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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2005 5:07:44 PM
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scary_girl
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What men don't like to mention is that the same verse also talks about men submitting to their wives. It's a two street.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2005 5:10:29 PM
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I'd like to address a few things...
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When Paul wrote this letter, it was a general CUSTOM of that day in Corinth that women wore veils in public.
Concerning "custom", I won't argue that custom during Paul's time included women covering their heads. However, I am NOT sure if all ancient provinces practiced head covering. I do not see Paul referring to custom as a reasoning for his argument, so I go by what he said, not what commentators believe.
Paul's reasoning for the practice reflects upon God's order, not societies' order. Paul instructs the believers in Corinth to imitate him, even as he imitates Christ. Paul is not telling those in Corinth to imitate societies' standards. If that were the case, he wouldn't have to bother with this argument to begin with(according to commentators, women of Paul's time practiced headcovering to begin with).
Paul appeals to God's societal order, not a worldly standard.
First of all, what exactly does it mean to cover one's head? Covering one's head infers that one is HIDING their head. In other words, their authority is not in SIGHT. It is an act of submission and obedience to God's established authority. This is not an issue of legalism as many believe, but rather God is honored by our obedience, and He wholeheartedly deserves our obedience. Jesus stated that those who loved Him would obey His commandments. Obedience is a TEST, a test of where one's loyalties/love lies.
Even angels abide by God's orders concerning their submission to one another. There are higher and lower rankings of angels, and if they stepped outside of their ranking, this would be rebellion, JUST AS IT WAS WITH SATAN. This is a VERY paramount issue within Christ's body. Satan desired to be ABOVE his position, he was not content with God's structure and plan. He believed that his position should be that of God's position.
Does God's body want the spirit of antichrist to be within her? Listen to what that spirit says...."(NKJV) 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Continuing on under a cultural pretext, shall I go by society/the world for my standard of right living? American society at large is entirely PERVERTED and has lost it's way. Families are being ravaged as the man is no longer in authority, the woman rules, and the kids are left to themselves. Rebellion is running rampant in American society. The pride of life and outward appearance is the main dish at America's kitchen table!
Why would I want to IMITATE this society? What this society calls GOOD, is actually EVIL. What this society calls EVIL, is actually GOOD.
I have a news flash for everyone here. God did not set up His government as a DEMOCRACY. No, No, No, NO!!! There will NOT be voting in HEAVEN to determine God's laws. His laws are SUPREME, NO CONTEST. I love serving/OBEYING my heavenly DICTATOR!!! HALLELUJAH!!!
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2005 5:38:36 PM
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This thread is interesting and everyone has done well debating this. I will say why I wear a head covering.
The scripture which is being debated, I interpret as a woman should not pray or prophesy without her head covered. Thats all there is to it, as far as I see. Now I also cover my head as a sign of humbleness. Jesus humbled himself as a man, and I too should humble myself in the sight of God.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
All this time we spend on our hair, cutting it, dying it, styling it, braiding it, God has no pleasure in. We use our hair for beauty today and in the house of the Lord I don't need to be showing off my hair. I cover my vanity when I come to the Lord.
At church I wear a hat usually, sometimes I wrap a scarf around it. Once, when I came straight from work and didn't have anything, I wore my boyfriends toque (yes toque, I'm Canadian). I wear my head covering during service but take it off when leaving church. Anytime we gather together to study the Bible or praise the Lord we cover our heads. We are also supposed to cover our heads any time we individually pray or study. Now there have been many times where we have gone into prayer spontaneously and we do not have anything, or the time to get anything to cover our heads, and we still pray. I am going to make every effort I can to cover my head but if I can't I am not going to stop it from letting me praise my God. Anyways thats my story. its very interesting to hear everyone discuss this, I didn't realize so many churches still practice head covering.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2005 1:14:20 AM
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I avoid legalistic prescriptions for holiness, and I totally steer clear of churches that put more emphasis on things such as this than they do on the grace and mercy of our Lord.
Since the Lord's Supper and the woman's head covering are both contained in the same chapter, should we also conclude that the Lord's supper is a "legalistic prescription for holiness"? I trust you see the fallacy of your argument.
Ezra,
Paul concluded the section on head coverings and hair and all that with 1 Cor 11:15, saying: But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. In other words, it makes no real difference in the long run, do what suits you and leave others alone about it. We can only speculate on why Paul wrote about this at all, but I think probably someone asked about it, or tried to make an issue of it in the church. The church at Corinth had a lot of problems, not the least of which was members who niggled and criticized one another over trivial matters, as well as taking pride in allowing major sin in their ranks.
His passage regarding the Lord's Supper, does not begin immediately after his disertation on hair/head covering, but rather, following his message to them about what he has heard regarding divisions and heresies which they also approved. (verses 17-19)
And what he says about the Lord's Supper is also written as a correction because of the improper way they were observing this holy remembrance.
So, to answer your question: According to Paul, head covering is optional.
However, observing the Lord's Supper in remembrance of Him is an integral part of our relationship with Him. It not only symbolizes His broken body and shed blood, but also serves to remind us of the Divine hope we have of sharing in this with Him when His kingdome comes.
Luke 22:15-16 And He said unto them, "With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God." Luke 22:17-19 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said "Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come."Luke 22:19-10 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying "This is My body, which is given for you; this do in remembrance of Me." Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you."
In conclusion, I will say that things done in the genuine spirit of worship and devotion is beautiful to the Lord. But, when a congregation or a denomination lays down legalistic prescriptions for behavior and/or appearance, which observed are supposed to impart a greater sense of holiness, then to me this is spiritual bondage. Christ made me free. (Legalistic="you absolutely must, or you absolutely must not...this or that... for fear of being disciplined)
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2005 10:49:35 AM
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saintgrace
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1 Cor 11:15, saying: But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. In other words, it makes no real difference in the long run, do what suits you and leave others alone about it.
How do you get "It doesn't matter" out of that phrase??? 
It makes much more sense if contentiousness is the custom referred to--ie: "You contentious people, cut it out!" 
According to Matthew Henry's commentary: " He (Paul) sums up all by referring to the usages and customs of the churches, v. 16. The common practice of the churches is what he would have them govern themselves by.
Now really folks, is this something we need to be arguing about? Is it going to affect our salvation in some way? I'll answer both questions for you: No, and No.
It's not whether a woman has her head covered or not that is the real issue here anyway. It's whether she knows her place in the spiritual order of things. (this I do recognize and follow). The man must also realize his position, but at the same time, he must not abuse his power by being tyranical to his spouse, because he will answer to God for that. God created woman for man so that they may be mutual comfort and help to one another. The head covering, or whatever else we do, whether male or female should be joyful service, not grim duty. God does not desire our sacrifices, He wants our hearts.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 9:32:11 AM
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Now really folks, is this something we need to be arguing about? Is it going to affect our salvation in some way? I'll answer both questions for you: No, and No.
Making this issue a question of salvation is fallacious (red herring), for there are a lot of other important issues at stake in the Christian walk. The most important issue here is obedience vs. rebellion. Pride is what got Adam and Eve in trouble, can you believe pride is still on the devil’s menu.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 9:35:07 AM
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Paul appeals to God's societal order, not a worldly standard.
First of all, what exactly does it mean to cover one's head? Covering one's head infers that one is HIDING their head. In other words, their authority is not in SIGHT. It is an act of submission and obedience to God's established authority. This is not an issue of legalism as many believe, but rather God is honored by our obedience, and He wholeheartedly deserves our obedience. Jesus stated that those who loved Him would obey His commandments. Obedience is a TEST, a test of where one's loyalties/love lies.
Can you state your source(s) for your definition of head covering?
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 7:28:52 PM
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Now really folks, is this something we need to be arguing about?
That's exactly what Paul was saying in verse 16, but you seem to have missed it. Paul is saying, stop arguing about this and simply do it as a commandment of the Lord.
You claim that Christ has your heart? Then show it by obedience to His command. Peter says "be clothed with humility" and Paul says "cover your head" to show that you are clothed with humility. Peter says "don't wear elaborate hairdos and ornamentation in your hair", while Paul says "hide the glory of your hair in God's presence". No conflict, just complementary teachinigs.
Gal 3:1-3 Oh FOOLISH Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
As I said before, I do not believe this to be a matter on which salvation hinges. Suffice it to say that we may debate it vigorously, but we need not divide over it.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 7:34:53 PM
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saintgrace
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Now really folks, is this something we need to be arguing about?
That's exactly what Paul was saying in verse 16, but you seem to have missed it. Paul is saying, stop arguing about this and simply do it as a commandment of the Lord.
You claim that Christ has your heart? Then show it by obedience to His command. Peter says "be clothed with humility" and Paul says "cover your head" to show that you are clothed with humility. Peter says "don't wear elaborate hairdos and ornamentation in your hair", while Paul says "hide the glory of your hair in God's presence". No conflict, just complementary teachinigs.
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You claim that Christ has your heart? Then show it by obedience to His command. Peter says "be clothed with humility" and Paul says "cover your head" to show that you are clothed with humility. Peter says "don't wear elaborate hairdos and ornamentation in your hair", while Paul says "hide the glory of your hair in God's presence". No conflict, just complementary teachinigs.
Ezra, you do not know me well enough to attack me personally. I forgive you for this, and ask that you refrain from similar posts in the future.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 9:39:10 PM
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saintgrace
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Now really folks, is this something we need to be arguing about? Is it going to affect our salvation in some way? I'll answer both questions for you: No, and No.
Making this issue a question of salvation is fallacious (red herring), for there are a lot of other important issues at stake in the Christian walk. The most important issue here is obedience vs. rebellion. Pride is what got Adam and Eve in trouble, can you believe pride is still on the devil’s menu.
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Making this issue a question of salvation is fallacious (red herring), for there are a lot of other important issues at stake in the Christian walk. The most important issue here is obedience vs. rebellion. Pride is what got Adam and Eve in trouble, can you believe pride is still on the devil’s menu.
First, I do not make this an issue of salvation. Just the opposite, in fact, if you would read my post again.
As for the pride issue you mention: What of those who take pride in covering their heads? I am sure they are out there, and they know who they are.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 10:36:49 PM
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Gal 3:1-3 Oh FOOLISH Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
saintgrace-
I will gladly be called a FOOL for Christ's sake. 
...but your context of this scripture is off, Paul was not calling them legalists for covering their heads, but rather was calling them legalists for circumcision.
God is not a God of confusion, but is a God of order.
....on a personal note, I believe that headcovering strikes a nerve with many people in today's society because it is a clear statement of submission, which is very shunned by society at large. In fact, most Americans believe it is abusive of a woman's rights. I know there are a lot of things in the bible that unbelievers find offensive, but we are not called to fit in with society, but to pattern ourselves after God's own son, who also submitted himself, even to the point of death on the cross.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2005 11:19:27 PM
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I stated in my very first post on this thread, that I do not adhere to legalistic prescriptions for holiness. I further stated that this is my opinion for myself, and I dont try to push it on anyone else.
But certain members of the forum have been on me because I dont agree with them. If someone sincerely desires in his/her heart to do one thing or another as an outward demonstration of their inward love for the Lord, that is fine with me. It's beautiful and I admire them for it.
However, when someone tells me that I MUST this... or I MUST NOT that because the Bible says it, and further states that my heart isnt right if I dont see the need of it in my own walk with the Lord, then it becomes legalism and I challenge it. (This is true whether it is head covering, circumcision, or some other thing).
The essence in being Christian to me is that Jesus has saved me from my sins, and through the act of repentence I have turned from my sins and continue to live through Him a life reflects this change to others. What I choose to put on my head will never be as important to me as what I have in my heart.
Head covering has never been important to me and probably never will be important to me. If leaving my head uncovered is a sin, God will convict me, and then I will confess the sin of not covering my head, repent of it and cover my head for Him with a willing and happy heart. But there isnt any human being who can force me to do this.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2005 4:37:01 AM
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I stated in my very first post on this thread, that I do not adhere to legalistic prescriptions for holiness. I further stated that this is my opinion for myself, and I dont try to push it on anyone else.
by this statement, it appears that you consider headcovering to be legalism, is that true?
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But certain members of the forum have been on me because I dont agree with them. If someone sincerely desires in his/her heart to do one thing or another as an outward demonstration of their inward love for the Lord, that is fine with me. It's beautiful and I admire them for it.
Whatever a christian does in obedience to the Lord is an act of love. Much obedience can be seen outwardly, such as following instructions dealing with the Lord's Supper, or baptism, and dressing modestly. Would you consider somebody legalistic for following these simple instructions?
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However, when someone tells me that I MUST this... or I MUST NOT that because the Bible says it, and further states that my heart isnt right if I dont see the need of it in my own walk with the Lord, then it becomes legalism and I challenge it. (This is true whether it is head covering, circumcision, or some other thing).
May I ask you, did you follow the instructions concerning baptism? Do you also observe the Lord's Supper? Do you dress modestly in obedience to instructions given by Peter and Paul? Would you be offended if somebody told you that you must do these things? Or that these observances are commands? I simply don't see the logic of an argument or challenge when a person is willing to obey God in every other area, yet balks at this point of headcovering.
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The essence in being Christian to me is that Jesus has saved me from my sins, and through the act of repentence I have turned from my sins and continue to live through Him a life reflects this change to others. What I choose to put on my head will never be as important to me as what I have in my heart.
Although I agree that it is not something on your head that makes you holy or not, I believe that obedience is the key. As christians we should be obedient to God in all areas of our life. This obedience can also be physically visible.
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Head covering has never been important to me and probably never will be important to me. If leaving my head uncovered is a sin, God will convict me, and then I will confess the sin of not covering my head, repent of it and cover my head for Him with a willing and happy heart. But there isnt any human being who can force me to do this.
I don't believe there is anybody here who can literally force you to cover your head, lol.  But I believe this issue of headcovering is important to you and all christians. I don't know if you read my Post #: 77
or not(or the many others which go into depth on the teaching), but these are very powerful reasons to consider.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2005 7:44:21 AM
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I loved your quote in the Room and Board newsletter, Lives. "I know there are a lot of things in the bible that unbelievers find offensive, but we are not called to fit in with society, but to pattern ourselves after God's own son, who also submitted himself, even to the point of death on the cross."
So all of the millions of Christian women around the world and right here in the US who don't wear cloth on their head are offending God? They're all unrepentant and disobedient? Funny, since the church is growing by leaps and bounds around the world, especially in the Third World. If God were so ticked off about this issue, wouldn't He be pronouncing judgement on the church? I just returned from visiting my friends and family back in the US, and the Sunday I attended, not a single woman in my home church was wearing something on her head. However, this happens to be one of the largest churches in Dallas, one that sends out several mission teams every year. I sure didn't see any sign of God's judgement, nor did I in all of the years I attended.
I have also worshipped in two other countries. I've been to open-air services with the poorest of the poor who couldn't afford a church, and I didn't see any headcoverings there, either. And yet, I saw God blessing those people more than I've seen Him blessing some Western churches. Again, if God were trying to pronounce judgement on them, I didn't see any sign of it.
When it comes to communion, Paul makes it quite clear that he is responding to a situation in the Corinthian church. In vs. 17-22, he outlines the problems the Corinthians were having in taking the Lord's Supper, and corrects them. This fits with the overall pattern of the chapter, and indeed, the entire book. Throughout the book of I Cor, Paul makes it clear that he is responding to problems that the Corinthians were having in setting up a proper worship service. Now, if you want to attempt to duplicate the I Cor church, I have no problem with that. In fact, when I was in missionary training school, our worship services were very much like the ones Paul
describes--men and women both communicated Words from the Lord during service. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.... I consider it some of the best worship I've ever attended.
As for baptism, could you please explain the rules for it? I'm not familiar with them.
And can you explain your interpretation of the phrase "she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved." Do you believe modern women who have short or no hair are sinners?
Saint, you're not the only one. I've attended church all my life, and as I said, I've worshipped in different countries. I literally never knew this was an issue until I saw it on this board. Somehow, it really doesn't surprise me that this is an issue in America.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2005 8:08:27 AM
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What men don't like to mention is that the same verse also talks about men submitting to their wives. It's a two street.
Ha ha ha. A lot of people would like to read the bible like this. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body.
Or better yet, they wish the second half of those verses could be left out. 
And speaking of bible verses, here's what I Cor 11:10 says in the original Greek. "For this reason a woman ought to have authority over her head." The phrase "sign of" does not appear. Makes a whole lot of difference when you read what Paul actually wrote.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2005 4:41:59 PM
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Good points, babbred. There's an excellent article that just came out in the latest edition of the Priscilla papers written by Dr. Walter C. Kaiser, Jr, President of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He has done some fascinating scholarship on the custom of veiling and concludes based on the evidence that the "veil as a sign of authority" was forced into translations of this verse from Gnostic influences.
Kaiser writes, "From the Jewish perspective, Paul was anxious to make clear that such a veiling ... was not only a sign of reverence to God, but unfortunately, it was also a sign of condemnation for sin and of the guilt of its wearer before the Almighty. But how could such signs be worn when 'there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus?' ... [Paul] will permit a woman to be veiled, but it is only by permission, not by obligation that he does so, for his real preference here also is for women likewise to be unveiled before God, men, and angels, especially when women are addressing God in prayer. On the contrary, women should not feel embarrassed about having their heads uncovered, for their hair is given to them as their 'glory.' In fact, the Church has no prescribed rule or custom about needing a veil."
For the full article Correcting Caricatures: The Biblical Teaching on Women, see Priscilla Papers, Vol. 19, No. 2, Spring 2005, pp 5-11
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2005 6:27:41 PM
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Good points, babbred. There's an excellent article that just came out in the latest edition of the Priscilla papers written by Dr. Walter C. Kaiser, Jr, President of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He has done some fascinating scholarship on the custom of veiling and concludes based on the evidence that the "veil as a sign of authority" was forced into translations of this verse from Gnostic influences.
Kaiser writes, "From the Jewish perspective, Paul was anxious to make clear that such a veiling ... was not only a sign of reverence to God, but unfortunately, it was also a sign of condemnation for sin and of the guilt of its wearer before the Almighty. But how could such signs be worn when 'there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus?' ... [Paul] will permit a woman to be veiled, but it is only by permission, not by obligation that he does so, for his real preference here also is for women likewise to be unveiled before God, men, and angels, especially when women are addressing God in prayer. On the contrary, women should not feel embarrassed about having their heads uncovered, for their hair is given to them as their 'glory.' In fact, the Church has no prescribed rule or custom about needing a veil."
For the full article Correcting Caricatures: The Biblical Teaching on Women, see Priscilla Papers, Vol. 19, No. 2, Spring 2005, pp 5-11
If you're going to follow the rules of communion, then you have to follow the rules of worship, too. And Paul lays out the rules for worship right there in plain English. Men and women are to pray and prophecy, men with their head uncovered and women with their head covered. So if you want to wear a head covering, that's fine by me. Just make sure you pray out loud and prophecy, too.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2005 1:48:12 PM
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based on the evidence that the "veil as a sign of authority" was forced into translations of this verse from Gnostic influences.
So the apostle Paul was a false teacher peddling Gnostic teachings, while Walter C. Kaiser is the true teacher correcting Paul!
It's amazing that when Christians don't stand for something they fall for anything. "Modern scholarship" can concoct anything from nothing, and the proof is all around us. Those who have discernment will ignore such nonsense.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2005 3:26:05 PM
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Coheir
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ORIGINAL: Ezra
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ORIGINAL: Coheir
based on the evidence that the "veil as a sign of authority" was forced into translations of this verse from Gnostic influences.
So the apostle Paul was a false teacher peddling Gnostic teachings, while Walter C. Kaiser is the true teacher correcting Paul!
It's amazing that when Christians don't stand for something they fall for anything. "Modern scholarship" can concoct anything from nothing, and the proof is all around us. Those who have discernment will ignore such nonsense.
I suggest you go back and re-read the post. Paul was not a false teacher, and neither Kaiser nor I am claiming such. I stand for the truth, not what is "tradition" or "just because that's what's always been done." The false teachers referred to are those who use cultural bias, including the influence of gnostic teachings, to read into the verse that head covering is required. Until Christians repudiate the teachings of men under the mantle of "tradition," and learn to look at scripture without reading their own biases into it, such unbiblical legalisms will endure.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2005 4:31:16 PM
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Ezra
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The false teachers are those who claim that Christians are "reading into" Scripture their own biases and traditions, or those of Gnostics, when they simply read the Word and obey it.
Since the entire passage in 1 Cor. 11:1-16 deals with "headship" and the reason why Christian women must cover their heads, to put the stamp of "legalism" on this is to actually accuse the Holy Spirit of contradicting Himself.
Paul did not manufacture this teaching from his own imagination (as Kaiser has done with his false explanation) but Paul is setting forth an "ordinance" or commandment of the Lord. Simply because it does not suit those of a feminist persuasion does not mean that it is not God's Word and should not be obeyed.
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RE: Head Covering - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2005 5:53:47 PM
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