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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 3:57:44 PM
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Well, since I started posting on this site, I've seen very little "testing things in light of Scripture".
So you have read all 84 pages of this thread and the other WoF related threads as well?
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I've seen more of "let me post things in the 'WOF' thread because I read someone's book on the 'WOF' movement." In fact, I've seen more opinions and non-supported statements coming from indoctrinated minds, than actual Scripture.
Really? That shows you have not read much of what has been posted. Many of us came from Word of Faith circles and many of us are still deeply entrenched with the actual movement in ways that makes most readers heads spin.
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I believe anything out of the Scriptures is Bible. You can call it whatever you like.
So you ignore context and proper hermeneutics? That's dangerous and leads to false teachings. So when Scripture says that Jesus is the door.. do you then believe Jesus is a literal wooden door with hinges and a knob? Hey, it's out of the Scriptures... right.. so it's Bible!
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I've heard this exhausted line many times. By the same token, you, Eartless, would be a false teacher. Your analogy of having no less than 100% accuracy in all things Scriptural would place you in the same light as a false teacher, because everything you posted on this website hasn't been 100% accurate.
Really? Please back up your charge by taking anything I have ever posted regarding the core essentials of biblical Christianity and please rebuke me, correct me, judge me in light of Scripture. Please feel free to create a thread dedicated to this pressing matter and I will be more than happy to answer any and all questions regarding such.
I look forward to it because no one is above reproach. Too bad the same is not true for the Word of Faith superstars.
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So, based from your own statement, you're unintentionally informing us that you're a false teacher as well. I guess I would start exposing you to reduce your 'foothold'.
Please do so, I welcome it. 
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:14:30 PM
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You say we dont use the bible to support our biblically based stances, yet when we do do so, you ignore what we post. If you are unable to actually face the truth, then I suggest that you leave this forum as you are intellectually incapable of holding a proper discussion on the facts at hand.
But let us get back to something. Saying Jesus died seperate from God is heretical. And based on that I have no problem, with full knowledge of the TOS, stating that the Jesus you say you worship is not the Jesus of the bible. Christ Jesus IS GOD! He is God in the flesh. As such, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Christ Jesus to be separated from God because He IS GOD! God has always and will always exist in His triune state. He ALWAYS is Father, Son, and Spirit. When Christ Jesus walked the earth, it was God walking on earth. At no time did He, that is Christ, exist with out the Father. To say Jesus died spiritually is to say that God can die. And that is NOT at all the case. Again, if you do believe that, you are not worshiping the TRUE savior, Christ Jesus. For your own words are in violation of biblical truth.
And again for words. To say that man can tell God is also a heretical notion. To place us, man, even close to the level of God, or to even suggest that we have power over Him, is heretical hogwash. As Paul said in Romans, "Who are you oh MAN to answer back to God?!"
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:15:24 PM
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Yep. Just about everything!
Awesome! Then that does not explain why you would say certain things about me learning about Word of Faith items through books and indoctrination when this thread contains large chunks of my personal testimony.
Hmm.. I guess those are the posts that you skipped. It happens.
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Earthless, stop it with these childless games. Clearly I was simply saying that anything printed in the Bible actually comes from...the Bible!
It's not childish when they are simply based off of your own statements. Context is key when reading any piece of writ. How much not more with God's Holy Word for all of mankind.
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Discussing context was not part of my statement.
It needs to be.
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In case you didn't notice, I already started to. But, for the sake of productivity, I withheld because you immediately made it clear that you are on a personal vendetta-fueled 'tirade' to expose anyone who would dare make a statement that contradicts your indoctrinated mindset, even if it means that you deny and reject Biblical concepts in order to make a 'point'.
After this, I will not be discussing anymore with you. It's a waste of my time.
Is this like the other day when you said the same thing? I don't see why you would take that stance with just me when you're:
a) new to these boards
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b) my posts are no different than the many other board members here that do the same
Something tells me you're not new around here. And please, you called me a false teacher, please show me why that is. I really do mean it when I say I am wide open for anyone to test my posts, rebuke me, correct me, etc with the Word.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:20:01 PM
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I did a study on what biblical "Prosper" would really mean
a few years back.
To my surprise, "May you prosper as your soul prospers,"
IS NOT about wealth, etc.
To biblically prosper is to "finish the task set before you."
But with decades of the brain washing false doctrines of WoF,
we continually "read things INTO the Scriptures" instead of
actually studying to see what the Scriptures actually do say.
The river flow is deep and wide, and to follow the truth will
be a swimming against the flow experience. The doctrines of
demons are down stream flowing with everyone enjoying the
ride. We have to swim upstream most of the time.
This is exactly what I'm talking about: No scriptural basis for anything in this post.
Just a statement uttered out of an indoctrinated mindset, dead set against 'proving' something against a group of people.
Sad, sad, sad.
Since you don't accept scriptural basis, none was offered.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:21:17 PM
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You leave home jogging. You jog a while and turn left.
You jog some more and turn left again. Then you jog
some more and turn left. Upon returning home you find
two masked men waiting for you.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:24:51 PM
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PS...
Proud to be directly indoctrinated by God Himself through the Spirits revelation of Scripture to me in my personal studies.
I actually am finding it HARD in seminary to keep an open mind to the new and different ideas that I may come across.
I also am having a tough time in my denomination (SBC) as I am possibly one of, if not the only reformed (Full 5-point Calvinist) non-cessationist (gifts of the Spirit are active today) with a pre-tribunal post-millenial view of eschatology. While the SBC has people of each of those groups, I have to say I am probably one of the only ones that holds to all three. Oh yea, I also respect many Catholic theologians of the past such as Ambrose of Milan, Augustine, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, ect. In addition to Reformers such as Luther, Calvin, and Zwingly. Into the Enlightenment with Jonathan Edwards and Charles Spurgeon. And today with people like John Piper, Ravi Zacharias, John MacArthur, Alistair Begg, and Sinclare Ferguson.
Indoctrinated by man? Ha...hardly. Praise be to God that HE has revealed Himself to me in Scriptures, and given me such great theological mentors to learn from and help with my walk.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:27:44 PM
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As Earthless already mentioned in regards to his personal testimonies which it looks like you over looked there RLBA. I too have given my testimony in regards to my personal experiences with the WOF movement. But again, like Earthless said, maybe you skipped those posts. People like you normally do as it blows your preconcieved ideas about us out of the water.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:28:27 PM
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Amen, Stephanos. The men of God you listed are excellent teachers of His Word.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 4:42:28 PM
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Amen, Stephanos. The men of God you listed are excellent teachers of His Word.
Thanks...
But lets compare my list to the WOF teachers....
Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Crefo Dollar, Todd Bentley, Joel Osteen, Marilyn Hickey, Jan and Paul Crouch, ect...
The comparisons are obvious.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 7/31/2008 11:46:33 PM
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as Ambrose of Milan, Augustine, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, ect. In addition to Reformers such as Luther, Calvin, and Zwingly. Into the Enlightenment with Jonathan Edwards and Charles Spurgeon. And today with people like John Piper, Ravi Zacharias, John MacArthur, Alistair Begg, and Sinclare Ferguson.
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Benny Hinn, Kenneth Hagen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Crefo Dollar, Todd Bentley, Joel Osteen, Marilyn Hickey, Jan and Paul Crouch, ect...
As the USMC is to the boyscouts
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 12:06:27 AM
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion...
On those teachers that are WOF etc. Its hard for others I think to see how what they could be teaching is wrong when they do actually say stuff that is right too. I know a friend was saying she watched Joel Osteen on God tv, and what he said was right, but then when I told her I don't think he is a good solid teacher, she couldn't really see why not.
And about prosperity.. its not like its evil to want to do good is it? I mean you can do well at your job which means you will be paid well I guess, and there is nothing wrong with that if you are giving all glory to God etc etc? Its the pursuing of these things above what's really important like growing to be more Christ like that is wrong isn't it?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 12:12:49 AM
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RealLifeBibleAnswers,
Alright dude or gal are you WOF or not. You are clearly supporting the heretical teaching that comes out of that camp yet you say you are not WOF. It's like a person saying I support a woman's right to choose but I'm not pro-choice.
Jesus DID NOT die spiritually.
Jesus is quoting Ps. 22. If you read the entire chapter you will see that He indeed was not forsaken.
If you look at the parallel account in Luke you see that Jesus gave up His spirit to the Father when He died.
Luke 23:46
46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last.
In that instance He quotes Ps. 31. If you read the entire chapter you will see what He is saying.
Once again you are taking 1 verse and building a theology on it. You are clearly not looking at the context.
How Matthew 27:46 shows that Christ died spiritually (which He didn't) is just not supported by anything in scripture. That verse doesn't say it, the immediate context does say it, nothing in the gospels say it, Paul's writings, nothing in the NT or the OT.
Also you have been accusing anyone that doesn't agree with you as being indoctrinated. I can speak for myself and tell you that no one thought me that we are not gods. Scripture is very clear what we are no such thing. What you are calling indoctrination is people simply looking at the immediate context and the full context of the entire biblical scripture.
Please if you think that we are all wrong and indoctrinated explain you stance. Don't just use one verse and say there look. You can support anything you want like that. Let me show you.
Leviticus 20:13 (New American Standard Bible)
13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Look it says that we should put to death homosexuals. Lets go. Who's coming?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 8:09:57 AM
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion...
On those teachers that are WOF etc. Its hard for others I think to see how what they could be teaching is wrong when they do actually say stuff that is right too.
Same could be said about Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses.
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I know a friend was saying she watched Joel Osteen on God tv, and what he said was right, but then when I told her I don't think he is a good solid teacher, she couldn't really see why not.
This is two-fold:
a) they are not aware of what said person has taught and teaches at certain junctions.
b) they are not fully equipped (1 Peter 3:15) with the Word of God to know a counterfeit when it appears on the horizon
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And about prosperity.. its not like its evil to want to do good is it? I mean you can do well at your job which means you will be paid well I guess, and there is nothing wrong with that if you are giving all glory to God etc etc? Its the pursuing of these things above what's really important like growing to be more Christ like that is wrong isn't it?
This issue goes FAR beyond just an issue of being financially prosperous or not. I do not associate poverty with piety and vice-versa. In 1980 Harvest House published a book by Larry Parker entitled We Let Our Son Die. The book tells the tragic story of how Larry and his wife - after being influenced by one of America's numerous Word of Faith teachers - withheld insulin from their diabetic son, Wesley.
Predictably, Wesley went into a diabetic coma. The Parkers, warned about the impropriety of making a "negative confession," continued to "positively confess" Wesley's healing until the time of his death.
Even after Wesley's death, the Parkers - undaunted in their "faith" - conducted a resurrection service instead of a funeral. For more than one year following their son's death, they refused to abandon the "revelation knowledge" they had received through the Word of Faith movement. Eventually, they were tried and convicted of manslaughter and child abuse.
Many other similarly tragic stories could be recounted. And yet, the carnage unleashed by this movement is not limited to physical death. Literally thousands are swallowing the spiritual cyanide dispensed by the word-faith teachers, leading to the shipwreck of their faith in God.
Much has been written over the past few years about the New Age movement and the threat it poses to historic Christianity. As real as this threat is, I have become equally concerned about the ominous threat that the Word of Faith movement poses to the body of Christ. If the New Age movement is the greatest threat to evangelical Christianity from without, I believe the Word of Faith or positive confession movement may well be considered its greatest threat from within.
No doubt many believers will contend that in writing about this subject, I am doing nothing more than splitting theological hairs. Yet the extent of the controversy is not merely an honest doctrinal difference among orthodox believers; it rather entails a confrontation between the gospel preached by the Lord Jesus Christ and another gospel.
Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart! I have overcome the world" (John 16:33). In sharp contrast, the Word of Faith teachers promise unlimited health and wealth to believers who can conjure up their brand of faith.
Jesus exhorted His followers not to "labor for that which perishes" but to "labor for that which is eternal" (John 6:27). The prosperity gospel, by contrast, encourages Christians to focus on what they can receive from Christ in the here and now.
Much so-called Christian TV and radio programming today panders to what peoples' "itching ears" want to hear: the promise of earthly gain. Over and over again we hear the testimonies of businessmen who "turned on to" Jesus and saw their businesses double, or atheletes whose statistics improved as a result of their faith formulas and Christ.
Sacrifice and service have been traded in for self-fulfillment and self-aggrandizement.
And while there is an element of reality in the message (faith is essential to effective prayer; Christ does meet our needs), sadly, the emphasis renders it merely the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie.
Christ has become merely a means to an end, and believers are induced through slick Madison Avenue manipulation to come to the Master's table, not to experience fellowship and intimacy with the Master, but to enjoy what is on the Master's table. In sharp distinction to this message, the Jesus of the Scriptures is not a means to an end, He is the end (Philippians 3:7-8).
Jesus predicted for His followers poverty, rejection, and persecution. His disciples were willing to face the tyrant's brandished steel, the lion's gory mane, and the fires of a thousand deaths because they knew that they were not of this world. They were merely pilgrims and sojourners in a foreign land. Perhaps Charles Haddon Spurgeon said it best: "The Old Covenant was a covenant of prosperity, the New Covenant is a Covenant of Adversity whereby we are weaned from the present world and made fit for the world to come."
In Hebrews 11, often referred to as the "Faith Hall of Fame," we read of those who were commended for their faith, yet were destitute, persecuted, imprisoned, and suffered torturous deaths. These men and women set examples for us, and yet their lives were characterized more by perseverance than by prosperity.
Certainly, this message will not sell well in a self-indulgent age. Nonetheless, we had better be glad that our heavenly Father decides what is best for us and not we ourselves, because only He truly understands what we need and what we can handle. One shudders to think of what would happen if God gave us everything we clamored for.
I do not wish to be misunderstood: I believe in divine healing and in God's provision for every detail of our lives. In addition, I do not associate piety with poverty. I thank God for those He has prospered who are dedicated to using their resources for the extension of His Kingdom.
But for the Word of Faith teachers, healing and prosperity became so important that they had to find some way to guarantee them, and they did this by exalting man's faith at the expense of God's sovereignty. Thus, they developed the doctrine that God created the world out of nothing by faith, and that He created men as "little gods" to exercise the same kind of faith. Faith therefore becomes a powerful force that gets results, whether in the hands of a believer or a nonbeliever.
On the basis of this virtual deification of human faith, the purveyors of the word-faith message promise health and wealth to those who exercise faith in their faith rather than faith in their God. As has been well said elsewhere, faith is only as good as the object on which it is placed.
Walter Martin used to say, "All faith is subsumed under the overarching biblical doctrine of the sovereignty of God." The Creator is the Lord of the universe, not a cosmic "gofer" at the beck and call of His creation. It is not our faith that sits on the throne, but our sovereign God (1 Chronicles 29:10-12).
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 8:34:12 AM
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion...
On those teachers that are WOF etc. Its hard for others I think to see how what they could be teaching is wrong when they do actually say stuff that is right too.
It's not necessarily about right or wrong. It's about comparing and testing it against the written Word of God. Besides, most of the ingredients in rat poison is harmless, it's that very small percentage that kills the rat. The few things that teachers in the WoF cult say that may be "right" cannot make up for the poison they are spewing.
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I know a friend was saying she watched Joel Osteen on God tv, and what he said was right, but then when I told her I don't think he is a good solid teacher, she couldn't really see why not.
Then she needs to become more familiar with God's word. If she was, she would realize in 5 minutes that Joel Osteen, as well as most of the other teachers in the WoF cult fail the test against Scripture.
When someone says that to me, I immediately show them how their teaching does NOT line up to Scripture
But then again that's why these pulpit pimps have such large followings and rake in big bucks. There are far too many biblically illiterate people out there that would rather have their ears "tickled" than hear the true and holy Word of Almighty God!
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 11:31:13 AM
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You know something I have realised in the blonde girl who has a penthouse in New York, NY and a place in San Antionio, TX. Is crying to the people who watch some thing different today. That we are to help each other times of trouble. Okay Paula practice what you preach and start to life a modest lifestyle.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 11:55:55 AM
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You leave home jogging. You jog a while and turn left.
You jog some more and turn left again. Then you jog
some more and turn left. Upon returning home you find
two masked men waiting for you.
If you didn't know what the conclusion to this was, you were brainwashed.
How? Because the way something is said prints an image on our minds.
Then we view everything by that image.
The things that "sound right" make images on our minds and then we
are duped from that time on by the dupers. WoF; evolutionists; cults; etc.
Evolutionists do it by starting everything with "millions of years ago."
Then, even the Bible has to conform to that image.
I just gave an image of leaving your home in jogging shorts to find two
criminals at your house when you arrived.
Just as those who "know" the Word of God, they would be compared to
Baseball Players in my illustration. They would know right off that it's
a baseball diamond and the two masked hombres are the catcher and
the umpire. But, without the foundational knowledge, we view everything
in our jogging shorts.
How you form your words out of context is the way we manipulate the
listeners. WoF "quote" lots of scriptures, but the context prove it to be a
lie they are spewing.
Most cults have some sort of regard for "Jesus." But the Jesus in the
Bible is the one and only path to God. Not an "addition" to the gods and
ideologies of the cult.
To compare the Copeland's, etc. as marines and the true teachers as
boyscouts just shows what viewpoint everything is being seen through.
The Boyscouts are honored, but the Marines have been misrepresented, again.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 11:59:57 AM
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Might be a bit of a tangent, and yes the enemy is a work. I have an interesting quote from a friend's Rabbi (He goes to a messianic fellowship)
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Rabbi Stan recently said this in one of his sermons: “A person - or a demon - does not need to be with you to control you. All they need to do is teach you something that sinks in and that you conform your life around, and from that moment on, whoever taught you that is in control of your life, even if you never meet them again.”
I just lifted this from another thread. Seems to fit this one too.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 12:13:09 PM
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Rabbi Stan recently said this in one of his sermons: “A person - or a demon - does not need to be with you to control you. All they need to do is teach you something that sinks in and that you conform your life around, and from that moment on, whoever taught you that is in control of your life, even if you never meet them again.”
Too much of this is increasingly evident within the Judeo-Christian movement. We have exchanged, each in different ways, the truth of God for lies, and we will not go unpunished if we do not repent of it, cast off the deception, and re-embrace truth.
Unfortuantely, I believe that in too many congregations, the lies are so embedded, so sunk-in, that most of the people who attend these churches would not know the genuine experience of fellowship with the Almighty from the counterfeit, because they’ve never experience the genuine.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 3:14:14 PM
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Odeliya
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I actually am finding it HARD in seminary to keep an open mind to the new and different ideas that I may come across.
Hi Stephanos, would you mind elaborating on this ? i am curious to know the opinion of actual seminary student (or teacher?) Why is it so? I go to secular school and noticed that ultra liberalism that dominates it paradoxically limits the opnemindedness and freethinking.
I thought modern seminaries should be encouraging critical approach and open mindedness. What hinders the views there? unnesessary dogmatism or so?
I think it's pertaining to general topic of indoctrination that WOF essentialy is, but if the answer is beyond the scope of the thread, plz PM. thanks
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Proverbs XI:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 3:16:11 PM
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Odeliya
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
“A person - or a demon - does not need to be with you to control you. All they need to do is teach you something that sinks in and that you conform your life around, and from that moment on, whoever taught you that is in control of your life, even if you never meet them again
speaking of the devil! yeap. Just what i meant to say about educational system in the post above, thanks Lap.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 3:21:09 PM
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Stephanos
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ORIGINAL: Odeliya
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I actually am finding it HARD in seminary to keep an open mind to the new and different ideas that I may come across.
Hi Stephanos, would you mind elaborating on this ? i am curious to know the opinion of actual seminary student (or teacher?) Why is it so? I go to secular school and noticed that ultra liberalism that dominates it paradoxically limits the opnemindedness and freethinking.
I thought modern seminaries should be encouraging critical approach and open mindedness. What hinders the views there? unnesessary dogmatism or so?
I think it's pertaining to general topic of indoctrination that WOF essentialy is, but if the answer is beyond the scope of the thread, plz PM. thanks
Well..I was being some what sarcastic in that remark. But in truth it goes back to the fact I am a 5 point Calvinist, a non-cessationist, and hold to a pre-mil/post-trib view of eschatology. I kid you not when I say I am one of, if not the only Southern Baptist who believes like that. I was making a joke about that, and I am sorry if I was mis understood.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 4:06:35 PM
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Odeliya
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My question had nothing to do with your personal beliefs whatsoever.
Your anwer is totally unrelated to what i said. Sorry. Just forget it.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 8/1/2008 6:48:10 PM
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion...
On those teachers that are WOF etc. Its hard for others I think to see how what they could be teaching is wrong when they do actually say stuff that is right too.
It's not necessarily about right or wrong. It's about comparing and testing it against the written Word of God. Besides, most of the ingredients in rat poison is harmless, it's that very small percentage that kills the rat. The few things that teachers in the WoF cult say that may be "right" cannot make up for the poison they are spewing.
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I know a friend was saying she watched Joel Osteen on God tv, and what he said was right, but then when I told her I don't think he is a good solid teacher, she couldn't really see why not.
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