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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/15/2007 8:25:34 PM
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Do you think it is possible that the end times begins with the reestablishment of Israel as a nation?
Did the end times begin?
Please tell me what the beginning of the end times means to you.
Bob
With the reestablishment of the nation of Israel in March of 1948, Palestine is no longer under control of the Gentile powers and the Jews are being gathered from the nations. This gathering is growing at a faster and faster rate, with the Aliya flights taking the Jews from the four corners of the earth back to their homeland. These events appear to be the fulfillment of these verses.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD. KJV
A few more verses that I think need to be considered here as I believe they pertain to the restoration of Jerusalem.
Mat 24:32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh;
Mat 24:33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
We must also consider that as of the six day war June 1967, Jerusalem is no longer under Gentile control are trodden over. This helps us see the fulfillment of the prophecies quoted above. In addition, I believe that this fulfilled the prophecy given by Jesus in this verse;
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The term trodden over was a practice where a conquering King would place the conquered King on the ground and place his foot on the neck of the conquered king as a demonstration to the conquered king and his subjects that a new king was now in charge. Sometimes it was the end for one king and other times they were allowed to live. This is no longer practiced, but the govt of Jerusalem did change, at the end of the 6 day war ending the trodden over.
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The reason I consider this significant is because after the time of the Gentiles. It is my understanding that there is only one scripturally defined time left, and that is the time of the end as spoken of by Daniel. So in closing I would say yes we are in a time of the end and the time of the end started in either 1948 or 1967. So it is my opinion that the book of Daniel is no longer sealed, and any understanding prior to these dates are incorrect. At the very best they can only be partially correct, and most likely totally wrong. Did the generation spoken of in Mat24:34 begin in 1948 or 1967. Probably the latter but that is only my opinion. How long will that generation last your guess is as good as mine. Some say a generation is forty years but who knows. I saw a show on tv the other night that said some of the baby boomers (born in 1946) could reasonably expect to live to one hundred. Remember we can recognize the season but no one knows the day or the hour except the God.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/15/2007 9:35:03 PM
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Yes, well as I have posted before, I think we are right up against the prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39 and depending upon how you interpret it could very well be the beginning of the last week. People in Israel don’t think we can get through the summer before a major invasion by what would be a Muslim collation. I tell you more about it in September.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/16/2007 3:21:21 PM
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There are still millions of Jews scattered among the nations. The Jews are just from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, what about the other 10 tribes,
have they all returned?
Not to mention the fact that the current state of Israel isn't really the same thing as a re-established nation under God as described in the Old Testament. Given the number of Jews who are secular, and the size of the non-Jewish population, etc.
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We hear and see all the signs on tv, wars, famines, natural disasters and the like. and they seem to be increasing rapidly. These are just the birth pangs. So, you could say the clock is running down.
Careful with judging the state of the world based on what we see on TV. There is a definite uptick in terms of natural disasters, but in terms of wars and famines, we're really no worse off than many years ago, and in fact there are probably less serious wars and famines today than there have been in the past.
The point I meant, was, because of TV, these wars and famines are broadcast into our homes. Take the war in Iraq, pictures beamed to us daily. We could see and hear what was happening.
It's the same with the Tsunami and the earthquake in Pakistan and the hurricanes of 2005.
Rwanda, Kosovo, Darfur, the list goes on. Without media coverage, would we hear or take notice of them.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/27/2007 11:11:41 PM
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Bible: Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Koran: (Sura 2:223) your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.
Bible: Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Koran (Sura 8:12) I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Can any reasonable person imagine, for even a moment, that these verses are from the same God?
Quran: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).
no where does it refer to farmland
Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate)
To Cultivate : to devote oneself to
to seek to promote or foster (friendship, love, etc.)
to seek the acquaintance or friendship of (a person)
Tilth : Woman are like soil, if u take care of them they will blossom
Quran: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
the same God that created a Hell? Which is unimaginable to the human soul? And your complaining about cutting off fingers?
the disbelievers are to be punished by God, and Muslims are suppose to encourage them about Islam and not to harm them in anyway. Judgment and punishment is for God to decide. Those Muslims who turn their backs on the disbelievers will also be punished for not trying to encourage.
if you read the verses before and after 008-012 you will see that it says this.
and here are some mathematical miracles of the Quran
-"Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.
-The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Quran 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).
- The words "paradise" and "hell" are each repeated 77 times.
-The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Quran, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.
- The word "land" appears 13 times in the Quran and the word "sea" 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Quran, 32, is 71.111111111111%. Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.238
and those are just a few (note Quran introduced 14centuries ago)
does that seem like the work of Satan?
the Original Gospel was revealed to Jesus, but it got corrupted by man. The Bible was meant only for the people at the time of Jesus, not for humanity. The Quran was revealed to Humanity.
238. "Scientific Miracles," http://monak2.tripod.com/Peaceonline/id1.html
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/27/2007 11:39:00 PM
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Yes that sounds like the works of Satan and if you preach and believe what you have published here then you are an antichrist.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:17:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: Zeshank2
(note Quran introduced 14centuries ago)
Unfortunately Yes it was by the FALSE prophet mohammed
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does that seem like the work of Satan?
Yes it does!!
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the Original Gospel was revealed to Jesus, but it got corrupted by man. The Bible was meant only for the people at the time of Jesus, not for humanity. The Quran was revealed to Humanity.
You made a statement about the Gospel so let's see you prove it!!
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:35:25 AM
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FALSE PROPHET
The 5th book of The Bible, Deuteronomy,which was written by Moses under inspiration from God, contains in verse 18 of chapter 18, the following prophecy:
''I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHEREN, LIKE YOU(MOSES), AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH......................''
Christians would declare that this prophecy is referring to the future arrival of Jesus Christ. Muslims would suggest that is not necessarily the case. The prophecy needs to be more closely examined, after first being broken down into its' 3 parts.
(1) ''I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren''
The founding father Abraham had a wife called Sarah. She was barren, unable to have children. In line with the tradition of the times, Abraham had a child with their servant girl, an egyptian girl named Hagar. She gave birth to a son, Abraham's first son, his heir, Ishmael.
In time, God opened up the womb of Sarah, who conceived to Abraham, another son, Isaac. When he was older, Isaacs sons became the heads of the tribes of Israel,of which Jesus was part.
Ismael's offspring became the Arab peoples which we know today, of which Muhammad was part.
So Muhammad was indeed from among the brethren of the people of Israel....BUT!....SO WAS JESUS!!
(2) ''like you'' (meaning, ''like Moses'')... So who was MOST like Moses?....Jesus?.... or Muhammad?
Muhammad brought his people God's laws....so did Moses.
Muhammad and Moses both had human fathers....Jesus did not.
Jesus was a Jew, so was Moses.... Muhammad was not.
Moses was married with children, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
Moses was brought up by foster parents, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
Moses gave people a message directly from God, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
Moses died naturally, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
So Muhammad was MOST ''like Moses''.
(3) '' I will put my words into his mouth''
Jesus used to say things like, '' I say nothing of my own originality'', or '' I speak just as the father in heaven has taught me''. Do these expressions really mean that God had ''put his words in Jesus' mouth''?
Consider now, Muhammad, who was commanded by The Angel Gabriel to ''recite''. Gabriel had come to Muhammad with the very words of God. When commanded to ''recite'' Muhammad at first refused, thinking himself not to be intelligent enough.
Eventually Muhammad opened his mouth and out poured the words of what we know today as The Qur'an. Muslims would argue that this fulfills the third part of the prophecy more satisfactorily regarding Muhammad, than it does regarding Jesus.
On the basis of this prophecy, it may be seen as fairly conclusive that Muhammad was indeed mentioned in The Bible.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:37:16 AM
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I am no preacher nor a publisher...
All I did was quote straight from the Quran and told you the true interpretation.
Instead of taking bits and pieces from a Chapter like JohnWilliams.
Can you please explain instead of calling me the Antichrist.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:42:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: imran57
FALSE PROPHET
The 5th book of The Bible, Deuteronomy,which was written by Moses under inspiration from God, contains in verse 18 of chapter 18, the following prophecy:
''I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHEREN, LIKE YOU(MOSES), AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH......................''
Christians would declare that this prophecy is referring to the future arrival of Jesus Christ. Muslims would suggest that is not necessarily the case. The prophecy needs to be more closely examined, after first being broken down into its' 3 parts.
(1) ''I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren''
The founding father Abraham had a wife called Sarah. She was barren, unable to have children. In line with the tradition of the times, Abraham had a child with their servant girl, an egyptian girl named Hagar. She gave birth to a son, Abraham's first son, his heir, Ishmael.
In time, God opened up the womb of Sarah, who conceived to Abraham, another son, Isaac. When he was older, Isaacs sons became the heads of the tribes of Israel,of which Jesus was part.
Ismael's offspring became the Arab peoples which we know today, of which Muhammad was part.
So Muhammad was indeed from among the brethren of the people of Israel....BUT!....SO WAS JESUS!!
(2) ''like you'' (meaning, ''like Moses'')... So who was MOST like Moses?....Jesus?.... or Muhammad?
Jesus was more like moses. Mohammed was a false prophet
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Muhammad brought his people God's laws....so did Moses.
mohammed was a false prophet who misled the muslims to worship satan
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Muhammad and Moses both had human fathers....Jesus did not.
Jesus was a Jew, so was Moses.... Muhammad was not.
Moses was married with children, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
Moses was brought up by foster parents, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
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Moses gave people a message directly from God, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
once again a fallacy mohammed was not from God nor is his message, Jesus is the Son of God .
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Moses died naturally, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
Jesus died on the cross arose on the third day and is now seated at the right hand of His Father the God of all creation where He will remain until judgement day when he returns to gather the elect and cast satan, the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire just as scripture says.
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So Muhammad was MOST ''like Moses''.
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(3) '' I will put my words into his mouth''
Jesus used to say things like, '' I say nothing of my own originality'', or '' I speak just as the father in heaven has taught me''. Do these expressions really mean that God had ''put his words in Jesus' mouth''?
Yes the words Jesus spoke were inspired by God the Father
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Consider now, Muhammad, who was commanded by The Angel Gabriel to ''recite''. Gabriel had come to Muhammad with the very words of God.
Are you sure it was Gabriel didn't mohammed himself wonder if he was being decieved and that it might be a demon?
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When commanded to ''recite'' Muhammad at first refused, thinking himself not to be intelligent enough.
Eventually Muhammad opened his mouth and out poured the words of what we know today as The Qur'an. Muslims would argue that this fulfills the third part of the prophecy more satisfactorily regarding Muhammad, than it does regarding Jesus.
On the basis of this prophecy, it may be seen as fairly conclusive that Muhammad was indeed mentioned in The Bible.
most of what you said is Irrelevant let's look at the verses that refer to mohammed, Yes he certainly is mentioned in these verses;
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
dragon = allah = satan
beast = islam
false prophet = mohammed
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:45:16 AM
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You claim that Muhammad is the Antichrist?
AntiChrist means against Christ
Where in the QURAN does it say MUHAMMAD IS AGAINST CHRIST??
Jesus is reffered to all over the QURAN as one of the mightiest messengers of ALLAH (GOD)
Yes we believe he was born of a virgin mother, we believe he performed miracles, and he was preaching the message of ISLAM (Submission to GOD)
You claim Jesus as the son of GOD by birth of the Virgin Mary
ADAM neither had a mother of father
Then why dont you claim ADAM as a greater God??
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:48:46 AM
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Your "Quotes" seem to be talking about the false prophet as if he already came.
Muhammad was born after the bible.
The verses clearly do not point to a future antichrist.
When will you get that through your head?
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 12:51:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: imran57
You claim that Muhammad is the Antichrist?
AntiChrist means against Christ
Where in the QURAN does it say MUHAMMAD IS AGAINST CHRIST??
Jesus is reffered to all over the QURAN as one of the mightiest messengers of ALLAH (GOD)
Yes we believe he was born of a virgin mother, we believe he performed miracles, and he was preaching the message of ISLAM (Submission to GOD)
You claim Jesus as the son of GOD by birth of the Virgin Mary
ADAM neither had a mother of father
Then why dont you claim ADAM as a greater God??
I claim mohammed is a false prophet who created a false religion and that allah is satan. By definition mohammed is an antichrist as are all muslims who deny that Jesus is the Christ or deny that Jesus is the Son of God. Here are the four verses in the bible that contain the word antichrist;
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Do you believe That Jesus is the Christ? Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God ?
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:03:37 AM
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Imran57,
You seem to claim to be Muslim… am I correct.
If so, yes the Quran talks about Christ but you see him as being a prophet and not God or the Son of God.
You see, the Christ that you talk about in the Quran as coming back to lead Islam in the final battle (Armageddon) against the Christians and Jews and he will establish Islam as the only true religion for the world. Am I correct?
Bob
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:06:29 AM
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Zeshank2,
I said if you preach and believe what you have posted… then I called you an antichrist, or one being against Jesus Christ and preaching a false message as related to the Bible of God.
Bob
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:21:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: imran57
You claim that Muhammad is the Antichrist?
He is. Did the FALSE prophet mohammed believe that Jesus was the Christ the Son of God?
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AntiChrist means against Christ
These verses give the definition of antichrist and mohammed fits the definition;
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Where in the QURAN does it say MUHAMMAD IS AGAINST CHRIST??
Jesus is reffered to all over the QURAN as one of the mightiest messengers of ALLAH (GOD)
Yes we believe he was born of a virgin mother, we believe he performed miracles, and he was preaching the message of ISLAM (Submission to GOD)
What difference does it make the koran was written by a FALSE prophet and is untrue.
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You claim Jesus as the son of GOD by birth of the Virgin Mary
ADAM neither had a mother of father
How is this relevent?
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Then why dont you claim ADAM as a greater God??
There is nothing in the scriptures that say Adam is God, why do you even ask such a ridiculous question?
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:27:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: imran57
Your "Quotes" seem to be talking about the false prophet as if he already came.
Muhammad was born after the bible.
The verses clearly do not point to a future antichrist.
When will you get that through your head?
The book of Revelation was written about 95AD or so. The book is about future events. The False prtophet is from the seventh century and will be cast into the lake of fire come judgement day along with all who do not place their faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Repent accept Jesus as your personal saviour before it is to late!
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:31:42 AM
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when did Jesus himself ever say he was the son of God
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:43:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: Midwest
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ORIGINAL: imran57
FALSE PROPHET
The 5th book of The Bible, Deuteronomy,which was written by Moses under inspiration from God, contains in verse 18 of chapter 18, the following prophecy:
''I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHEREN, LIKE YOU(MOSES), AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH......................''
Christians would declare that this prophecy is referring to the future arrival of Jesus Christ. Muslims would suggest that is not necessarily the case. The prophecy needs to be more closely examined, after first being broken down into its' 3 parts.
(1) ''I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren''
The founding father Abraham had a wife called Sarah. She was barren, unable to have children. In line with the tradition of the times, Abraham had a child with their servant girl, an egyptian girl named Hagar. She gave birth to a son, Abraham's first son, his heir, Ishmael.
In time, God opened up the womb of Sarah, who conceived to Abraham, another son, Isaac. When he was older, Isaacs sons became the heads of the tribes of Israel,of which Jesus was part.
Ismael's offspring became the Arab peoples which we know today, of which Muhammad was part.
So Muhammad was indeed from among the brethren of the people of Israel....BUT!....SO WAS JESUS!!
(2) ''like you'' (meaning, ''like Moses'')... So who was MOST like Moses?....Jesus?.... or Muhammad?
Muhammad brought his people God's laws....so did Moses.
Muhammad and Moses both had human fathers....Jesus did not.
Jesus was a Jew, so was Moses.... Muhammad was not.
Moses was married with children, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
Moses was brought up by foster parents, so was Muhammad....Jesus was not.
Moses gave people a message directly from God, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
Moses died naturally, so did Muhammad....Jesus did not.
So Muhammad was MOST ''like Moses''.
(3) '' I will put my words into his mouth''
Jesus used to say things like, '' I say nothing of my own originality'', or '' I speak just as the father in heaven has taught me''. Do these expressions really mean that God had ''put his words in Jesus' mouth''?
Consider now, Muhammad, who was commanded by The Angel Gabriel to ''recite''. Gabriel had come to Muhammad with the very words of God. When commanded to ''recite'' Muhammad at first refused, thinking himself not to be intelligent enough.
Eventually Muhammad opened his mouth and out poured the words of what we know today as The Qur'an. Muslims would argue that this fulfills the third part of the prophecy more satisfactorily regarding Muhammad, than it does regarding Jesus.
On the basis of this prophecy, it may be seen as fairly conclusive that Muhammad was indeed mentioned in The Bible.
Irrelevant let's look at the verses that refer to mohammed, Yes he certainly is mentioned in these verses;
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 1:55:14 AM
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Dear all
i am from a muslim family but for the last one year or so secretly practising and become a christian by heart, soul and mind. I have only joined this chat forum to get guidance from some one to tell me where should I go to properly become a fully practising christian, mixing with my co religionists and getting further guidance to reach the path as described by Our christian God. Why I left Islam is a long tale but least but very profoundly say that due to the beast ful nature of its doctrination I converted to Christianity, and very much content and fulfilled and also proud of this. I live in Pakistan, near Islamabad so any one guide me to a safe church where I may complete adoption of christianity in safe and protective environment. God bless all children and always keep them in peace and safety. I want to keep my identity safe for the sake of my life. Kindly guide me.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 2:17:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: rational41
Dear all
i am from a muslim family but for the last one year or so secretly practising and become a christian by heart, soul and mind. I have only joined this chat forum to get guidance from some one to tell me where should I go to properly become a fully practising christian, mixing with my co religionists and getting further guidance to reach the path as described by Our christian God. Why I left Islam is a long tale but least but very profoundly say that due to the beast ful nature of its doctrination I converted to Christianity, and very much content and fulfilled and also proud of this. I live in Pakistan, near Islamabad so any one guide me to a safe church where I may complete adoption of christianity in safe and protective environment. God bless all children and always keep them in peace and safety. I want to keep my identity safe for the sake of my life. Kindly guide me.
Start by saying this prayer:
Dear God in heaven, I admit that I am a sinner. I want to be free from sin. I ask you to cleanse me of all unrighteousness. I believe that your son Jesus, died on the cross to take away my sins. I believe He rose from the dead so I can be forgiven for my sins and be made righteous through faith in Him. Jesus, I invite you to come into my heart and be the Lord of my life. I ask you to fill me with your Holy Spirit. Thank you, Jesus, for coming and living within me. I am saved in Jesus's name. Amen
If at all possible take your family and flee to another country where it is safe to practice Christianity, if this is not possible pray for guidance and protection. Always remember our life on earth is but a short while better to sacrifice it for Jesus and gain eternity in heaven then to save your earthly life and suffer etenity in the lake of fire. I will pray for you and your family and I ask that all Christians who read this also pray for you and your family!
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth;... Romans 1:16
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 3:03:33 AM
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Zeshank2
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Deuteronomy
18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Jesus (PBUH) or Muhammad (PBUH)?
(If this verse is about Jesus (PBUH) then Jesus is a prophet and therefore is not God)
Who is more like Moses? Jesus? or Muhammad?
Deuteronomy
18:18 and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (Muhammad spoke what the angel told him)
Deuteronomy
18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (The chapters in the Quran start by saying; 'in the name of God')
John 16:7-13 (New International Version)
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. (the counselor/comforter will not come unless Jesus goes away)
"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
1 John 4:1
test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. (Prophet Muhammad confessed that Jesus is the Christ; Muhammad never confessed that Jesus is NOT the Christ)
Quran 003:045
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
(These are verses from the Noble Quran which were revealed to the prophet Muhammad. The prophet Muhammad is commanded to believe and follow everything in the Quran, hence the Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, hence Muhammad did confess that Jesus is the Christ.)
BY THE WAY!!!
HAH Midwest did u make up Rational47 or did anyone else do that; that just seems to be thrown in out of nowhere; IF NOT and you are looking for guidance why did u come to this particular topic? and if u say because of the subject matter say something about the subject and if u are looking for a church why not try posting in Ministry Leaders or General Faith im sure they will know more about Churches in Pakistan and if u want guidance they can help with that...
BUT im certain this person was made up HAH
goodnight we shall continue our debate and questions for the morning
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 5/28/2007 3:17:39 AM
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Midwest
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ORIGINAL: Zeshank2
Speculation
Deuteronomy
18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Jesus (PBUH) or Muhammad (PBUH)?
(If this verse is about Jesus (PBUH) then Jesus is a prophet and therefore is not God)
Who is more like Moses? Jesus? or Muhammad?
Deuteronomy
18:18 and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (Muhammad spoke what the angel told him)
Deuteronomy
18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (The chapters in the Quran start by saying; 'in the name of God')
John 16:7-13 (New International Version)
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. (the counselor/comforter will not come unless Jesus goes away)
"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
1 John 4:1
test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. (Prophet Muhammad confessed that Jesus is the Christ; Muhammad never confessed that Jesus is NOT the Christ)
Quran 003:045
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
(These are verses from the Noble Quran which were revealed to the prophet Muhammad. The prophet Muhammad is commanded to believe and follow everything in the Quran, hence the Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, hence Muhammad did confess that Jesus is the Christ.)
BY THE WAY!!!
HAH Midwest did u make up Rational47 or did anyone else do that; that just seems to be thrown in out of nowhere; IF NOT and you are looking for guidance why did u come to this particular topic? and if u say because of the subject matter say something about the subject and if u are looking for a church why not try posting in Ministry Leaders or General Faith im sure they will know more about Churches in Pakistan and if u want guidance they can help with that...
BUT im certain this person was made up HAH
goodnight we shall continue our debate and questions for the morning
If Rational47 wasn't your schill then there is a good possibility he is real that is why I asked him to pray. I would never give information about a church in Pakistan out over the internet and I suspect this was just a ploy to get information to use against Christians in Pakistan, but there is always the possibility that it was someone naiv | | |
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