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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:16:44 PM
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TheosCentric
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For your information, it has nothing to do with the Jews religion. It has to do with the Israeli occupation. Isn't it nice to know that someone in another part of the world probably thinks of you and me as pieces of garbage too? I was not aware that we were to think of them the same way. I wonder if Jesus would have thought of them as a piece of garbage.
So in your mind are these homicide bombings and rocket launchings justified and perfectly fine because of occupation?
No. But it should at least show why they do what they do. Btw, while we're on the subject of suicide bombings, how many have there been in Israel in the past year or two years?
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And I think Jesus would hate murders BTW...Anyone that does not believe in Him is going to hell. Thus anyone who dies in murdering someone and believes they are doing it for the glory of Islam, IS GOING TO ROT IN HELL! And frankly good riddance.
Wow! I cannot honestly believe that someone who calls themself a Christian actually desires someone to go to Hell. Sure, I believe they are going to Hell if they do these acts of violence, but to say good riddance at their eternal death? You're actually happy that they're going to Hell? Wow! That is truly sad. 
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:55:33 PM
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Then why are we harping on it like it's happening every minute of every day. From what I can tell, it's all but stopped. The rocket attacks had slowed down a lot over the last year, until recently.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:59:47 PM
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The rocket attacks had slowed down a lot over the last year, until recently. Tell that to the schoolkids and their parents.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 5:00:44 PM
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I said, until recently.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 5:03:41 PM
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How recent is that? Since the first of the year? Since the truce was supposed to be in effect? Since the pullout of Gaza? Before that? Since that? Define "recent" please.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 5:10:32 PM
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TheosCentric
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Within the last month and half.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 9:51:50 PM
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while we're on the subject of suicide bombings, how many have there been in Israel in the past year or two years?
thanks to the fence, not nearly as many as there would have been.
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Then why are we harping on it like it's happening every minute of every day. From what I can tell, it's all but stopped.
Today, I got into a lengthy conversation with a coworker about Israel\Palestine. A lot of it hinged around him wanting to know who I thought was being aggressive and who was being peaceful today. His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
In the midst of that conversation, he talked about how Palestinians are "constantly" engaging in suicide bombings in Israel; it's something that happens almost "daily;" how can Israel reach peace with a people who are "always" willing to suicide bomb? He couldn't believe me when I tried telling him they are not that common; it's far more difficult to recruit suicide bombers and get it done then people think.
Yet, there seems to be a fair number of people who honestly believe it happens all the time. Why are we willing to believe that when it's not even true?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/26/2007 7:06:31 AM
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/31/2007 3:53:28 PM
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Sounds familiar to what the Bush Administration did before going to Iraq. This means that Israel is going to war to further occupy the lands of Gaza and the West Bank. 
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/31/2007 4:02:58 PM
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Why stop there? Let's have them go into all the earth and occupy it!
Oh my. I'm sorry. In my sarcasm there I didn't realize I sounded like a Nazi or something...
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/31/2007 4:17:54 PM
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The Days Before the Six Days
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With the approach of the 40th anniversary of a short but momentous war that changed the face of the Middle East, brace yourself for a barrage of propaganda and revisionism. Prepare for reports and commentary focusing on the themes of upheaval, dispossession, refugees and, naturally, four decades of brutal Israeli occupation.
Less common will be accounts of what led up to the Mideast war of June 1967, when Israel for six days fought the combined militaries of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, supported by personnel from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Algeria and Kuwait.
By the time the gunfire subsided, Israel had seized the Golan Heights from Syria; the "West Bank" from Jordan; and the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula from Egypt .
The result of the war, of course, is what the United Nations calls the Occupied Territories. The conventional wisdom parroted by pundits and politicians is that if only that pesky little Jewish state would hand back the land it captured in 1967, the Arab-Islamic world would accept Israel. The fringe goes further, envisaging the emergence of a "new Middle East" of love and brotherhood.
And pigs might fly.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/1/2007 3:11:49 PM
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that kinda reminds me: since the elections for the Knesset is coming up, will there still be a Kadima party anymore, given Olmert's beyond-atrocious approval ratings? Word has it that Ehud Barak and even Benjamin Netanyahu are up for reelection! I don't think it's that common--at least stateside--to have a past leader back for a second, or even third term after being ousted!
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/1/2007 3:24:33 PM
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that kinda reminds me: since the elections for the Knesset is coming up, will there still be a Kadima party anymore, given Olmert's beyond-atrocious approval ratings? Word has it that Ehud Barak and even Benjamin Netanyahu are up for reelection! I don't think it's that common--at least stateside--to have a past leader back for a second, or even third term after being ousted!
From what I'm hearing from people I know, Kadima isn't really expected to be much of a factor in this election... they're expected to poll higher than most of the secondary parties, but not high enough to be a contender for forming a new government. Common wisdom seems to be that Likud will "win" with a percentage that will require them to either form a unity government with Labor or try to put together a coalition government with Kadima and some of the smaller conservative parties. That'll probably make Netanyahu the new PM.
It's not all that unusual in a parliamentary democracy for a PM to serve more than once at different times.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 8:46:53 AM
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With all the issues facing Olmert, it appears it could be a self-destruction.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 9:02:52 AM
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With all the issues facing Olmert, it appears it could be a self-destruction.
Only in some folks dreams. There are others who know how to protect Israel.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 10:50:26 AM
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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.
These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:
Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732
Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.
Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/4/2007 11:00:07 AM
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The Christian Crusaders is ancient history, radical Islam is an international threat and a threat to our own country, troops and citizens-today-this minute.
Please read the context of what I am responding to. The year 732 is fairly ancient history as well.
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