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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/22/2008 6:07:01 PM
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peculiar_lady2
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You didn't misunderstand the first one. I just didn't say it right the first time. :)
It was the race of the victim, not just the race of the person who did the killing.
Yeah, got it now...that I agree can happen, esp in certain areas. Where I grew up it does still happen unfortunately. It is very very racially divided there.....in fact one town in the county I grew up in (a county of only three small towns mind you) was on Montel Williams and Geraldo and a few other big name "talk shows" that were on at the time, because the town refused to let "blacks" live there. They were going to lose all state funding over it, so the city "allowed" it. One brave older gentleman moved in and with a week was murdered. It grew into a huge stink because of that...led to a bunch of KKK rallies two blocks from our house (we lived right behind the county court house). Even now (nearly 20 years later) I know black friends that won't even drive on the interstate through that town to get to the big city on the other side. They would rather take twice as long and go another way (it's kind of like a triangle with three cities...in fact it's call the "golden triangle" area....anyway, where I grew up is one point, big city is another point, racist town is between the two...but a lot of people will drive through the third point city just to get to the big town because of this one town's reputation).
Anyway...all that to say, I do agree that in certain areas (like where I grew up, and probably where you live) it is racial motivated or possibly political that this sort of thing happens. Sad really, because red, black, white, yellow...all are human lives lost in a horrendous way (in the case of murder) and there needs to be an equality of sorts in the justice of that life's worth as far as the court system goes.
how's that for a long and completely boring post...does it rival Jeanie's posts yet? hehehe
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/22/2008 6:16:43 PM
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1. If I wanted to make a contribution or 'foster' a child why wouldn't I do it for a child here in my own country? Why do I have to put my money towards taking care of another country's problem?
I signed up years ago to sponsor a child through World Vision. I got very upset with the way they handled it and with World Vision in general and decided to put the money into a local, inner-city children's ministry.
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2. If 27,000 children die from starvation due to lack of resources in their area... is that not the earth running some population control? In order for some to live, some must die. ?
If you are an evolutionist and believe whole-heartedly in the concept of survival of the fittest, this argument makes a lot of sense. But Jesus made it very clear that we are to look after those who are weak, helpless, less fortunate than we are. Yes, we have many needy children in North America who need help but there are already many organizations, including some connected to various levels of government who also help.
Starvation and famines in other countries are often not "the earth running some population control," but engineered famines from those in power. Sudan is an example of this. Those in Southern Sudan are being intentionally deprived of food by the Muslims of the north who are in power. The southern Sudanese are not Muslim, but Christian and animist and the enforced famine is a way of controlling them to do what those in power want.
The Ukraine went through something similar many decades back. Thousands of Ukrainians left their homeland for Canada because of famine. Why? The Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe! Why was there famine there? The Russian government was taking all the food that was grown and manufactured out of the Ukraine to feed it to the Russians.
There are many, many refugee camps around the world, mostly in third-world countries. These people flee for their lives from their own countries. Where do they go? How do they provide for themselves? They can't. They left their homes with what they could carry and probably used what money and/or valuables they had to get themselves out of the country. They are destitute. Who's going to feed them?
I think of friends of ours who escaped from Vietnam. They bought a boat to escape the country, were attacked by pirates and lost everything. They eventually made it to a refugee camp in Hong Kong where they stayed two years before coming to Canada. Mom was either pregnant or had just given birth when they fled the country and there were three other children, the parents and a grandfather. How were they to survive if people didn't give donations?
In Kenya and other African countries, AIDS has wiped out a good portion of the adult population and so there are many orphanages. In Kenya, there are whole villages where there are no adults, only children who parent each other. Where are the resources to help these kids?
The Christian organizations who invite child fostering do it because they want to bring people to Christ but how can you go into a village and talk about Jesus when you are well-fed and they are dying of starvation? It's contradictory.
What are your obligations? You have none, except your obligation to Jesus Christ. He said, "Let the little children come to me and don't forbid them, for of these is the kingdom of heaven." He used the Samaritan as an example of what a neighbour is. The Samaritans were from what used to be a different country until the Romans began to rule. They were completely different people in different places and they were enemies of the Jews. Yet Jesus praised the Samaritan for helping the wounded Jew even though the Samaritan had no obligation to do so. He even paid for the man's care out of his own pocket. I think Jesus gave us that example for a reason and that reason may apply to your question.
Good questions, by the way. I think it's an important thing to grapple with and answering you helped me solidify some of my own ideas on the matter.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/22/2008 7:55:01 PM
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The way I see it is people are people and it doesn't matter where they're from or why they live there. If they need help, they need help, and if I can help them, why shouldn't I? I think different people are called to different things though.
My thoughts exactly! 
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 12:35:50 AM
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...what are my obligations?
Your only obligation is following what the Lord is leading you to do.
Personally, my heart mostly leans toward helping the needy in my own community. Other people have a heart for missions in faraway lands. Still others are led to help those struggling with addictions. On and on.
God knows what he's doing. Just listen to him, he'll let you know where he wants you to serve, and in what way.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 1:38:50 AM
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While you are praying for Leah, the pregnant woman whose husband was killed (that Tammyisblessed's relatives know), please also pray for:
Pam and Nick. Newlyweds as of 3 weeks ago. Pam is a friend of mine, Nick is an electrician who who was electrocuted today and fell 25 feet to the ground. HE IS ALIVE, burned, but able to talk (when not sedated).
Please pray. My friend is at the hospital right now. I asked if she wanted me to come but she wants me to stay with the baby (it's midnight here).
Please, please pray for these two.
Thank you.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 1:58:21 AM
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I know, Crys. Can you even imagine what she is going through? I know Donna can, but oh my goodness.
Anybody have any Bible verses I can share with her/them that might be encouraging? FYI, Pam said he does know who he is and they think his brain, back and heart are okay.
I told her Isaiah 41:13 which is one of my favorites: "For I, the Lord your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, Fear not, I am the one who helps you."
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 2:08:17 AM
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I just said a prayer for them Jeanie. How sad. Are they Christians?
I don't know any verses off the top of my head but all the ones about Him being our ever present need in trouble, upholding us with His right hand etc.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 7:35:10 AM
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Pam and Nick. Newlyweds as of 3 weeks ago. Pam is a friend of mine, Nick is an electrician who who was electrocuted today and fell 25 feet to the ground. HE IS ALIVE, burned, but able to talk (when not sedated).
Oh Jeanie! That is awful! Please keep us updated on how they are doing. How is Pam coping?
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Pam said he does know who he is and they think his brain, back and heart are okay.
Thank you, God, for THAT! I'll be thinking of what passages of Scripture might be helpful and if any come to mind, I'll let you know. We just never know what way our lives are going to turn, do we? Wow.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 8:18:12 AM
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I will certainly pray, Jeanie! Praise God his mind, heart, and back are okay! He's burned...do you know if he broke a lot of bones in the fall?
This is the passage Sharon (awed) put on a picture of Brian's car...
"Because he loves me," says the Lord, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him." ~Psalm 91:14-15
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 9:30:45 AM
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Oh, wow, Jeanie. I will pray. Yes, Psalm 91 is wonderful. I also find Job 38-39 very comforting when things are falling apart. Especially 38:4-6. Reminds me of who understands everything when I do not.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 10:52:01 AM
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when a stranger (in an unmarked and indistinguishable 18 wheeler...she thinks it was an angel) kicked the gas can out of the way and pulled her out, putting out the flames.
Those kinds of stories give me the chills. (good chills). Two of my teenage cousins rolled their cars in separate accidents over the past year. In different states. Each one had the same experience immediately after the accident. A man immediately approached the car, found their cell phone, asked who they could dial for them, gave them the phone, made sure they were OK, then completely disappeared. Wow!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 10:55:24 AM
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Not to derail but I have a thought I want feedback on..
This may sound cruel to some so please don't flame me or get evil towards me, it's simply a thought process I'm in the middle of and want input on.
I was watching tv this morning, Rachael Ray to be exact, and a commercial came on for Christian Children's Fund. On the bottom it was scrolling 'stats' on starvation, it said 27,000 children will die tonight from starvation but I can help make a difference.
Two things bug me on this front.
1. If I wanted to make a contribution or 'foster' a child why wouldn't I do it for a child here in my own country? Why do I have to put my money towards taking care of another country's problem?
2. If 27,000 children die from starvation due to lack of resources in their area... is that not the earth running some population control? In order for some to live, some must die. ? My husband is in part to 'blame' for this second train of thought, he's mentioned it time and time again when we see these commercials. I guess I've picked up the idea from him.
I do want to add that in a situation where my spouse or myself were from one of these countries then YES I would donate/sponsor/whatever, but if neither myself or my spouse are, what are my obligations?
I'm not saying the two above statements/questions are my views to any solidifying degree, they have been rolling around in my head for a while now.
You know, I struggled with the same thing for the longest time. My church is HUGE in foreign missions but doesn't really talk about local missions (although we are involved in that as well). I was talking to my dad about it and he basically said the same thing that everyone else said: We are to seek those for the Kingdom of Heaven and it doesn't matter if they are here or over there. If you would rather work with something in this country then that's what you need to do. If you feel lead to do something for those overseas then do that.
Please don't let anyone guilt you into one or the other. I hate when people do that.  *huggles*
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 10:57:25 AM
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Pam and Nick. Newlyweds as of 3 weeks ago. Pam is a friend of mine, Nick is an electrician who who was electrocuted today and fell 25 feet to the ground. HE IS ALIVE, burned, but able to talk (when not sedated).
Praying, Jeanie. We had a similar situation happen with a man from our church when I was younger. He is alive and kicking now, but definitely only by the grace of God.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 11:12:24 AM
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when a stranger (in an unmarked and indistinguishable 18 wheeler...she thinks it was an angel) kicked the gas can out of the way and pulled her out, putting out the flames.
Those kinds of stories give me the chills. (good chills). Two of my teenage cousins rolled their cars in separate accidents over the past year. In different states. Each one had the same experience immediately after the accident. A man immediately approached the car, found their cell phone, asked who they could dial for them, gave them the phone, made sure they were OK, then completely disappeared. Wow!
yeah me too!!!! I didn't put it up there, but the man was very nondescript....no one could describe him beyond a white t-shirt and jeans an sorta greying hair. Avg height, avg weight....no marking AT ALL on his rig or trailer. He pulled her out, put out the flames, and "seemed to disappear" according to those around. The troopers tried to find him (it took place in the interstate) and never could find him. I wouldn't doubt at all if it were really an angel.
The accident took place because she was cut off in the rain, so when someone cut her off she hydroplaned, lost control, and happened to be on an overpass when it happened. So she rolled down the embankment (thank GOD she didn't go off the middle of the overpass). A wire on the undercarriage of the overpass caught on her gas tank ripping it out and making it catch on fire.
my mom tells two stories of what she believes to be unseen angels or God protecting us ......
she and a friend and all us kids were stuffed into a small car (this was before seat belt laws...lol) up in the mountains (TN...windy curves). The lady driving wanted to save gas, so she thought putting the car into neutral would do it. Instead what it did was lock the wheel. My mom remembers driving off the cliff and feeling like they were floating on air, then the can going into reverse back to the road...all on it's own.
Another encounter was in the same mountains...but with my dad (and us kids). They were winding a curve when they noticed an 18-wheeler on the wrong side of the road coming too fast around a curve. It happened so fast my dad didn't have time to react. Next thing she knew (like the next second) they were on the other side of the truck like they had already passed him.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 5:42:07 PM
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Wow! I love these stories of the miraculous.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 10:57:41 PM
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Not to deviate from the current topics...I just thought of this.
At my old high school, they're making the students write down all of their websites so that they the administration can monitor them. So, they'll have to write down facebook, myspace, etc. I asked a friend how they'll even do that... when most would just make theirs friends-only, etc. I think a lot of them do that now, just to avoid strange people contacting them and such. But then that friend told me that they've forced students to go into some room and log onto a computer and show them everything on their accounts (by "force," I mean they had to do it or be suspended). They don't have a computer lab, so I'm not sure where this room is, unless it was in the school office (teachers don't have offices or computers there). I know it got worse after I graduated (my friend just graduated from there this past May). I know they've started enforcing their rules when they randomly see students off campus now, when they'd not done it a ton when I was there (although they did a bit...just because I remember a girl getting detention because a teacher saw her in wal-mart with her mom wearing culottes instead of a skirt).
Is there any point at which a school can become too invasive (in your opinion)? If so, where is the line?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 11:23:32 PM
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The law said you could eat any animal that had both a cloven hoof AND chewed its cud. Pigs have the cloven hoof that cows do, for example, but they don't chew their cud, therefore, under Levitical law, pork was considered unclean (as were shellfish and other things). There are still some Christians who follow these laws, not believing that the vision Peter had, when the net of unclean animals was lowered and he was told to not call unclean what God had made clean was literally about food and not just about interacting with Gentiles.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 11:44:58 PM
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I'm so gonna get it for this .. but...
do those of you who follow that particular idea also follow the rest of Levitical laws?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 11:48:30 PM
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In regards to my earlier child sponsorship question..
I don't really know where I stand, I guess I'm being told/led to help the local folks since my reaction is so strong that we should our own first, meaning getting our country in order as best we can before helping other countries.
And I guess to an extent I do believe along some lines of evolutionary thinking in that if an area cannot sustains it population due to true area deficiency, such as NATURALLY occurring famines/droughts/etc then I see it as an unavoidable 'cleansing' so to speak. I also though think that in this day and age where we have so much technology that it's really awful not to share it and help in those areas..
I guess it's safe to say I'm pretty torn on it all. I really do hate those guilt trip laying commercials though. bleh.
I had more but it's gone from my brain right now.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/23/2008 11:50:01 PM
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It's not a law thing for us, it's a health thing. I thought I made that clear, sorry.
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