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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 9/1/2008 1:07:50 PM
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Gloryandgrace
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I have a couple that I know who went to florida to see all this. I didnt really pay attention to it until another minister asked me about it, all I knew was the Bentley 'fall' that occured.
Now that I have had a chance to review the teachings of Todd I can see alot of truth and error mixed.
What appears to me is a whole generation of believers who have become inert in their christian walk. My observation is they are inert, they do not evangelise themselves, they do not train up or grow up other believers themselves and are simply bored. Therefore they enter into seeking more manifestations and power experiences. What has happened is a door has been opened to seeking and entertaining angels that have all the characteristics of being 'false' angels that start false movements like the Mormon church etc.
If you are still 'thirsty' for spiritual things outside of Christ, then you are not born of God.
He that cometh to me Jesus said with never thirst again.
I understand what it is to thrist after God Himself, but that thirst is not redirected to the seeking of angels, etc.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/1/2008 1:16:36 PM
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The fact of the matter is that the hunger isn't for God but for stuff. People want God to do stuff for them and perform like a stage magician. It sickens me to tell you the truth. Lw9 I agree with you so much. Is it a righteous godly hunger?
you do not know me or anything about me and I am sure for most Christians so for you to say that our hunger is for stuff is really a judgement statment against all people who believe in the prosperity message IMO....just for the record I do not want STUFF I want GOD and what HE has for me I really don't care what it is as long as it is from HIM and it defeats the enemy....
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/1/2008 1:50:49 PM
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teclilis,
Was he not speaking in general about those that flock to charlatans like Todd Bentley?
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/1/2008 9:29:41 PM
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teclils
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passing judgement is passing judgement....
next subject please
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/1/2008 9:34:41 PM
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passing judgement is passing judgement....
next subject please
so this isn't passing judgement
1 Cor 5:9 - 13 (ESV) 9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges£ those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 8:06:16 AM
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passing judgement is passing judgement....
next subject please
We're called to judge (test) all things in light of Scripture. So passing judgment is not always a bad thing, but again he was not directing his comments to you, so your offense is a little off.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 10:03:59 AM
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Excellent article on the aftermath of the Lakeland fiasco.
It focuses less on Bentley and more on the false apostles/prophets and other Latter Rain cult members that promoted and supported Lakeland.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 5:14:35 PM
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you people really need to read 1 cor 13 and 1 john Daily...
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 5:16:20 PM
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you people really need to read 1 cor 13 and 1 john Daily...
And this post of yours is loving how?
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 5:33:17 PM
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you people really need to read 1 cor 13 and 1 john Daily...
This passage is just before the Love Chapter
1 Cor 5:9 - 13 (ESV) 9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges£ those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
But this action resulted in this
2 Cor 2:5 - 11 (ESV) 5Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure—not to put it too severely—to all of you. 6For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, 7so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. 9For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. 10Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, 11so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/2/2008 5:47:28 PM
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Purge?
Not "loving" at all. Jesus coming against the preachers of his day? Not loving at all. Jesus taking a whip to the church vendors? Not loving at all.
Or was it? When you love someone you tell them truth. When you love God's Word and His people you will abhor falsehoods and lies about Him and His Word. You will abhor those that purposely steal and rape the faith and money of those that need Him.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 11:42:22 AM
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oh I see as long as I agree with what you all say and think then I am ok...otherwise what I beleive is truth is wrong thus you can say what you want about me ....interesting
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 12:51:40 PM
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LOL Cute Kat....your funny 
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 1:52:12 PM
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oh I see as long as I agree with what you all say and think then I am ok...otherwise what I beleive is truth is wrong thus you can say what you want about me ....interesting
No, I am asking you how your comments are loving. Can you not answer that?
You're admonishing us.. are we not both doing the same exact thing? I am admonishing fellow believers and unbelievers about false teachers and false prophets.
So how is your tactic any different? That is the question.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 2:02:56 PM
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I am just saying we as children of GOD need to remember to read 1 Cor 13 and 1 John on a daily basis...to remember to walk in love
also I do not feel that making harsh statments about a person no matter who it is ...is walking in love..this is not what HIS WORD teaches...
yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again. Test the spirit if it is not of GOD then leave it alone....
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 2:10:05 PM
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I am just saying we as children of GOD need to remember to read 1 Cor 13 and 1 John on a daily basis...to remember to walk in love
When you love you tell the truth. God's truth is not always pleasant, butterflies, and roses..
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also I do not feel that making harsh statments about a person no matter who it is ...is walking in love..this is not what HIS WORD teaches...
I can speak for myself and say that I make harsh statements about a person's teachings, claims and practices in light of Scripture. That is what HIS WORD teaches to do and for you to do as well.
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yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again.
As long as there are false teachings and such out there taking root in our church circles.. I will continue to obey God's Word.
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Test the spirit if it is not of GOD then leave it alone....
Where does it say that in Scripture? Where are the deadlines for when we're to allow false teachings in the name of Jesus to continue?
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 2:34:18 PM
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I will pm you Earthless
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 2:37:46 PM
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I rather continue this conversation on the board. Just an FYI - I respond to any and all PM's.. but I do not sustain a back and forth conversation via PM.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 2:40:37 PM
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I pm'd you because what I wanted to say has nothing to do with this topic
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 3:17:08 PM
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I responded back ...but not to keep the conversation going just some thoughts back to you...
Blessings to you!
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/3/2008 4:01:24 PM
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I am just saying we as children of GOD need to remember to read 1 Cor 13 and 1 John on a daily basis...to remember to walk in love
also I do not feel that making harsh statments about a person no matter who it is ...is walking in love..this is not what HIS WORD teaches...
yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again. Test the spirit if it is not of GOD then leave it alone....
Say I can say that someone is wrong and do it in love.
But drop kick Todd. Did kick someone in the area of the stomach and tell them they are healed now. Kind a leads me to believe how can pain bring forth a healing feeling when probably the next day the old boy had one heck of a black and blue area. 
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/4/2008 1:24:46 PM
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Excellent article on the aftermath of the Lakeland fiasco.
It focuses less on Bentley and more on the false apostles/prophets and other Latter Rain cult members that promoted and supported Lakeland.
Thanks, that was good.
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RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... - 9/4/2008 1:34:13 PM
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yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again.
While there are still thousands who would flock to him or the likes of him even after all that's happened, perhaps it is necessary to keep the discussion going.
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