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RE: body piercings - 7/7/2008 10:52:36 PM   
faroukfarouk


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colliefan:

Oh okay! I see.

But you agree that, as you say, 'in today's culture, it's just jewelry'.

Also, I guess some young guys would be so keen to have it done that they might even try to do it with an unsterile needle front of the mirror, rather than in a professional, hygienice environment. So would that factor influence your thinking at all, if your son definitely wanted his ears pierced?

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Does your husband have pierced ears, and do you have a son with pierced ears, or would you let a son, or encourage a son, to pierce his ears?


Despite my femine sounding moniker, I am a single guy. If I had a son I would discourage it, the decision would be up to him. One reason I don't like it in guys is due to my prison ministry experience. In the prison culture, pierced ears indiacted if I one was "avialable" or "taken"; an earning in the left ear meant one was taken and one in the right ear meant one was "available." In today's culture, its just jewelry.

A bluetooth in one's ear and one walking around as if one is talking to himself is another story. But I am just a curmudgeon.


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RE: body piercings - 7/7/2008 10:56:11 PM   
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TheRefinersFire:

Okay, fine.

Of course in the Bible some women wore nose rings (eg, Rebekah in Genesis, Zion in Ezekiel 16.12, etc.)

As for the down below piercings, you're unlikely to know about those anyway.

I'm not sure we need to make a sweeping statement about all piercings other than ears, but anyhow.

Take care.

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Here's my opinion on the subject.
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When a female gets her ears pierced no one says a word but let her get something else pierced an she is bound for hell.
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Getting ears pierced is on thing, they make a woman look good. Getting eyelids, cheeks, lips, nose, forehead, genitals, belly buttons, tongue, etc. pierced makes you appear to not be comfortable with yourself. It also gives a bad impression. You know, like what was mentioned above, the "alternative lifestyle" of drug use or promiscuity. Those immediately come to mind when I see body piercings.

In my opinion, men and women look better natural -- just the way God made us. But clothed, of course.


< Message edited by faroukfarouk -- 7/7/2008 11:03:13 PM >


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RE: body piercings - 7/7/2008 11:04:21 PM   
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So would that factor influence your thinking at all, if your son definitely wanted his ears pierced?


The only "children" I have are my dogs so the point is moot. If I did have a son, and he was under 16 I would not give my permision to have his ears pierced. If was 16 or older, I would agree provided he earned the money for the piercing and it could only be one ear. I guess I would be a horrible and mean father.

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RE: body piercings - 7/7/2008 11:29:15 PM   
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colliefan:

LOL, "horrible and mean", of course you wouldn't be.

Some parents regard boys earrings under 18 as no-nos, so if your son pierced his ear at 16 with your at least tacit blessing, you wouldn't be acting in a severe way. If he knew before 16 that he could go to the parlor then, it also give him sth to look forward to, I guess, RIGHT??

Of course, it's the 'inner man' of which Paul speaks to the Ephesians, which is the main aspect to cultivate by faith.

But "horrible and mean"? LOL, no way!

Take care.

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So would that factor influence your thinking at all, if your son definitely wanted his ears pierced?


... If I did have a son, and he was under 16 I would not give my permision to have his ears pierced. If was 16 or older, I would agree provided he earned the money for the piercing and it could only be one ear. I guess I would be a horrible and mean father.


< Message edited by faroukfarouk -- 7/7/2008 11:36:23 PM >


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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 8:55:23 AM   
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A primer about me 1st; I was raised into the Catholic faith- which frowns (to say the least!) on any type of tat's/most body piercings. I got out of the Church, and fell to the wayside for quite awhile. Then in the mid-90's I got involved w/ the Free Methodist Church- to which I am still at. During that time my eldest daughter had mentioned that she wanted tto get tats/piercings after she was 18- she was strictly fobidden to get them earlier by me, well- except for ac ouple of piercings I allowed when she turned 16- but I am getting a lil' a head of my self there- lol.

About 10 yrs ago, my interest into whether tats/piercings were Biblically correct or not came to a head. I looked, searched, etc. on anything/everthing that there practically was in reference to this topic - most notably in like of - "Do not do as the Heathen do in marking the body, with piercing and lacerating the body" (or something like that!. Well, after a few months of praying, searching, etc about it- I finally got the gumption up- and went to ask a Minister about it. Mine, of course- was out of town, so I went to another Minister (Baptist), who I hold in the same regard (trustworthy).

To make it short - we came to an agreement, that what God is talking about in Deut. (?) and others, about piercings/tats was a whole different ball-game- than now. Although they could lead to someone into the sin of vanity, which most- probably aren't.


-charles
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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 9:31:50 AM   
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19ramman85:

Hi, so did your daughter (or you) get any, in the end?



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A primer about me 1st; I was raised into the Catholic faith- which frowns (to say the least!) on any type of tat's/most body piercings. I got out of the Church, and fell to the wayside for quite awhile. Then in the mid-90's I got involved w/ the Free Methodist Church- to which I am still at. During that time my eldest daughter had mentioned that she wanted tto get tats/piercings after she was 18- she was strictly fobidden to get them earlier by me, well- except for ac ouple of piercings I allowed when she turned 16- but I am getting a lil' a head of my self there- lol.

About 10 yrs ago, my interest into whether tats/piercings were Biblically correct or not came to a head. I looked, searched, etc. on anything/everthing that there practically was in reference to this topic - most notably in like of - "Do not do as the Heathen do in marking the body, with piercing and lacerating the body" (or something like that!. Well, after a few months of praying, searching, etc about it- I finally got the gumption up- and went to ask a Minister about it. Mine, of course- was out of town, so I went to another Minister (Baptist), who I hold in the same regard (trustworthy).

To make it short - we came to an agreement, that what God is talking about in Deut. (?) and others, about piercings/tats was a whole different ball-game- than now. Although they could lead to someone into the sin of vanity, which most- probably aren't.


-charles


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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 9:56:46 AM   
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Getting eyelids, cheeks, lips, nose, forehead, genitals, belly buttons, tongue, etc. pierced makes you appear to not be comfortable with yourself. It also gives a bad impression.
I guess that is what I should think when I see someone walking down the street sporting a genital piercing.

I will try to remember that. I have never seen one.

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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 3:33:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: faroukfarouk

19ramman85:

Hi, so did your daughter (or you) get any, in the end?


Yeah, she got a piercing in her ears when she was 16, and a couple of more later- all in the ear.

She also recently got a tat about a month ago to honor/ in memory of her late grandfather (he passsed-away two mos ago). It actually loks rather nice. It is a rose w/ dog tags that has his name, DOB/D, WWII yrs on it.

She also has one or two more- but nothing too exciting/any wierd places.


No- I don't have any peircings/tats.



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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 5:45:40 PM   
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18ramman85:


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19ramman85:

Hi, so did your daughter (or you) get any, in the end?...

Yeah, she got a piercing in her ears when she was 16, and a couple of more later- all in the ear.

She also recently got a tat about a month ago to honor/ in memory of her late grandfather (he passsed-away two mos ago). It actually loks rather nice. It is a rose w/ dog tags that has his name, DOB/D, WWII yrs on it.


I guess you dropped your objections to her getting a tattoo, then? So now you like it, anyhow.

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She also has one or two more- but nothing too exciting/any wierd places.



I guess you would still object to ones that were 'too exciting/any weird places', anyhow, right?

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No- I don't have any peircings/tats.



Okay

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RE: body piercings - 7/8/2008 11:23:29 PM   
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faroukfarouk............

I guess you dropped your objections to her getting a tattoo, then? So now you like it, anyhow.

I guess you would still object to ones that were 'too exciting/any weird places', anyhow, right?



1)Yeah- to a pt. To put it simply-we had several discussions w/ her over a period of about 3 yrs about tat/percings. And she has repeatedly tolsd us she didn't want to end up looking like some freak show.

2) Yeah the couple she has (well- that she admits to, anyways! lol) look alright.

3) well- she is over 18- and it is, her- body. And like we tell her- she's the one thats gotta live w/ them!


-charles
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RE: body piercings - 7/9/2008 8:29:45 AM   
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19ramman85:

You speak in the plural, so I guess it means your wife doesn't have any herself, but has also lowered any objections she might have had as well?

I guess it can involve a bit of inner reasoning for some ppl.

Take care.

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1)Yeah- to a pt. To put it simply-we had several discussions w/ her over a period of about 3 yrs about tat/percings. And she has repeatedly tolsd us she didn't want to end up looking like some freak show.

2) Yeah the couple she has (well- that she admits to, anyways! lol) look alright.

3) well- she is over 18- and it is, her- body. And like we tell her- she's the one thats gotta live w/ them!


-charles


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RE: body piercings - 7/9/2008 11:45:50 AM   
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I don't know what to think of peircing other parts besides ears. I don' think its inherrently wrong. If I didn't like it (depending on my tastes I guess) then it would just be about me not liking it. Some people could really be sincerly turned off. Coworkers and or customers might feel very uncomfortable always looking at someone with an eyelid that is pierced. Parents might feel uncomfortable dropping off their kid with someone who has unique piercings. It could hurt you at work, in a ministry that you are apart of and other places simply because people do not know how to take piercings and honestly - many people just don't like some piercings and they are sincerly turned off by them.

If a women pierced certain sensitive areas then I would say it would be wrong to share this info with any other guy except for your husband because of the extreme sexual suggestiveness. Women may not understand how sexually suggestive it is but it is to guys non the less and very difficult for them not to think in this manner. Have you seen the advertisement for the Bill Engvall show? His daughter wants to get a belly button ring and she can't understand how they are different from an ear ring. Bill responds, "Cause when you get an ear ring, boys look up here [Points to head].

I will repeat that I do not think that piercing any part of the body is inherrantly wrong. You just have to consider personal tastes, and the sexual suggestiveness.
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RE: body piercings - 7/9/2008 11:50:12 AM   
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willfs:

The lady serving at my local Christian bookstore had a tongue ring anyway.

I guess there are piercings and piercings.

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I don't know what to think of peircing other parts besides ears. I don' think its inherrently wrong. If I didn't like it (depending on my tastes I guess) then it would just be about me not liking it. Some people could really be sincerly turned off. Coworkers and or customers might feel very uncomfortable always looking at someone with an eyelid that is pierced. Parents might feel uncomfortable dropping off their kid with someone who has unique piercings. It could hurt you at work, in a ministry that you are apart of and other places simply because people do not know how to take piercings and honestly - many people just don't like some piercings and they are sincerly turned off by them.

If a women pierced certain sensitive areas then I would say it would be wrong to share this info with any other guy except for your husband because of the extreme sexual suggestiveness. Women may not understand how sexually suggestive it is but it is to guys non the less and very difficult for them not to think in this manner. Have you seen the advertisement for the Bill Engvall show? His daughter wants to get a belly button ring and she can't understand how they are different from an ear ring. Bill responds, "Cause when you get an ear ring, boys look up here [Points to head].

I will repeat that I do not think that piercing any part of the body is inherrantly wrong. You just have to consider personal tastes, and the sexual suggestiveness.


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RE: body piercings - 7/9/2008 10:11:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: faroukfarouk

19ramman85:

You speak in the plural, so I guess it means your wife doesn't have any herself, but has also lowered any objections she might have had as well?

I guess it can involve a bit of inner reasoning for some ppl.

Take care.

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ORIGINAL: 19ramman85



1)Yeah- to a pt. To put it simply-we had several discussions w/ her over a period of about 3 yrs about tat/percings. And she has repeatedly tolsd us she didn't want to end up looking like some freak show.

2) Yeah the couple she has (well- that she admits to, anyways! lol) look alright.

3) well- she is over 18- and it is, her- body. And like we tell her- she's the one thats gotta live w/ them!


-charles





Yup- my wife and I are rather old school as far as piercings go, ie; too many on a woman make her look trampy (the "Christian" way I can put it), and on a guy- it must mean he might be gay.

But over the yrs -we rather chilled out on our views, and although we still think there is such a thing as over-doing it- we aren't gonna raise a stink about it either.


-charles
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RE: body piercings - 7/9/2008 11:12:32 PM   
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19ramman85:

Well, interesting and intriguing: what did you mean with 'trampy (the "Christian" way...)' ?

Not heard such a phrase before, anyway.

Maybe I learn something every day.

Take care.

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Yup- my wife and I are rather old school as far as piercings go, ie; too many on a woman make her look trampy (the "Christian" way I can put it)


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RE: body piercings - 7/10/2008 11:40:50 AM   
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faroukfarouk;
Well, interesting and intriguing: what did you mean with 'trampy (the "Christian" way...)' ?

lol, it was kinda late when I wrote that, but- ie; women of ill-repute, women of "Vanity", etc.


Maybe I learn something every day.

Hey- God's the only one that doesn't need to learn, amen?



-charles
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RE: body piercings - 7/10/2008 11:49:53 AM   
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19ramman85:

I see, thnx.

Personally I don't think a lady with multipierced ears (lots of ladies have 2 or 3 per ear, etc) or a tasteful, maybe faith related tattoo makes her look bad.

(My two cents'.)

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ORIGINAL: 19ramman85

faroukfarouk;
Well, interesting and intriguing: what did you mean with 'trampy (the "Christian" way...)' ?

lol, it was kinda late when I wrote that, but- ie; women of ill-repute, women of "Vanity", etc.


Maybe I learn something every day.

Hey- God's the only one that doesn't need to learn, amen?



-charles


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RE: body piercings - 7/10/2008 6:29:08 PM   
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What makes me kinda chuckle @ myself about - here I am - a mddl aged man- and I find some women w/ a tat or two , to be very attractive! Yet in my younger years ............

<sigh!>

lol


-charles
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RE: body piercings - 7/10/2008 8:20:59 PM   
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19ramman85:

"I find some women w/ a tat or two , to be very attractive!"

Yes, well, I guess that is a subjective personal judgment, and maybe a lot of ppl would agree and maybe a lot of ppl wouldn't.

But anyhow, regarding piercings and tattoos, it's undeniable that a lot of women have them.

So you now (as opposed to years ago) find it "very attractive", as you say? so does your wife have one? or would you encourage her to get pierced ir tattooed?

Regards.

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ORIGINAL: 19ramman85

What makes me kinda chuckle @ myself about - here I am - a mddl aged man- and I find some women w/ a tat or two , to be very attractive! Yet in my younger years ............

<sigh!>

lol


-charles


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RE: body piercings - 7/11/2008 11:38:40 PM   
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faroukfarouk .......... so does your wife have one? or would you encourage her to get pierced ir tattooed?

No on both.


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RE: body piercings - 7/12/2008 1:38:35 AM   
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19ramman65:

Well, okay.

You like tattoos (& piercings?) on women, you say, and I guess you're wife is your ideal.

I don't quite follow, but, hey, what do I know?

Take care.

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ORIGINAL: 19ramman85

faroukfarouk .......... so does your wife have one? or would you encourage her to get pierced ir tattooed?

No on both.


-charles


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RE: body piercings - 7/12/2008 2:47:24 AM   
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To the OP, I'd just say be convinced in your own mind as far as what is right (ala Romans 14). I personally don't plan on getting body piercings, and they don't look attractive to me on women. However, I do have several tattoos, and those do look attractive to me on women. They're lumped together because they're marketed together (and hated together, by those who choose to take offense). I know there's no problem with me having my tattoos. There wouldn't be a problem with my having piercings if I felt like it. Not everything has to be symbolic of something else. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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RE: body piercings - 7/12/2008 3:07:25 AM   
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McFatty:

So you have tats, I see.

Have you never worn earrings? often folks with tats have gotten an earring or two first, anyway.

Take care.

[Good verse from Philippians! I love that Epistle.]

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ORIGINAL: McFatty

To the OP, I'd just say be convinced in your own mind as far as what is right (ala Romans 14). I personally don't plan on getting body piercings, and they don't look attractive to me on women. However, I do have several tattoos, and those do look attractive to me on women. They're lumped together because they're marketed together (and hated together, by those who choose to take offense). I know there's no problem with me having my tattoos. There wouldn't be a problem with my having piercings if I felt like it. Not everything has to be symbolic of something else. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


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RE: body piercings - 7/12/2008 11:10:34 AM   
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Faroukfarouk,

No, I have never worn earrings, or any other piercing. It just never appealed to me. My tattoo work is religious in nature. I'm not sure I can make the same expression with metal.

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RE: body piercings - 7/12/2008 12:15:17 PM   
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McFatty:

I see.

Anyhow, there is jewelry with eg, the fish sign, that many Christians have, etc.

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Faroukfarouk,

No, I have never worn earrings, or any other piercing. It just never appealed to me. My tattoo work is religious in nature. I'm not sure I can make the same expression with metal.


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