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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 2:55:18 PM
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stamper_ben
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 3:27:39 PM
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Sharon purposely went to the top of the Temple Mount, knowing full well that his actions could spark violence.
But it didn't have to. But then it doesn't take much to spark a reaction from those who hate Jews, does it?
On the other hand Israel withheld any violence in reaction to the SCUDS Saddam lobbed at them even though they were not a belligerant in that conflict. All Hamas needs to provoke violence is a cartoon!
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 3:32:33 PM
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Stephanos
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Apparently, based on the reaction to the Sharon Temple visit, if a Jew even sneezes in the direction of the Temple mount, it is cause for a Islamic uproar and violence.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 4:59:10 PM
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Apparently, based on the reaction to the Sharon Temple visit, if a Jew even sneezes in the direction of the Temple mount, it is cause for a Islamic uproar and violence.
Um.... no.
Ariel Sharon visiting that place wasn't just "a Jew" sneezing. Sharon is not popular with the Palestinian Arabs thanks to his track record. If he didn't know he was going to be provoking them by merely showing up, he might not have needed the roughly, er, one... thousand bodybuards that accompanied him there.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 5:00:22 PM
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Sharon purposely went to the top of the Temple Mount, knowing full well that his actions could spark violence.
Correct. It was a gamble he took, even if it would later cost lives on both sides.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 7:20:38 PM
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Has a pope ever visited the temple mount? How bout Billy Graham?
Would a US president or one of the above elicit an infitada?
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RE: One year on, Hamas deepens rule in Gaza - 7/16/2008 9:36:02 PM
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Israel attack on Iran "unavoidable": Olmert deputy
"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks "unavoidable" given the apparent failure of sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential, one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's deputies said on Friday.
"If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it. The sanctions are ineffective," Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz told the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.
"Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable," said the former army chief who has also been defense minister.
It was the most explicit threat yet against Iran from a member of Olmert's government, which, like the Bush administration, has preferred to hint at force as a last resort should U.N. Security Council sanctions be deemed a dead end."
I can hear the price of oil creeping up as I read this. We might be tangled in another war before elections.
And Iran will of course be well within their rights to defend themselves from an attack.
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Good luck to them... History is not on their side...
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RE: One year on, Hamas deepens rule in Gaza - 7/17/2008 1:00:13 AM
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Israel attack on Iran "unavoidable": Olmert deputy
"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks "unavoidable" given the apparent failure of sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential, one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's deputies said on Friday.
"If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it. The sanctions are ineffective," Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz told the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.
"Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable," said the former army chief who has also been defense minister.
It was the most explicit threat yet against Iran from a member of Olmert's government, which, like the Bush administration, has preferred to hint at force as a last resort should U.N. Security Council sanctions be deemed a dead end."
I can hear the price of oil creeping up as I read this. We might be tangled in another war before elections.
And Iran will of course be well within their rights to defend themselves from an attack.
WormHeart
Good luck to them... History is not on their side...
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The last Iranian (Persian actually) leader who was considered a friend of Israel was Cyrus the Great! That was a long, long, time ago! I don't think Ahmadinejab will be issueing any "Edict of Restoration" anytime soon.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 5:45:45 AM
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Has a pope ever visited the temple mount? How bout Billy Graham?
Would a US president or one of the above elicit an infitada?
It's not about "infidels" visiting that location. I myself stood on that spot no more than a month before Ariel Sharon did.
The problem was with Ariel Sharon, the biggest obstacle to peace in Israel at the time.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 8:02:38 AM
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Hamas, the PA, and the Israelis have all done things that ratchet up the tension in the area. This stems from one fundamental problem: Hamas' refusal to admit that Israel has a right to exist and the Israeli position that it does.
If Hamas wants to stop living in the toilet of Gaza and start building a state for their people they need to stop lobbing rockets and performing suicide missions in Israel. Once they stop the violence and get their extremists under control, then Israel will not have any pretext for cross border incursions or sanctions.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 9:12:14 AM
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Hamas has stopped lobbing rockets and they have recognized Israel's right to exist.
But I guess you missed that memo.
Israel has to stop it's settlement and annexation programs too.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 9:43:40 AM
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Hamas has stopped lobbing rockets and they have recognized Israel's right to exist.
But I guess you missed that memo. Really? I guess some of us here have missed the reality of news reports telling of the continuing attacks.
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JERUSALEM, July 12 (Reuters) - A rocket fired from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip landed in southern Israel on Saturday, causing no injuries or damage, Israeli police said, in the latest attack since a truce was reached last month.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 10:08:39 AM
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mapachito13
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Hamas has stopped lobbing rockets and they have recognized Israel's right to exist.
But I guess you missed that memo.
Israel has to stop it's settlement and annexation programs too.
I guess some Hamas members didn't get that memo either.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 10:19:22 AM
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TheosCentric
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Read again.
Hamas didn't launch the rockets.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 10:29:36 AM
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stamper_ben
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Read again.
Hamas didn't launch the rockets.
No, YOU need to read again. I'll now quote the next three paragraphs from the article...
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"A rocket landed in Israel, near Sderot," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, referring to the southern Israeli town that has been a frequent target of rockets from Gaza.
There have been several rocket attacks from the coastal territory since the Egyptian-brokered truce between Israel and Hamas went into effect on June 19. Israel responded to previous attacks by reclosing border crossings with the enclave.
The truce calls on Gaza militant groups to halt rocket attacks in return for Israel gradually easing an embargo on the territory. The Jewish state tightened its cordon on Gaza after Hamas Islamists took control of the territory a year ago.
Even if it isn't a dues paying member of the Hamas organization who is launching the rockets, it IS a fact that Hamas isn't stopping the launches from IT'S territory.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 11:14:27 AM
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Read again.
Hamas didn't launch the rockets.
No, YOU need to read again. I'll now quote the next three paragraphs from the article...
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"A rocket landed in Israel, near Sderot," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, referring to the southern Israeli town that has been a frequent target of rockets from Gaza.
There have been several rocket attacks from the coastal territory since the Egyptian-brokered truce between Israel and Hamas went into effect on June 19. Israel responded to previous attacks by reclosing border crossings with the enclave.
The truce calls on Gaza militant groups to halt rocket attacks in return for Israel gradually easing an embargo on the territory. The Jewish state tightened its cordon on Gaza after Hamas Islamists took control of the territory a year ago.
Even if it isn't a dues paying member of the Hamas organization who is launching the rockets, it IS a fact that Hamas isn't stopping the launches from IT'S territory.
"Gaza militant groups" is kind of an all encompassing statement! Hamas is in charge of the strip so they bear the responsibility.
Israel finds itself responsible and prosecutes settlers who murder or assault Palestinians, why can't Hamas do the same? It's not like they have to patrol a huge area 139 sq. miles (roughly twice the size of the District of Columbia).
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/17/2008 11:38:37 AM
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Hamas is in charge of the strip so they bear the responsibility.
Exactly!
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