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JonCo54 -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/2/2008 4:32:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vikingfan

I have no interest in the plastic look. I'd rather see ladies the way God created them.

I agree. The Bible says, man looketh on the outward appearance, but God looketh on the heart.



TomTurn -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/4/2008 5:37:41 PM)

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For those of y'all who like to look specifically at women with surgically-augmented faces and/or bodies . . . why?


Have never heard of anything like this in my life.



DreadPirateRandy -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/19/2008 7:31:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings

I'm simply curious as to why a man would find plastic beauty, in and of itself, appealing.


It should be a turn off. Here's why.

Getting plastic surgery is the same as saying, "I feel less confident about this specific area of my body, therefore, I'm going to enhance it.". It's really not an issue of plastic surgery itself, it's the insecurity one feels about their body that drives them to artificially enhance it.

That would tell me that she's unconfident in herself and her appearance. If she's insecure about her appearance, what about internally? It's not something you can ever change unless you, as a person, are willing to change. No enhancement is going to help. You'll continue to be something else instead of yourself.

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And, for those of you who do, does it mean that natural beauty is not appealing to you?


I am incredibly thankful my girlfriend isn't made out of plastic. She is what God made for me. She's absolutely the most visually stunning being God created and it's because of her natural beauty, and not because of any physical altercations.



rayofson -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/20/2008 11:09:05 AM)

Glad to hear there haven't been any any physical altercations. [8D]



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/20/2008 11:10:34 AM)

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BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/21/2008 6:45:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings

This is a just a curiosity question, although one that I've had for quite a while.



For those of y'all who like to look specifically at women with surgically-augmented faces and/or bodies . . . why?



No, I'm not asking about lust.

Neither am I asking for a debate on whether plastic surgery is a sin or not.

Nor am I discounting that some people have plastic surgery to offset effects of disease nor illness.




I'm simply curious as to why a man would find plastic beauty, in and of itself, appealing.

And, for those of you who do, does it mean that natural beauty is not appealing to you?
If so, why not?





Thanks & Blessings,
Sharon-Marie


I'm not trying to be vulgar but it all comes down to lust. Whether the woman looks good to me and she's plastic, a mixture or all natural she looks attractive. Men who like plastic women, like women. Men who like natural women, like women.

Some women like to improve some things with age, some do it because of their own vanity, to me as long as the woman is comfortable with her body it's all right with me.

We as Christians like to over spiritualize things from time to time, but to be honest it all comes down to lust, which isn't a sin. Lust just means desire. Most men are physically attracted to a woman before they know here character and some it grows over time. But lust in Christian marriage is a good thing, a great thing, a necessary thing.

Plastic is all right with me, as long as I dig it and she digs it.



rayofson -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/23/2008 12:01:18 PM)

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but to be honest it all comes down to lust, which isn't a sin.


Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/25/2008 10:40:17 PM)

I don't find any appeal in "plastic beauty". I like natural women, and prefer they don't even wear too much makeup. I want to know the real you, not the you that you think I want to know, which in my opinion includes all the augmentations that women make to their bodies.



9drtr -> RE: Plastic Beauty (6/26/2008 6:22:24 PM)

Another example of our inability to speak (or write) clearly.

BlackCapnHarlock, the word you're looking for is "attraction." It all comes down to attraction, which is not a sin. Lust is a sin.



willfs -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/1/2008 7:05:00 PM)

I don't know if I would like it or not. It just depends. Just because a guy likes the look of some woman who had plastic surgery doesn't mean he also wouldn't like her look if she had not had it. Women alter their appearance all the time with makeup, razors, hairgels, tweezers, creams, ...etc... I am not saying that Plastic Surgery isn't in a category by itself when it comes to alterations. I am just saying that no one says, "If you are one of those guys who likes women with shaved legs/short hair/no mascara...etc.. could you ever like a women without all that. Its just personal. I am sure no guy ever looks at a women and thinks "Mmmm.... plastic...lazor cut flesh... thats the way I like it." But he might like a women with a nose job when the uncut nose might have turned him off. Or the uncut nose might not have turned him off, he might just like her face in a different way. I think it would be the same in women: some "alterations" may help out how a certain women is attracted to a particular guy. Some "alterations" may not help. And some "alterations" may hurt his appearance in her mind.



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/1/2008 7:36:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willfs

I don't know if I would like it or not. It just depends. Just because a guy likes the look of some woman who had plastic surgery doesn't mean he also wouldn't like her look if she had not had it. Women alter their appearance all the time with makeup, razors, hairgels, tweezers, creams, ...etc... I am not saying that Plastic Surgery isn't in a category by itself when it comes to alterations. I am just saying that no one says, "If you are one of those guys who likes women with shaved legs/short hair/no mascara...etc.. could you ever like a women without all that. Its just personal. I am sure no guy ever looks at a women and thinks "Mmmm.... plastic...lazor cut flesh... thats the way I like it." But he might like a women with a nose job when the uncut nose might have turned him off. Or the uncut nose might not have turned him off, he might just like her face in a different way. I think it would be the same in women: some "alterations" may help out how a certain women is attracted to a particular guy. Some "alterations" may not help. And some "alterations" may hurt his appearance in her mind.
RE: the part of your post that I've blue-bolded . . . Actually, I have, with my own ears, heard some men say that they do indeed prefer "surgically-enchanced" women (to fit their perception of the "ideal woman"). I have also, over the past 7 years that I have participated in these forums, periodically read it here in various threads. Thus, the question.


RE: the part that I've green-bolded . . .What if you don't like her nose or her face and she doesn't want to get it surgically-enhanced?





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ORIGINAL: rayofson

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but to be honest it all comes down to lust, which isn't a sin.


Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Thanks, Ray! [sm=thumbsup.gif]



willfs -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/2/2008 2:26:46 AM)

Yeah. I returned to say that what I said isn't nessesarily what all guys think but what I think. I would like to think that it is the way most guys think. I can be shallow but I just don't think I would want her to correct anything with surgery. If I thought her nose was to big or her butt too flat I would never ask her to correct it and I don't think I would even want it. If something really bugged me enough to ask her too change (red flag there. do I really need to be dating her or even dating at all) I would want her too excercise or do it naturally if anything. If I found myself really wanting surgery I would serioulsy question if I should pursue a relationship with her. If I found myself wanting her to correct something and we were already married I would commit it to prayer and trust that God knows how to deal with things like that.

To the green part I would have to say that its the same way women think with guys. I heard a woman complain that her hubby had too big a gut. Does that mean she wants surgery? The same with guys. A guy might not like her nose. It doesn't mean he wants her to get surgery. You could take that with anything. My friend's jokes are way too dry. I am not every going to ask him to change for me. All of us have flaws. We notice them and can even be bugged by them. It doesn't mean they have to get rid of those flaws or we won't love/like them.

I dated a girl who had surgery. I was okay with it (except for the fact that she spent so much money for something that I didn't think was important). I guess to me its kinda like getting a short haircut as oppossed to a long hair cut or something like that. I might like it on her, I might not. In any case, I like to think that if I find the right girl it won't matter what she does. If she has a wierd birthmark: Who cares: its on her and I like her. If she ends up gaining wieght: Who cares. Its her wieght and I like her. If she gets in a huge accident and has disfigurement: Who cares. She is still the same person I chose to marry and I like her. If she decides to get corrective surgery: it was her choice, in a way, apart of who she is and I don't think it would cause me a lot of trouble.

As for guys who insist on plastic surgery. I dont know. Maybe they developed a taste for it through several things: being around women with many enhancements; telling themselves they deserve a woman like that; some perfectionistic idea of what a woman should look like; or something like that. I have heard that guys who get into a lot of porn start to expect that an attractive women will have an airbrushed, perfectly toned, perfectly tanned body. But I don't think you will find that many guys like that. If their are guys out their that insist on surgery then I wouldn't waste my time even worrying about why they think the way they do.



BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/5/2008 8:40:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rayofson

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but to be honest it all comes down to lust, which isn't a sin.


Matthew 5:27
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


He's talking about desiring adultery i.e. looking and saying, "I'll hit it!!." I'm talking about desiring women in general which men are supposed to do. Stop reaching.



BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/5/2008 8:44:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 9drtr

Another example of our inability to speak (or write) clearly.

BlackCapnHarlock, the word you're looking for is "attraction." It all comes down to attraction, which is not a sin. Lust is a sin.
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your love cuts like a knife into the darkest part of me.
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Thanks for the clarification . . . I still think in the semantical language I am correct. LUST can be replaced with desire. If you look upon a woman to desire her i.e. as I stated "I wanna hit that" then you are in adultery. If you look at a woman who has huge boobs and say, "Man she's got huge boobs" that's not lust. That's being observant and honest. Now if you dwell on that and your mind wanders then you are in sin.

So it my posturing it seems you are correct.



OneJohn410 -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/6/2008 12:46:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings

This is a just a curiosity question, although one that I've had for quite a while.

For those of y'all who like to look specifically at women with surgically-augmented faces and/or bodies . . . why?

No, I'm not asking about lust.

Neither am I asking for a debate on whether plastic surgery is a sin or not.

Nor am I discounting that some people have plastic surgery to offset effects of disease nor illness.

I'm simply curious as to why a man would find plastic beauty, in and of itself, appealing.

And, for those of you who do, does it mean that natural beauty is not appealing to you?
If so, why not?

Thanks & Blessings,
Sharon-Marie

WhiteRoseBlessings,
I read about the person A who was told by B that C had recently been enhanced. In that situation, A can easily know he's specifically viewing what he likes. That'll be case 1. Case 2, C notices A's attention, walks over and tells A she's been enhanced. Case 3, the only other way A can specifically view C's enhancement is to have known how she appeared beforehand, right? Then, A can view C and perhaps decide whether her Dr. P. Surgery knew what he was doing or not. That's it for viewing C in a general public place.

Ansewring in the negative to all those cases, I don't know if I've specifically found an enhanced woman I liked gazing on. Everyone's got their own appearance for certain. I've never heard of plastic surgery called plastic beauty before. Why I'd find it attractive in and of itself? Maybe I'm repeating someone else's thoughts. Though I can't envision heavily encouraging it be done, I must say if there's something someone really wants to do for herself that is going to offset the effects of disease, illness, or defeat insistent negative thinking about herself- and cause her to smile more and be more pleasant to be around- then that appeals to me.

It does not mean natural beauty is unappealing to me. It does not mean I'm going to be asking after women's physiques or yelling to them come tell me why you are so attractive by my gaze. In the right setting with Christian love and in a personal speaking voice, I might well comment that C is looking great that evening- when I know she's been in a terrible auto accident and has been through a lot.

OneJohn410



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Plastic Beauty (7/6/2008 10:20:54 AM)

Gentlemen, thank you all for your responses so far.


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Carl, I've never heard of plastic surgery being called plastic beauty neither . . .
it was just the catchy name I decided to use as the title for this thread
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BTW, some of y'all have been very nice in giving encouragements to not waste time on men who can't see past "plastic beauty"; I'm not sure if those encouragements were specifically directed toward me or if they were simply directed towards any woman; but first, thank you for the encouragements. Next, to set the record straight, I didn't start this thread for any personal reasons; I was simply curious about the whole thing.



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