does it pertain to worship?
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 10:17:52 AM
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People don't even remember what they did,because the HS takes over the mind and body.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
Indeed is self control and I will like to add also this, for anyone claiming that when he is overtaken by the Holly Spirit he is out of control.
1Cor 14:32-33 - KJV
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 11:57:32 AM
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I have gotten confused with this "dance worship" thing.
Not when the HS takes over, but this planned stuff.
Some of these outfits and music is scary.
Becoming too secular IMHO.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 1:01:41 PM
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My "rule of thumb" on exuberant worship such as this is that it glorify God, and NOT draw the attention of others to me.
I have danced in the Lord in worship services, but only in those where it was invited.
Which, to my mind, falls both under 1Cor 14:32-33 and the ides of not "stumbling" others. (1 Corinthians 8:11-12 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.)
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 1:22:21 PM
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Some cry,some laugh,some shout,some will take off running through the building,laughing,crying,shouting as they go
Since the title of this thread is "Dancing in the Lord" I thought this was about dance. None of the things you mentioned above are dance. 
And you are mistaken if you don't think the HS can come over people doing a choreographed dance.  It can and does without people going off on their own and running into other dancers and getting hurt.
Everything I mentioned has everything to do with a Heavenly dance in the Lord.Because were human,we have a tendancy to view dancing in a fleshly way.But when we yeild our minds to the HS of God and He blesses us,the "dance"is not something we learn or practice,It's a Heavenly unrehearshed unplanned "dance"and It's all orderly and noone ever bumpes into any or hurts anyone because He's perfect and He does everything perfect.BTW,I never said the HS can't come over people doing a choreographed dance.He can do anything He wants to do.However,a lot of the "dances" today is not the Biblical "dancing in the Lord."I don't think David learned any "dance steps."
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 2:28:58 PM
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BTW,I never said The HS can't come over people doing a choreographed dance.
It was certainly implied in your statements.
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I don't think David learned any "dance steps."
I beg to differ since dance was and is an important part of worship in Jewish congregations. Even today in Israel, the men that are studying and teaching at Yeshiva come out on Friday afternoons dancing because Shabbat is here. In Orthodox Judaism, only the men dance. And there are dances that everyone learns.
Now knowing that David grew up the way he did, I am positive he knew dances and dance steps. In fact, the dance he did that day for the Lord was probably a mix of his made up steps and combinations of dances/steps he already knew.
And while The Bible tells us he danced in and for the Lord, nowhere does it say that he ended up down the road or somewhere else that he didn't know how he had gotten there. So he was dancing in the Lord and yet still knew where he was and how he got there. The two are not mutually exclusive, which is what you are implying.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 3:13:54 PM
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This has been an interesting thread, but seems to be "Dancing" around the real point.
Do you think that dancing before the Lord, being exuberant in the praise of our God is wrong (a sin even), or do you feel that it is appropriate (during the time of worship). Laying aside the discussion of being taken over or being in a trance; is the act of dancing before the Lord OK or not?
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 3:40:49 PM
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This has been an interesting thread, but seems to be "Dancing" around the real point.
Do you think that dancing before the Lord, being exuberant in the praise of our God is wrong (a sin even), or do you feel that it is appropriate (during the time of worship). Laying aside the discussion of being taken over or being in a trance; is the act of dancing before the Lord OK or not?
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No.It's not a "sin"to dance before the Lord unless the Lord convicts you for what you're doing.The only thing Im' trying to point out is,what we as humans see as dancing in the Lord,is different than a Heavenly dance.When i say the HS takes control of the mind and body,I don't mean we lose our mind.We just become so focused on God the Father,God the Son and God the HS that the HS guides our steps.This is why I've said it's not a planned or practiced "dance."This can happen in a church service,in your home,most anyplace.But mostly in a church service.There are many people who accept Christ but are not controlled by the HS.In fact, I suspect many Christians don't even know how the HS works.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/3/2008 4:10:49 PM
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is the act of dancing before the Lord OK or not?
It is O.K.
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When i say the HS takes control of the mind and body,I don't mean we lose our mind.
Really? The above statement contradicts this one:
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People don't even remember what they did, because the HS takes over the mind and body.
Not to mention the part where you said that people would end up in the back of the church and have no idea how they got there.
Tracydolls,
I agree that a lot of what passes as worship dance is too secular. That is one thing we are very aware of in our congregation. If you saw our dances they would not be confused with secular-we do some Israeli and Davidic dance steps. It is very different from other types of dance.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/4/2008 8:16:26 AM
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This is why I said in a previous post,I wish people who were in the 60's and beyond could have experienced the good ole time church services.I'm not at all stuck in the past.I know things change.I saw things begin to change in the 60's.The fleshly dance took over with the change in music.So many people don't understand what it's like to feel the presence of the HS of God because our human emotions have taken over.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/4/2008 10:07:11 AM
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This is why I said in a previous post,I wish people who were in the 60's and beyond could have experienced the good ole time church services.I'm not at all stuck in the past.I know things change.I saw things begin to change in the 60's.The fleshly dance took over with the change in music.So many people don't understand what it's like to feel the presence of the HS of God because our human emotions have taken over.
Good points yustme.
I grew up in Church during that ole time religion, and dancing before the Lord was certainly happing at the Churches I attended.
I think the difference between then and now is profound.
Then it was and still is in many Churches and with many folks an outward expression of the the inward feeling of the presence of God.
Now, the choreographed "Productions" seem to be an attempt to encourage folks to feel something, whether it is the presence of God or the joy of being part of a grand staged production of sorts.
I think our style of praise should show what we are truely feeling and not something to try and "Chrank us up a notch or two".
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/4/2008 10:12:25 AM
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I agree with RC on this one.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/4/2008 11:02:39 AM
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Now, the choreographed "Productions" seem to be an attempt to encourage folks to feel something, whether it is the presence of God or the joy of being part of a grand staged production of sorts.
Thank goodness, our dances are not like that. In fact, we don't dance on a stage or platform-we are on the floor, the same as all the other worshippers/congregants. We are also off to the side, not directly down in front of everyone.
And as far as being in the Spirit-there are many times in the Bible when the Spirit physically moved people from one place to another. At no time however, do we see the people that were moved saying "I have no idea how I got here." They always said "The Spirit took me to______". There was no question in their minds of how they got there or who took them there.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/4/2008 3:22:04 PM
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Now, the choreographed "Productions" seem to be an attempt to encourage folks to feel something, whether it is the presence of God or the joy of being part of a grand staged production of sorts.
Thank goodness, our dances are not like that. In fact, we don't dance on a stage or platform-we are on the floor, the same as all the other worshippers/congregants. We are also off to the side, not directly down in front of everyone.
And as far as being in the Spirit-there are many times in the Bible when the Spirit physically moved people from one place to another. At no time however, do we see the people that were moved saying "I have no idea how I got here." They always said "The Spirit took me to______". There was no question in their minds of how they got there or who took them there.
Perhaps I used the wrong wording.Maybe I should have said " the HS took me to_____.I wouldn't be too quick to say"thank goodness our dances are not like that."That could be very offensive to the HS.Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the HS of God."Anything that the HS does I'd want to be part of.Too many times flesh gets in the way instead of letting the HS work.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/5/2008 8:47:37 AM
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I wouldn't be too quick to say"thank goodness our dances are not like that."That could be very offensive to the HS.Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the HS of God."Anything that the HS does I'd want to be part of.Too many times flesh gets in the way instead of letting the HS work.
Correct. I was responding to Rc who said:
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Now, the choreographed "Productions" seem to be an attempt to encourage folks to feel something, whether it is the presence of God or the joy of being part of a grand staged production of sorts.
I think our style of praise should show what we are truely feeling and not something to try and "Chrank us up a notch or two".
I was agreeing with him-we are not dancing to try and force people to feel something, they are not grand stage productions to try and crank people up a notch or two, all of which are fleshly things/desires. But now Yustme you're saying that I should not disagree with that? That doing those things are okay?
I'm baffled.
I just reread your post.I'm sorry,I misunderstood it.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/5/2008 5:11:21 PM
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No problem, Yustme!
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/6/2008 2:02:09 PM
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i grew up in sort of a pentacostal/ church of God type environment where many danced. some did not but many did. i can tell you after seeing now, several years later, how many people turned out....most of that dancing was for show.
if this isn't something you do in the private of your own home with no eyes watching, then you are probably doing it for some other purpose in the church. you may not even be aware of the reasons you do it.
dancing on the beat or off the beat makes no difference. if it is of God, it is pleasing to Him...and if it's for show, or because you think someone may be watching, or because you think it makes you look like you really praising God, then it is NOT pleasing to him.
i personally, am not a dance in the spirit person. even growing up around it, the dancing i saw came off to me as really fake...as i knew how people acted outside of church monday through friday and knew that their sunday persona was different. but that could just be something specific to my particular church.
i'm sure there are many who dance in the spirit and it is for real. i have personally never seen it, but i'm sure it can happen. I DO think that if you are one of those people who believe in dancing in the spirit and you actually do dance in the spirit, then you can't judge others for doing it in their own way...as in some people dance to the beat and some don't. the person dancing to the beat isn't a sinner because they are keeping time. no one particular dance in the spirit is better than any other dance in the spirit. it's an individual and personal way to worship. that's how i view it. it's not how i worship, and i doubt i'll ever feel compelled to dance, but i respect that others worship this way.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/6/2008 2:50:26 PM
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....most of that dancing was for show.
And you know this how?
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/6/2008 3:11:25 PM
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if this isn't something you do in the private of your own home with no eyes watching, then you are probably doing it for some other purpose in the church.
Sort of like the people that only speak in "tongues" when they are in a church service?
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