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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/10/2007 10:50:39 PM
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lecoop
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Greetings John -
If you'll look closer in scripture, you'll see that there is a spiritual significance to all biblical numbers.
Six is the number associated with man-kind. Man was created on the sixth day, man works for six days, we measure time in numbers divisble by six etc etc etc.......
Rev tells us that no one will be able to trade unless they have the mark....The mark will be in the forehead or on the hand.
To have the mark of the beast in your forehead simply means you have deceived into believing the many false doctrines created by man, as opposed to believing in the true word of God....If you have the mark on your hand, this means your hands simply do the work of man and/or satan as opposed to the work of God.
Why then, all the demonstration of "sealing" the 144,000?
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Sorry, but I see angels performing some kind of sealing, whether visible to the natural eye or not, I don't know.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 8:44:27 AM
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The truth of the matter is, the Muslims see Jesus Christ as not being the son of God
So then we can know that any religion that holds this is that of a liar (Jewish blindness perhaps excepted), either that or this verse is:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
That is why I learn about Islam from X-Muslims, not Muslims. Muslims are filled with a very real spirit. It is Satan's spirit. The tragedy is that they believe they worship God. It is our job to save them from Islam. An admittedly tough job because the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death with your property and inheritance going to the state. http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm
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but a prophet of God (Allah), born of man. The Muslims say that Jesus was not crucified but rose to be with Allah in heaven until such time that he would return to lead the Muslim world in battle against the Christians and Jews (Gog and Magog) at the battle of Armageddon. The good Jews and Christians will convert to Islam and live in peace. Christ will then die after forty years on earth.
(1) "At the end of time, Jesus (upon whom be peace) will come and will act in accordance with the Shari'ah of Mohammed (may God bless him and grant him peace)," indicates that at the end of time the religion of Christianity will be purified and divest itself of superstition in the face of the current of unbelief and atheism born of naturalist philosophy, and will be transformed into Islam. At this point, the collective personality of Christianity will kill the fearsome collective personality of irreligion with the sword of heavenly revelation; so too, representing the collective personality of Christianity, Jesus (upon whom be peace) will kill the Dajjal, who represents the collective personality of irreligion, that is, he will kill atheistic thought. (Letters, "First Letter")
(2) At that point when the current appears to be very strong, the religion of true Christianity, which comprises the collective personality of Jesus (upon whom be peace), will emerge. That is, it will descend from the skies of Divine Mercy. Present Christianity will be purified in the face of that reality; it will cast off superstition and distortion, and unite with the truths of Islam. Christianity will in effect be in a way transformed into Islam. (Letters, "Fifteenth Letter")
Now from the point of view of a Christian doesn’t this seem to be slightly antichristian?
From the point of view of a Christian everything about Islam is a lie.
And I would say that slaughtering Christians and Jews for 1300 years would qualify as being "slightly antichristian", as would you.
It is the religion of the false prophet. It is antichrist. Each and every one is an antichrist. quote:
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I think ill regardless of the distortion we must see the beliefs of Islam for what they are.
Bob
Yes. Satan gave Islam his seat, his power and great authority. We can save Muslims, but only with the truth, not some 19th century pop-fiction.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 9:23:37 AM
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JohnWilliams said;
Is the Lord showing Christians, Jews and Muslims through this 666 connection, which "man" and "beast" carries this number, as we now find ourselves in Daniel's "time of the end"?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them [Muslims] was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [Islamic empire] and the false prophet [Mohammed] [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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Now the Muslims are the devil and the false prophet is Muhammad?
You keep changing your view here. Let me leave you with a passage from the same book which is also a warning.
Why are you twisting what was said. The devil decieved the muslims and the false prophet is mohammed. No reason to twist what John said just because you disagree.
I didn't twist what he said. I was pointing out contradictions in his statements, especially as he inserted into the text of the Bible what does not exist in the text of the Bible, based on his preconceived ideas.
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(Rev 22:18 ESV) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
(Rev 22:19 ESV) and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
And your implication is?
Read my previous comment above in light of these verses.
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Just out of curiosity what else goes with this statement in your signature ("The chief end of God is to glorify God and enjoy Himself forever." -- John Piper)? As it stands by itself (which is most likely out of context)it makes God look extremely selfish and I certainly hope that is not what the author intended!
Perhaps, by itself, it appears wrongly. In context, everything that God has created and that exists, exists to glorify God and to have joy in God. For more of this in context, read "Desiring God" or even "Let the Nations be Glad" by John Piper for the theological background of this statement.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 10:06:03 AM
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Is the Lord showing Christians, Jews and Muslims through this 666 connection, which "man" and "beast" carries this number, as we now find ourselves in Daniel's "time of the end"?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them [Muslims] was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [Islamic empire] and the false prophet [Mohammed] [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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Now the Muslims are the devil and the false prophet is Muhammad?
You keep changing your view here. Let me leave you with a passage from the same book which is also a warning.
Why are you twisting what was said. The devil decieved the muslims and the false prophet is mohammed. No reason to twist what John said just because you disagree.
I didn't twist what he said. I was pointing out contradictions in his statements, especially as he inserted into the text of the Bible what does not exist in the text of the Bible, based on his preconceived ideas.
Do you really believe this is an honest way to characterize what I did with the verse?
When the tags were inserted in brackets, and in a different color from the scriptures, expressly to indicate that they were not part of the verse?
Can you imagine a more graphically clear and concise way for me to have interjected my opinions as to exactly who is who and what is what, and where they belong, in these verses?
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 10:39:46 AM
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From the point of view of a Christian everything about Islam is a lie.
And I would say that slaughtering Christians and Jews for 1300 years would qualify as being "slightly antichristian", as would you.
It is the religion of the false prophet. It is antichrist. Each and every one is an antichrist
John, I REALLY agree with you here. I had been spending a LOT of time, perhaps 2 or 3 hours a day, with a Muslim man, but I could not get him to see (blindness) the scriptures. One day when praying about it, God spoke to me, and said, "you have to cast the Muslim spirit out of him before he will ever see the truth." So I spent the next 4 hours, commanding that spirit to leave. I knew when it left. The next day, he came running up to me, all excited, and said, "Yesterday, I was thinking, I was not being a good Muslim anyway, so I gave up my Muslim faith!!!!!"
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 10:54:45 AM
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From the point of view of a Christian everything about Islam is a lie.
And I would say that slaughtering Christians and Jews for 1300 years would qualify as being "slightly antichristian", as would you.
It is the religion of the false prophet. It is antichrist. Each and every one is an antichrist
John, I REALLY agree with you here. I had been spending a LOT of time, perhaps 2 or 3 hours a day, with a Muslim man, but I could not get him to see (blindness) the scriptures. One day when praying about it, God spoke to me, and said, "you have to cast the Muslim spirit out of him before he will ever see the truth." So I spent the next 4 hours, commanding that spirit to leave. I knew when it left. The next day, he came running up to me, all excited, and said, "Yesterday, I was thinking, I was not being a good Muslim anyway, so I gave up my Muslim faith!!!!!"
Coop
Praise the Lord!
If he had made that very same statement in Saudi Arabia, it would result in beheading. That is the punishment for "apostasy".
Folks underestimate evil spirits. Just as Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, Muslims are guided by the spirit of antichrist.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1.2 billion people are being set up for the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind.
The way to save them is with the truth about Islam and the truth about the leopard-bear-lion beast, that is the Islamic Empire.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 11:00:42 AM
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Is the Lord showing Christians, Jews and Muslims through this 666 connection, which "man" and "beast" carries this number, as we now find ourselves in Daniel's "time of the end"?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them [Muslims] was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [Islamic empire] and the false prophet [Mohammed] [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
ccoppenbarger said;
Now the Muslims are the devil and the false prophet is Muhammad?
You keep changing your view here. Let me leave you with a passage from the same book which is also a warning.
Why are you twisting what was said. The devil decieved the muslims and the false prophet is mohammed. No reason to twist what John said just because you disagree.
I didn't twist what he said. I was pointing out contradictions in his statements, especially as he inserted into the text of the Bible what does not exist in the text of the Bible, based on his preconceived ideas.
Do you really believe this is an honest way to characterize what I did with the verse?
When the tags were inserted in brackets, and in a different color from the scriptures, expressly to indicate that they were not part of the verse?
Can you imagine a more graphically clear and concise way for me to have interjected my opinions as to exactly who is who and what is what, and where they belong, in these verses?
How about let the scriptures speak for themselves and let other scripture interpret scriptures instead of injecting something from the outside into scripture.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 3:58:00 PM
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Folks underestimate evil spirits. Just as Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, Muslims are guided by the spirit of antichrist.
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John, my friend, I don't underestimate evil spirits. I have had many battles with them in my time.
What concerns me is, that you label Islam as antichrist out of context to it's meaning in scripture.
The Greek word "anti" here means instead of, not against. A false Christ, a deceiver.
Please, can you give me any proof from scripture that Islam is the beast, and Muhammed is the false prophet.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 5:20:00 PM
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Why then, all the demonstration of "sealing" the 144,000?
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Sorry, but I see angels performing some kind of sealing, whether visible to the natural eye or not, I don't know.
Coop
Good afternoon Coop -
It basically means the same thing - (Just on the opposite end of the spectrum), notice it says till we have sealed the servants in their foreheads, not on their foreheads. The 144k are Gods elect. However, the elect dont know who they are. May be me, may be you, no one knows until its time for them to know
The sealing of the 144k means that these people must all have the definitive, unquestionable truth of God sealed in their minds. They will know the truth, and nothing they are told by anyone else will have any bearing on what they believe, because they will believe, and know the truth. These people have been pre-destined by God. It makes no bearing on how they've lived their life. When God decides to seal the truth in them, thats it, they are forever changed.
A prime example of such would be Saul. Saul was a vile, viscious, and cruel persecutor of Christians. He found great pleasure in killing them. Then (as Im sure you know) God struck him down on the road to Damascus. From that point on, Saul became the great Apostle Paul.
Also, just to be clear - Note I said Paul was an example....Not necessarily one of the 144k.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 5:50:41 PM
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John -
In regards to your question concerning the beast......
It seems as though you have been misled in your view of the antichrist....
When reading scripture we must remember that the Bible was written in two different languages. The OT in Hebrew, the NT in Greek. In our English language, the prefix "Anti" means "Against, or opposition". In Greek, the prefix "Anti" means "Instead of", or, "In the place of". That said, Paul tells us the following...
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (II Thess 2: 3-4)
Satan himself is the AC as described above by Paul.
Note Revelation 17:10 - And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
This is referring to satan, and the past roles he has played, i.e. The deceiver of Eve, the accuser of Job, the tempter of Christ, etc etc etc... as well as the role he currently plays, and the role he will play in the future.
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By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. What god desires is in your heart.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 5:51:37 PM
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Folks underestimate evil spirits. Just as Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, Muslims are guided by the spirit of antichrist.
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John, my friend, I don't underestimate evil spirits. I have had many battles with them in my time.
What concerns me is, that you label Islam as antichrist out of context to it's meaning in scripture.
The Greek word "anti" here means instead of, not against. A false Christ, a deceiver. Antichrist is a spirit that inhabits one that denies that Jesus is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus is the Christ. Anyone and everyone.
Regarding the term antichrist and all the verses related to that term on that thread: http://www.ibelieve.com/ANTICHRIST/m_2303131/tm.htm
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Please, can you give me any proof from scripture that Islam is the beast, and Muhammed is the false prophet.
It's a pretty short trail to the beast.
Daniel discussed 4 beasts in Chapter 7, described as a lion, bear, leopard and 4th "terrible" beast.
He also defines the term beast when used in the figurative language of his dream:
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ...
Conservative bible scholars recognize these beasts that Daniel clearly defines as kingdoms as being the successive kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Pursia, Greece and the fourth being the Roman Empire.
You can Yahoo it or click here.
The next and only other time we see these beasts together is in the figurative language of a John's vision.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his [Daniel's beast is "his"] feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
We already know how a beast is defined, and so in this verse we find a kingdom that is a composite of the first 3 of Daniel's successive kingdom/beasts. A composite kingdom of Babylon, Medo-Pursia and ancient Greece.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 6:17:28 PM
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Folks underestimate evil spirits. Just as Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, Muslims are guided by the spirit of antichrist.
This implies that demonic spirits have powers comparable to the Spirit of God. Personally, I consider that very unlikely. Human beings are more than capable of being evil on their own, and if they weren't, they wouldn't be responsible for their actions.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 6:24:14 PM
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John, Daniel 7:23 He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.
Notice; It will be different from all other kingdoms, not like the first three!!
You could put forward a United States of Europe as the beast, with the east European countries already joining, and Turkey trying to join. Whats to say, Iraq, Iran and Syria won't join as well.
As I've already said, it's all conjecture until it all starts to kick in. Lets just pray we won't be deceived.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 6:46:50 PM
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John, Daniel 7:23 He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.
Notice; It will be different from all other kingdoms, not like the first three!!
You could put forward a United States of Europe as the beast, with the east European countries already joining, and Turkey trying to join. Whats to say, Iraq, Iran and Syria won't join as well.
As I've already said, it's all conjecture until it all starts to kick in. Lets just pray we won't be deceived.
Yes, how dare that 4th kingdom of men dare to try and have influence with men. LOL
Da:2:43:
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another,
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 8:32:03 PM
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John, Daniel 7:23 He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.
Notice; It will be different from all other kingdoms, not like the first three!!
Well if Daniel gave you that explanation he probably gave it to you because you have a doctrinal ax to grind. The truth of the verse is apparent. [edit: I wrote the above sentence in misunderstanding. Sorry] I'll quote the whole thing:
Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Four beasts. The fourth beast is the fourth kingdom. All kingdoms. Four kingdoms. They were each different. Successive kingdoms. [edit: I think I wrote the prior sentence from misunderstanding. Please excuse me. I got it in my head that you were indicating that the first three weren't kingdoms. My apology.]
You're correct. The 4th was diverse - the Roman Empire - did conquer the "whole earth". We can understand an ethnographic hermeneutic in this verse. The "whole earth" was the whole known earth at the time it did the conquering. Then it was knocked off by the Islamic First Jihad. John's 7th beast.
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You could put forward a United States
You could put forward Pieoria Illiinois or Timbucktoo, but you wouldn't be able to support it with scripture. I depend on the bible to explain itself, but I don't use any modern new age pop-versions.
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of Europe as the beast, with the east European countries already joining, and Turkey trying to join. Whats to say, Iraq, Iran and Syria won't join as well.
Iraq, Iran and Syria ARE IT. The seat of the beast. The Islamic empire is the beast. This is supportable with scripture. Iraq, Iran and Syria Lebanon occupy the same approximate geography as Babylon, Medo-Pursia and ancient Greece.
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http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm#lbl_map
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As I've already said, it's all conjecture until it all starts to kick in. Lets just pray we won't be deceived.
Is it conjecture, or simply letting the bible explain itself? In just a few posts we have been able to establish that the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation chapter 13, is the Islamic empire seated in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. As we read the chapter we learn that Satan gives this beast his power, his seat, and great authority. And so it is.
Islam is the opposite of Christianity. Christians are in Christ and Islam is antichrist. No conjecture here either. In the words of their god:
"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Surah 9.30"
That is the spirit of antichrist specifically enunciated in their "holy" book. The quran is the mouth of this beast. Doesn't it follow then that Mohammed is the false prophet of the same chapter. He is leading 1.2 billion Muslims to perdition as I write. Even their holy book promises them a stop-off in hell first. The Christian bible makes it clear that there is no commuting. How's that for a conspicuous snare?!
Not one Christian in a hundred in this forum, can see the simple explaination of the beast of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 we explored earlier, because of knee-jerk doctrinal blindness. Imagine how hard it would be for a Muslim to see!
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 8:43:01 PM
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Folks underestimate evil spirits. Just as Christians are guided by the Holy Spirit, Muslims are guided by the spirit of antichrist.
This implies that demonic spirits have powers comparable to the Spirit of God.
It makes no such implication at all. Nor would I ever. I have repeatedly stated that for a Christian to be influenced by them, they generally come by inadvertant invitation (and also by generational happenstance).
Satan is a pipsqueak and can have no power over a Christian with a strong relationship in Christ.
But there is a reason that the bible instructs us to "try the spirits". And if you have someone in your church that is speaking in tongues and they are not tested you are not following scripture.
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Personally, I consider that very unlikely. Human beings are more than capable of being evil on their own, and if they weren't, they wouldn't be responsible for their actions.
I look at it as a spiritual battle with Satan as the pipsqueak. That certainly doesn't mean we can't be tempted into the stuff of his world, even on a daily basis. This isn't about the tooth fairy.
Satan offered the stuff of this place - these kingdoms - to Jesus if He fell on his knees, but He refused it. Did Jesus question Satan's ownership of it?
Just turn on your TV if you want to understand who's in charge of this world.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 9:06:27 PM
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bob97
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It’s interesting, if you go back and read the prophets, Isaiah, Zephaniah, etcetera and see what countries that God continues to talk about destroying with his wrath, it is always those who surround Israel and these countries are today all Islamic. To me at this give a clue what countries will be involved in the last days,
There is nothing new in the Bible and everything that has happened in the past is a window to the future.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Bob
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/11/2007 9:21:05 PM
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JohnWilliams
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ORIGINAL: bob97
It’s interesting, if you go back and read the prophets, Isaiah, Zephaniah, etcetera and see what countries that God continues to talk about destroying with his wrath, it is always those who surround Israel and these countries are today all Islamic. To me at this give a clue what countries will be involved in the last days,
There is nothing new in the Bible and everything that has happened in the past is a window to the future.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Bob
For 27 years Skolfield has written about the central role of Islam in the end-times. This was back during the cold war when some in the church thought communism was the whore of babylon and Russia was the beast.
They still can't seem to shake the "revived" Roman Empire bit (the beast that "is" as John wrote, of which the 7th and 8th "are not") even as we watch Europe fall to Islam. I do believe the scarlet beast to indicate a global collective elite ruling behind the scenes though. The CFR/Club of Rome.
The false prophet is a great read and easy for the everyday saint to understand. It's simply a bible study written by a 79 year old that was raised in the scriptures on his mother's knee as missionaries in the Phillippines when he was a child. Later he studied at Columbia Bible College specializing in eschatology and biblical archaeology. Pastored a church for many years, was in the world for several more, then returned to the scriptures:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_false_prophet.htm
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/12/2007 12:44:40 AM
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Wayfaring Stranger
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ORIGINAL: bob97
It’s interesting, if you go back and read the prophets, Isaiah, Zephaniah, etcetera and see what countries that God continues to talk about destroying with his wrath, it is always those who surround Israel and these countries are today all Islamic. To me at this give a clue what countries will be involved in the last days,
There is nothing new in the Bible and everything that has happened in the past is a window to the future.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Bob
Hi Bob,
Jesus returns to Jerusalem at His return, judgment of the nations starts there but it certainly doesn't stop there, it covers the whole Earth. While a person might be able to find some old maps that show where these are precisely vs:26 would seem to cover the Globe.
Jer:25:17:
Then took I the cup at the LORD's hand,
and made all the nations to drink,
unto whom the LORD had sent me:
Jer:25:18:
To wit,
Jerusalem,
and the cities of Judah,
and the kings thereof,
and the princes thereof,
to make them a desolation,
an astonishment,
an hissing,
and a curse;
as it is this day;
Jer:25:19:
Pharaoh king of Egypt,
and his servants,
and his princes,
and all his people;
Jer:25:20:
And all the mingled people,
and all the kings of the land of Uz,
and all the kings of the land of the Philistines,
and Ashkelon,
and Azzah,
and Ekron,
and the remnant of Ashdod,
Jer:25:21:
Edom,
and Moab,
and the children of Ammon,
Jer:25:22:
And all the kings of Tyrus,
and all the kings of Zidon,
and the kings of the isles which are beyond the sea,
Jer:25:23:
Dedan,
and Tema,
and Buz,
and all that are in the utmost corners,
Jer:25:24:
And all the kings of Arabia,
and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,
Jer:25:25:
And all the kings of Zimri,
and all the kings of Elam,
and all the kings of the Medes,
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Jer:25:31:
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Jer:25:32:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
Can you think of any Nation not involved?
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/12/2007 9:27:38 AM
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TheosCentric
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For 27 years Skolfield has written about the central role of Islam in the end-times. This was back during the cold war when some in the church thought communism was the whore of babylon and Russia was the beast.
I thought I recognized some of your arguments. Sorry, but Skolfield is just playing a numbers game with the Bible. There's not much truth to what he's pushing in trying to say Islam is the antichrist.
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RE: 666 and Islam - The Mark of the Beast - 4/12/2007 10:05:41 AM
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bob97
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Hi Stranger,
Don’t you find it interesting that almost all of the world’s conflicts are contained in Europe and almost without fail they involve Japhetic descendant? There are a couple of expectations such as Iraq but still their involvement biblically has been continuous. Also don’t you find that it interesting the major stumbling block in world history has been the control of Jerusalem and or the elimination of the Jews? If you took away the push for Islamic domination today, the world would be a pretty safe place.
No Stranger I have to feel that the main thrust of the tribulation in the last week will be contained in the Middle East, nothing has changed.
Bob
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