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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 5:39:52 AM
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but what do they mean when they say 'his decent'?
So what do they mean when they say 'his decent'? Anyone, please?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 5:56:13 AM
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I'm not about to say that I think Obama is anti-Christ's lol,
Well I'm not going to sell the guy short...I think he fits the profile very well and if he wins this election he is very much a suspect in my book.
Bob
Hi Bob, thanks for your reply.
I think he fits the bill too don't worry! And I will be watching him close too!
I just say i'm not gonna commit a statement saying; 'I'm saying he 'is' the anti-Christ, because many times i've seen potentials where folks have been convinced and it hasn't been. Also, as the good word says, there have been and are 'many' anti-Christ's in the world. There are many that show themselves to have the nature of anti-Christ, and they seem to be real candidates.
I always think how those living during the rise of Hitler and how they must have seen him trying to build his world empire and destruction of the Jews and must have thought that he was the anti-Christ for sure. He was 'A' anti-Christ by his nature for sure, but 'THE' son of perdition was still to come.
I actually am getting real vibes towards him.
I think he is very manipulative in so many levels, and has obviously got an agenda very contrary to your constitution. He clearly despises God's word for the world, and no man can love Christ and slate the most powerful, world changing, kingdom principles teachings of Christ's sermon on the mount the way he has done.
I find it hard to believe that any true Christian can support him after he ridiculed our saviours sermon on the mount, and scoffed at God's law so openly.
It leaves the question for any believer, 'where do your loyalties lie'?
To a man that claims he can help the 'current' problems in your world (which is passing away), or to defend and love the words and kingdom of our saviour and God who gave us far more than empty promises based on rejection of God's laws. Shocking!
Ya see, i'm not at all involved with the passion of election day as i'm British, and just see the facts without getting upset or confused by each candidates policies that may or may not mean a lot to you. I just see the boastful, bloated words, the rejection of Christ in his words. The distain for God's law, and his ability to stir-up mens hearts with his scoffing words and empty promises.
He fits the bill alright! Time will tell! - But even if he isn't, he for sure is primed by Satan to fit in nicely, and prepare mens hearts to fit in nicely when the actual one arrives. But I think he, soon to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth has got to be a contender.
Thanks guys
Sonic
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 8:07:27 AM
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but what do they mean when they say 'his decent'?
So what do they mean when they say 'his decent'? Anyone, please?
"Decent" as in proper or adequate? or "Descent" as in his anscestry?
If it's "descent", I'm thinking you're referring to Obama's racial makeup. (???) He's half white and half black, as far as we can tell from what he will tell.  Probably, more importantly, he was raised as a Muslim but claims to be a Christian, again, as far as what he's divulged.
Is that any help or are you looking for something else?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 9:04:45 AM
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No that's great. I thought it might be referring to something else i am not familiar with regarding American election process. Apologies for my ignorance.
Thank you though.
Sonic.
By the way, who was Obama's minister that he rejected the teachings of recently?
Was he under him for years?
Was this minister supposed to be Christian?
What was it about his teachings that wasn't main-stream?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 10:26:50 AM
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he was raised as a Muslim
No, he wasn't. Neither of his parents were Muslim, and he was, at no point in his life, a Muslim himself.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 10:47:16 AM
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I can't remember off hand which church he belongs to. But I remember reading their articles of faith and they were about as liberal as you can get. Agreeing that homosexuality should be allowed in the church, and that acceptance that other faiths had validity and much more.
I struggle to see how anyone belonging to a set of beliefs like these can at the same time hold on to the single truth that the word of God is the same yesterday, today and forever! Or to the truth that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and that no man comes to the father but by Him.
I'll go and find out which denomination it was again. Once I found this out, I went straight to the denominations web site and read their articles of faith and that's what it said.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 1:26:45 PM
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Oh it's the UCC -
http://www.ucc.org
Having read their statements of faith, it becomes clear that they are clearly very liberal. They choose words in their statements very carefully as to give themselves freedom to exercise their liberal beliefs without actually, clearly violating basic christian beliefs.
Here are just a couple of statements which one needs to read between the lines. Having said that, some statements are 'in ya face';
We believe that all of the baptized 'belong body and soul to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. No matter who – no matter what – no matter where we are on life's journey – notwithstanding race, gender, sexual orientation, class or creed.
We are an "open and affirming" church where no one's baptismal identity can be denied because of his or her sexual identity.
The United Church of Christ (UCC) is an American Protestant denomination with a long history of fighting discrimination based on race, gender, and now sexual orientation and sexual identity. Being from the liberal wing of Christianity, they have tended to tackle matters of bigotry and discrimination long before many other denominations.
In 2005, the UCC became the first major Christian denomination in the U.S. to promote same-sex marriage. They confirmed this position in 2007.
Interfaith relations
Our commitment to relationship with all the peoples of the earth has led the United Church of Christ has entered into dialogue with other faith traditions.
"What does it mean to profess Christian faith in a world of many faiths?" "How can I be fully a Christian and at the same time respect the faith of others?" "What does it mean to be 'saved'?" "How do I interpret in an interfaith society the Bible verses that understand Jesus as 'the way'?" These are questions with which members of our congregations wrestle every day.
General Synod's commitment to interfaith dialogue is expressed in part through the Interfaith Relations Commission of the National Council of Churches. Through the NCC we have been able to connect with leaders of many non-Christian faiths. Other settings of the church are engaged in countless interfaith dialogues, projects and relationships. In many communities, UCC congregations join other churches in organizing coalitions with members of other faiths on issues of shared concern. Our commitment to understanding among faiths is also international: Many missionaries called by the Common Global Ministries Board are deeply involved in interfaith relationships—especially in societies where Christians are a minority.
In 1987 and 1989, General Synod adopted resolutions reinforcing our commitment to reconciliation with the Jewish and Muslim communities.
I just can't see the Obama's being strongly radical in their Christian statement of faith to uphold Christian beliefs in areas of Salvation in Christ as the only way to know God or be saved some how.
Well, I've seen that to be true already!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 2:24:05 PM
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Mercifully Obama seems to have very little support from the Church here in the states.
61% of the American people consider themselves to be conservative or very conservative so I’m still hopeful that reason will prevail.
Bob
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 3:16:57 PM
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You know Bob, I think I'd have to go back 30 years in the UK since I could find figures like that.
For the main, the majority of folks are in churches that are stuck on dead services with very little real teaching.
However, if you are really true concerning a real faith, you don't tend to attend churches like that. There are still always plenty of Baptist and non denominational churches alive, as well as a good few Methodist still preaching and teaching the truth.
Every now and then you even attend a Church of England church that is alive and kicking. I guess a lot depends on the pastor. But it's a shame that to the majority, church is somewhere to attend on Sunday that teaches you little, but makes you feel righteous.
Still, if you really are alive in Christ, there's still plenty of alive churches in every town, even in mine which is a tiny town from Manchester perspectives.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 4:44:37 PM
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I heard on Christian radio that people in Arab countries are calling their people who are citizens of the United States to vote for Obama. They must figure He will sell out Israel has soon as He gets a chance. I know that when I vote tomorrow He will not get my vote and every Christian everywhere should be on their face before God praying against His election. But no matter what, we all know God is really in charge and He even let Adolf Hitler take the stage for awhile.
Do you know what I find interesting, if you look back in the Old Testament (and correct me if I'm wrong) when Israel relied on another nation (instead of God) for it's protection or deliverance, that nation was destroyed or deterred from doing so. Maybe there is a stage being set...as most Christians believe we are in the last days, and "That Day" shall not come upon us unaware. When Jesus collects His Bride, it will not matter who is president. I'm not saying we shouldn't bother to vote, we must perform our civic duty...but God will work through or around any world leader to accomplish His purpose.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 5:20:17 PM
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Obama is not anti-christ.
I am Amazed that many christians have forgotten that God is the king maker-He raises up kings and also brings down the ones He is not pleased with, the Bible says. God is not partisan but He is independent and choses whomever He deems fit to accomplish His will. That He has chosen Obama to be the next President against the cries of against abortion right means that God has a different plan He want to accomplish. What we as christians should always do during election season is to enquire of of the Lord to know who He has chosen to be the next president of the United states. God promised in His word "Ask of me and I will show you things you don't know. And He also says that He never does anything without revealing it to His prophets. So if we are sincere about moral reasons for not voting for Obama, we should first consult the Lord to know who He has chosen and that's what I do every election season and have voted correctly with God and not against his will. So l"ean not on your own understanding but in ALL of yours ways (elections included) acknowledge Him and He will direct your path". Obama, from what the Lord showed me even from the early stage of the Primaries, is a divine choice, if you do not vote for Him your, vote will be against God's will.
Yours in Him,
Edu
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 5:32:22 PM
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Obama, from what the Lord showed me even from the early stage of the Primaries, is a divine choice, if you do not vote for Him your, vote will be against God's will.
Whooaaaa buddy, you had me until that point.
God has clearly laid it on your heart to vote for Obama, and I respect that. But that does not give you prerogative to tell any other Christian how to vote. There are very many people who feel convicted to vote for McCain because they feel he is a more godly choice. There are an even smaller number who feel led to vote for a 3rd party, like me, because that's the most God-honoring choice. Don't assume your gnostic-like knowledge determines what everyone else's vote must be. God uses every vote, not just the ones that line up with your will.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 5:36:09 PM
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Just a rough thout here. If Obama becomes our president he will, in attempt to allievate the economic issues, turn towards and begin playing a part building a one world currency and ultimatley a one world government probably headed by the European union. If you have listened closley to his speeches and debates he certainly carries undertones and a disposition of this.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 6:16:57 PM
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 6:56:54 PM
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Obama is not anti-christ.
I am Amazed that many christians have forgotten that God is the king maker-He raises up kings and also brings down the ones He is not pleased with, the Bible says. God is not partisan but He is independent and choses whomever He deems fit to accomplish His will. That He has chosen Obama to be the next President against the cries of against abortion right means that God has a different plan He want to accomplish. What we as christians should always do during election season is to enquire of of the Lord to know who He has chosen to be the next president of the United states. God promised in His word "Ask of me and I will show you things you don't know. And He also says that He never does anything without revealing it to His prophets. So if we are sincere about moral reasons for not voting for Obama, we should first consult the Lord to know who He has chosen and that's what I do every election season and have voted correctly with God and not against his will. So l"ean not on your own understanding but in ALL of yours ways (elections included) acknowledge Him and He will direct your path". Obama, from what the Lord showed me even from the early stage of the Primaries, is a divine choice, if you do not vote for Him your, vote will be against God's will.
Yours in Him,
Edu
That is one of the most dangerous comments I thing I have ever read. God promises he will direct 'your' path in life, who's directing Obama's is between himself and God.
So you seriously believe that God has ordained Obama and he is a divine choice? So Obama can openly mock our Lord's sermon on the mount, and God's law, and you believe the Lord is with him!
How dare you condemn people or pressure them into voting your way with spiritual black mail.
Well, I have to say, this comment has more than convinced me that Obama could well be the one, seeing how he has bewitched people. Yack.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 7:25:41 PM
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No, he wasn't. Neither of his parents were Muslim, and he was, at no point in his life, a Muslim himself.
It's true to an extent, however, his father was a non practicing Muslim
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 7:31:15 PM
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It's true to an extent, however, his father was a non practicing Muslim
No, he wasn't - any more than I am a non-practicing Catholic (not equating Catholics and Muslims here, just making an example) just because my father and his family were Catholic. His father was a practicing atheists who happened to be born into a Muslim family.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 7:51:02 PM
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LOL, that's what I meant by non practicing. He was brought up in a Muslim home, but did not practice it himself is all I meant. Not wanting to get into disagreement over words here.
God bless
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 8:11:24 PM
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I think you're on the right track Sonic...
Personally I think Obama leans a lot more towards the Muslim Religion that he does Christianity. He was educated in Muslin Theology up to a certain age, his association with those in the Muslim world is well documented. The Black Liberation Church he attended for 20 years is very close to the Muslim world and most of the Muslim world calls him a brother.
You can tell a man by his works and I'll just have to wait with baited breath to see how this shakes out.
Bob
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/4/2008 5:19:22 AM
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everybody vote for obama!!!!!!!!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/4/2008 6:47:49 AM
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You obviously have not read the content of this thread jrila LOL
You may as well have said 'I know many on here think Obama could well be anti-christ, but heck, vote for him anyway - Derrrrr LOL
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/4/2008 4:03:35 PM
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that's what I meant by non practicing. He was brought up in a Muslim home, but did not practice it himself is all I meant. Not wanting to get into disagreement over words here.
Understood. : ) Thanks for clarifying. I've known some people who use "non-practicing" in a way that implies that they really do ascribe to the religion, they just don't formally observe it. Sorry for the confusion!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/4/2008 4:06:29 PM
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Yep, I agree, I've seen it used meaning that too. Sorry for not being more clear bro'
Blessings to ya
Sonic
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/4/2008 5:21:44 PM
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I don't believe it's possible to determine who exactly THE anti-Christ is. When it happens, it will be out of our hands and in God's hands. It doesn't do us, as Christians, any good to even try to speculate who the ani-Christ is. The anti-Christ will come into power no matter what we do, and then his power will be defeated by Jesus.
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