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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/8/2005 10:36:11 AM
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skypair
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tele, tony,
I have always felt that such a setup as is seen by the Simon Magus thesis would make it possible 1) for Christ's return to be "imminent" and 2) for Satan to have his AntiChrist ready to fill the leadership vacuum in the church!
I was rereading Acts 8 last night and I noticed that when Simon Magus "believed," the Holy Spirit was not yet given through Philip -- that Peter, the one with the "keys to the kingdom," came and laid hands/conferred the Holy Spirit on all BUT Simon. Ostensibly, Simon did not have "saving" faith but only the belief that OT Balaam had.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/11/2005 10:09:18 AM
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tele,
Keeping this thread "above water" for you.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/11/2005 1:58:57 PM
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berean_man - how have you been??? I've actually lost that other board but I did want to respond briefly on the Prince Charles comment. Tim Cohen wrote a book in 1998 that contains a lot of evidence - more than just the Coat of Arms - that really does point to him as the "man of perdition." Certainly too detailed to post in a forum but to those interested, there is an article below that explains at least a little of the evidence found in the book:
View the Article Here
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/12/2005 8:39:52 AM
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Cameron,
I was a little put off by the "historicist" title of the website, too. But from another board, I had found the same info written by the original author - much better illustratred BTW. If I rediscover that source, I'll also link it here.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/14/2005 9:04:57 PM
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Hello,
I wanted to share my thoughts about Revelation's "Babylon", and the message to "COME OUT OF HER". I figured that this would be the best place to begin.
Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Revelation 18:4-5 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
I. Escape from Religious Babylon.
Before Jesus Christ returns there is a message that is going to fill this world, and that message is to those who will be saved and it warns them to Come out of Babylon, for she is fallen and has become the habitation of devils and every foul spirit.
This message, is a message of love, a message urgency, and a message of warning.
It is with love that the Great God of heaven pleads to a compromised and lukewarm church world to separate and truly be his special people. With love he cries out for those of which he has given his Son to come and be his precious jewels.
It is with urgency that he cries, for time is short, the Son is about ready to step down from glory and receive his precious bride, a bride that has made herself ready. Behold the bridegroom cometh, you need to be ready to meet him; have your lamps full, trimmed and burning.
And this message is a warning, if you will not heed the call, and forsake Babylon, then you are wilfully choosing to partake in her evil, you are wilfully supporting her abominations, and you will suffer the wrath that has been stored up against her. Just like her, you will be given to the burning flame of destruction.
So there is a road that we must trod, a path we must travel, a highway to walk, and that road leads you out of Babylon and into New Jerusalem. And on this road you will have a guide to follow, and that guide is the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, and he leads his people always away from Babylon, and never into Babylon.
Now turn with me to Revelation 17:1
WHO IS BABYLON? First there is Religious Babylon.
Revelation 17:1,5 ¶ And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters... And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
BABYLON CAN BE IN THE FORM OF CHRISTIANITY
It is hard for some to phantom that Babylon is ‘religious’ and that it often cloaks itself in the name of “Christianity”. But it shouldn’t surprise us, for Jesus warned that there would be many who would come in his name, and would deceive many. Paul and John warned of the mystery of iniquity that was beginning to work in the mist of the church in their day.
I warn you friends, just because it is called “Christian”, doesn’t mean that it is. There are things that are called “Christian” that will take you straight to hell.
There is a song that says, “Babylon is still all around us, and those who don’t worship are few. It is still a beast with horns, but it looks like a Lamb to you”. And it is true, the reason Babylon is so deceptive is because it is a wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing.
CHARACTERISTICS OF BABYLON
Spiritually Babylon is any religion that is not faithful to the One True GOD, But this Mother of Harlots is a religious system that claims to be the bride of Christ, but is not true to his word. In the Old Testament God would tell the Jewish nation that they had played the harlot when they worshiped other gods, or practiced their pagan customs, and that is what he proclaims this religious system to be a harlot.
They profess him with their mouths, but their hearts are far from him. She is a hypocrite system.
Religious Babylon is confused. For the term Babylon means confusion. It is a system that has fornicated with the kings of the earth, and has lain and mingled with other false systems. It is a Church that has laid aside the commandments of GOD so that it could adopt the customs of the world. It is a system that exalts the traditions of men above and beyond the word of GOD.
Who is this mystery babylon the great? She rides upon the Roman Empire. She has shed the blood of the saints. She has spread her religious confusion through out the world. She is located upon seven hills, and she is the city that reigned over the kings of the earth in John’s day. She has great riches, and purple and scarlet are two shades of her religious attire. Mystery Babylon is almost universally recognized as the Roman Catholic Institution.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/14/2005 9:06:24 PM
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Religious Babylon has daughters
Now you may wipe your brow, and say with a sigh of relief “I am not a Catholic”. But I want you to notice that MYSTERY BABYLON has daughters. She is the Mother of Harlots. This means there are other institutions in the world today that sprung from her womb, who are merely the daughters of Babylon.
Rome tells us that she is the “Mother and Mistress of all churches”.
How can we spot a daughter of Babylon?
Ezekiel 16:44 tells us: As is the mother, so is her daughter.
The same characteristics that make the Roman Church Babylon, are found in her daughters to a certain extent, and thus they are Babylon by nature.
The daughters of Babylon are filled with confusion and abominations just like the Mother. Here are but a few examples:
In Mystery Babylon, you have homosexuals running wild in the priesthood. In some of the daughters of Babylon you not only have homosexuals professing to be ‘christians’ sitting on the pews, you even have them spouting poison behind the pulpits. Today homosexuality isn’t called a filthy sin by the church, but a lifestyle choice. That’s an abomination.
Halloween is a holy day to the Roman Harlot. Her daughters celebrate it too. Can you believe that you have ‘Christians celebrating the witches new year right in the church houses? ‘Christians’ teaching their children the way of the heathen. And that is an abomination, God did not tell us to adopt the way of the heathen, but he said to learn it not.
Not only Halloween, but her daughters have adopted and do observe the other ‘baptized pagan’ holidays that were instituted by the whore of Rome. Days that originated in Satanism and witchcraft and only stand on the authority of Rome. That’s an abomination.
Rome contradicts God and says the soul cannot die. You have leaders in these other churches who agree with Rome, and contradict God. You have men who teach you fly off to heaven when you die, or are cast into hell at death, even though the bible teaches we are reserved in the grave, the dead sleep until the resurrection. That is confusion.
You have men, like Rome, who say that the Son of GOD, who came from heaven, didn’t die upon the cross, only the fleshly shell died, the person from heaven descended into purgatory to preach to the dead. Even though the bible says that the soul of Christ died and was made an offering for sin, and that those who are dead KNOW NOTHING! And can’t even remember God Almighty! That is confusion.
Mystery Babylon says that she removed the Blessedness of the Sabbath, from the Seventh Day, and placed it upon the first day of the week. And the daughters of Rome are quick to obey her traditions. Even though Only God can make a day THE Sabbath, and God didn’t make Sunday anything besides a common work day. The ignoring of the Sabbath in honor of Sunday is SIN and it is confusion.
Now you might say, “People just don’t know”. But WHY don’t they know? The bible says the “Whole duty of man is to fear GOD and to Keep his commandments”. The leaders of God’s people are to make a clear distinction between the clean and the unclean, the holy and the profane. We are to keep and teach other men to keep the Law of GOD. Loving and obeying GOD is more important than the food we eat, the air we breath and the water we drink. He has blessed us with his word, and it is our duty to study to shew ourselves approved. What excuse will the leaders of Babylon make on Judgment day? “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE”
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/14/2005 11:42:42 PM
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Dear Shane:
God does not lie.
Here's a scriptural prophecy:
"Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it."
In Christ,
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/15/2005 12:30:31 AM
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Meep Meep
No, God does not lie, but that is one of the most "used out of context" scriptures in history. You should look at post 21 on the thread, and follow the links on that.
Shane
Ellen White was a false prophet.
The basis of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. The foundation of the faith is laid down by the twelve apostles. It has nothing to do with popes or false prophets. The daughters of the harlot continue to lay down that you must follow this or that leader, holy person, or prophet, one from whom you must get the gnosis for salvation - confusion! Follow Christ, because there is no mediator between man and God. Apart from Him.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/15/2005 12:57:03 AM
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Shane et al,
Who is the Bride? Is it not the sum total of all the righteous?
What is New J? Is it not the home of the Bride and even refered to as the Bride?
So, if Revelation is a book of dichotomies, expressing symbols and opposites, what would be their opposites?
The harlot is the opposite picture of a virgin bride?
Therefore, the harlot must represent the sum total of the wicked and Babylon their symbolic home.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/15/2005 1:02:47 PM
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I agree Ellen White was of the Devil.
And So is the Pope.
Who ever you obey, is your Lord.
I believe in Obeying God's WORD, and Worshipping and serving Him according to his Word. With NO compromises.
Most of the 'Protestant' World bows to Rome, and obeys Babylon instead of the Bible. For example:
God Says not to learn the way of the heathen.
The Pope says "Blend and incorporate".
Who do you bow to? Do you think "Salvation by Grace", means you can live like a devil and disobey God? I hope not. That is a doctrine of Babylon.
Quote from the Catholic publication ‘Our Sunday Visitor’, February 5, 1950: “Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church. They accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change. But the Protestants mind does not seem to realize that in observing Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church – The Pope.”
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/15/2005 1:06:30 PM
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I believe Daniel is a precursor to Revelation. That we can understand Revelations by studying Daniel.
In Daniel is 7 Prophecies and 7 Stories. The 7 Stories are more important than the Prophecies, because they teach us how we are to live.
Look at the similitude:
The SEAL OF GOD
In the vision of Daniel 2, King Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of a great image. The image was of a metal man. The man was made up of four different metals, and the fourth metal deteriorated into iron and clay at the feet of the image. We have learned that the four metals represent four world empires.
Who did the head of gold represent? Dan 2:37-38 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
Would Babylon last for ever or would it be overthrown by another kingdom? Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Each metal in the dream represented a succeeding kingdom, the kingdom of gold (Babylon) would soon give way to the kingdom of Silver which was medo-persia. But King Nebuchadnezzar did not want his kingdom to come to an end, so he had something built.
What did the king have built? Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
The King had an image built, a statue of a man that was about 100 feet tall and 12 feet wide; much like the one of his dream; except this image was made of solid GOLD, from the head to the feet was gold. King Nebuchadnezzar made a counterfeit to the image GOD had showed him in a dream, and with this image he was telling GOD that there would be no other kingdom after Babylon; there would be no breast of silver, or belly of brass or legs of iron; but Babylon alone shall rule for all time.
All the important people of the kingdom was called to come to the dedication, this of course would of included the King of Judah; along with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. Daniel was obviously out of the area at this time.
Now what were all these important people to do when they heard the music played? Daniel 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
They were commanded to bow and worship the image of Babylon. So here we see what has been a prominent part of mankind’s history; the union of religion with government: Church and State.
What would be the punishment for those who refused to bow? Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
What do the first two of GOD’s 10 commandments say? Exo 20:3-4 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
So the choice was given by the Babylonian Government, either disobey GOD and worship the way we say, or DIE.
Is this sounding familiar to our Readers? Kinda' reminds you of Rev 13???
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 3:49:41 PM
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 4:28:02 PM
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No, no, no, it's all about anyone who prostitutes themselves for money: a Scab.
Anyone who takes the job of a union worker is represented by the Harlot on the beast.
Gee, this pin the tail on the donkey game is fun!
Who else wants to say what the Harlot is?
Can we do it with charades?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 5:19:56 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: shanecruey
Quote from the Catholic publication ‘Our Sunday Visitor’, February 5, 1950: “Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church. They accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change. But the Protestants mind does not seem to realize that in observing Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church – The Pope.”
I would not have thought that you would have read so much into the opinions of the Catholic church. How do you decide which opinions of the pope to believe? When it suits your purpose?
I am so glad that you have said that your God is the one you obey. (Or something like that). God has told me to fellowship with a certain group of believers. Since they fellowship on a Sunday, then I have the choice if following God, or following you. So, lets see. Maybe I could organise my own church! Call it "Tonys Very Exclusive Church of The Latter Day Saint Who only Worships on Saturday". Is that not a great title! I would need lots of rules of course, otherwise there could be some undesirables wanting to join. Shudder!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 5:25:07 PM
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
And your basis for judging the motives of people is what?
And just which faith or sect are you promoting?
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 7:15:49 PM
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Quote from the Catholic publication ‘Our Sunday Visitor’, February 5, 1950: “Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church. They accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change. But the Protestants mind does not seem to realize that in observing Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church – The Pope.”
I think the Orthodox Church would probably say the same of Rome; they broke off from the Orthodox Church.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 7:21:08 PM
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The King had an image built, a statue of a man that was about 100 feet tall
Shane,
Don't think of it as 100 feet. Think of it as a "full-measure". The statue was 60 cubits high. Babylonian math is based on a base-60 instead of our base 10. We still use Babylonian math to measure time and space. Both seconds and minutes are used in time and surveyor's coordinates.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/17/2005 9:32:41 PM
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
And your basis for judging the motives of people is what?
And just which faith or sect are you promoting?
It's quite obvious if you read it. How many churches claim to spread the word of God only to adorn their buildings with gold and statues.
Many Catholic and mainline protestant churches now do this. They don't explain the gospel as it is and many deny the resurrection and diety of Christ. I think that would qualify for the prophecy. Iv'e seen many churches do this. The Vatican is political and corrupt. The richest organization in the world. It's the Vatican that is working to unify Christianity, Judiasim, and Islam. Get it, { The One World Religion/Government. } Look around and observe. All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.
As far as me promoting a sect or denomination, Im not. I don't believe in denominations and don't belong to one. Im a Christian, PERIOD.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 5:36:43 AM
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quote:
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Yes, what is mentioned in the bible as the Great Whore, but this just isin't about the Roman Catholic church, it's about all mainline organized Christianity. This would include many Protestants as well. Any faith or sect that prostitutes the word of God for money or material things is part of this.
And your basis for judging the motives of people is what?
And just which faith or sect are you promoting?
It's quite obvious if you read it. How many churches claim to spread the word of God only to adorn their buildings with gold and statues.
Many Catholic and mainline protestant churches now do this. They don't explain the gospel as it is and many deny the resurrection and diety of Christ. I think that would qualify for the prophecy. Iv'e seen many churches do this. The Vatican is political and corrupt. The richest organization in the world. It's the Vatican that is working to unify Christianity, Judiasim, and Islam. Get it, { The One World Religion/Government. } Look around and observe. All you have to do is put 2 and 2 together.
As far as me promoting a sect or denomination, Im not. I don't believe in denominations and don't belong to one. Im a Christian, PERIOD.
that is all very well. however, I fellowship with a group of believers who come under a mainline denomination. I presume you include us, since you speak of all mainline denominations. And similarly, you have categorised and judged many other people who also consider themselves CHRISTIANS.
Now, our building is not ordained with gold, or with statues. And since you have not visited us, there is no way that you can say that we do not explain the gospel as it is, or that we deny the deity and resurrection of Christ. How many fellowships have you "sampled", in order to come up with this conclusion about all mainline denominations? And also, in regard to your view that it is all about money with the leaders, I will discuss this with our newly appointed Pastor, who has given up a presumably very well paying job in local government management, in order to take on a modest remuneration in full time ministry. I am sure that he would be highly amused.
So, you don't belong to a denomination. You are a Christian. This is very commendable, because I also hold the view that faith in Christ is the determinant of salvation. Many people have a faith in a leader, or an organisation, as a surrogate to their faith in Christ. However, we are told to fellowship with other believers, and I personally believe that we can not function effectively in a vacuum. What we term "church", is usually simply a gathering of believers with similar outlooks and views. And a "denomination" is often just a group of "churches", with similar outlooks and views. So, I hope you belong to a "church", if you do your "church" may or may not be part of a "denomination". However, I hope that it is not a "church" which isolates itself totally from other groups of believers, otherwise what you belong to may be a "sect". And, if you are not committed to a "church" you may be a "lone ranger". And, I warn you, I have seen many "lone rangers" get picked of by satan.
"Mystery, Babylon the Great", is false religion. It is based upon the premise of the tower of Babel, that man can ascend to the stars, raising himself to godhood through esoteric knowledge. (The tree of knowledge of good and evil) It's author and architect is satan. It is the Mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth. These include all false religions and sects, which deny salvation through Christ alone. It is also entangled through the doctrines and practices of the RC Church, and attempts to entangle itself and attack through many other groups which go by the name of Christ. It's ministers are false prophets, the many antichrists who have come forth. And it will find it's grand fulfillment in the one to come, the man of sin, the false prophet who is Antichrist.
And, be careful. Whichever group you associate with, it will attack if it can. It is very insiduous. A strong and charismatic "leader" may inadvertantly cause people to look to him, to believe his words, rather than find their own answers in the Word. A "culture" of salvation by works, and even obedience to leadership, can develop over time. Also pride through "exclusivism" - ie "we are the ones who are more christian than others". Denigration/disapproval of any who choose to leave. It will not attack in ways that are immediately obvious. I have seen this, in a previous fellowship that prided itself in being "non-denominational". I suddenly became aware, that over time, it had developed many cult-like attributes. Although still "Christian", I believe that it is under attack by the spirit of Antichrist.
So, we need to be very careful about how we judge, and be careful lest we are entangled.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 5:50:49 AM
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And yes, I do agree that RC'ism is founded on a lie, and that given the doctrines, beliefs, and practices of that organisation, it is a tool of antichrist. So yes, in attempting to unify all religions, it may be part of satan's plans.
I can not reconcile the position and authority of the pope biblically, therefore I believe that anyone holding this position is a false prophet, an antichrist.
I really have difficulty however, assimilating the fact that many adherants seem to follow the gospel of Christ. I waver between thinking that this really is a false appearance, that they are victims of a dangerous deception, and thinking that many people in that "denomination' are really Christians. This is an issue that I have not saisfactorally resolved, in my own mind.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 1:13:04 PM
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sdaw
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Boogeyman stories one child tells another while the real Boogeyman rampages at will.
On the Feast of St. Dominic Trach
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints!
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 1:26:42 PM
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teleosis
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ORIGINAL: sdaw
Boogeyman stories one child tells another while the real Boogeyman rampages at will.
Well the problem for what you would present is that there are two "boogeymen" present.
One is the Beast; the other the Harlot.
One is satanic and the other ungodly worship. (The wicked woman in the basket from Zechariah; the mother-son worship of ancient Babylon in its many guises down through the ages, across continents and cultures.)
One hates the other which for history has ridden upon it.
Both are worthy of being avoided, and their respective natures should be understood just as I knew more about Soviet military aircraft and air defenses than I knew about civil aviation before I left the USAF.
Mark T.
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 2:11:34 PM
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meep meep
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And yes, I do agree that RC'ism is founded on a lie, and that given the doctrines, beliefs, and practices of that organisation, it is a tool of antichrist. So yes, in attempting to unify all religions, it may be part of satan's plans.
I can not reconcile the position and authority of the pope biblically, therefore I believe that anyone holding this position is a false prophet, an antichrist.
I really have difficulty however, assimilating the fact that many adherants seem to follow the gospel of Christ. I waver between thinking that this really is a false appearance, that they are victims of a dangerous deception, and thinking that many people in that "denomination' are really Christians. This is an issue that I have not saisfactorally resolved, in my own mind.
Please explain in detail, suppport scipturally and historically, what lie founded the RCC.
Please explain in detail, where (other than your conspiracy based websites) you get verifiable facts which show the RCC is trying to unite all religions.
We already know your opinions, now back them up with accepted and verified facts.
I choose to worship as a Roman Catholic, after training and study from outside and within the RCC I find a solid foundation in the papcy and what it represents (not what you or others want to attach to it). That does not mean I worship the Pope, that I worship Mary, or any of the other attributes you make up and assign to Catholics only to then condemn them for it.
By your assessment, however, I am a false prophet and an Anti-Christ.
Since I follow the Gospel of Christ, have received the Holy Spirit and rely upon his leading for discernment, then according to you, this must be a deception and a lie. I suppose his promises in the Word are a lie and a deception as well.
Oh...one more thing for you and others on this thread:
From the TOS:
“Posts claiming that the Pope is the anti-christ and that the catholic church is the whore of Babylon, while accepted teachings by many protestant churches, will be considered disruptive to the conversations and the atmosphere of learning we wish to provide. Please abstain from these claims.”
Blessings in Christ to you,
Meep meep
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"We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church which is Catholic, and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies." - Augustine, The True Faith
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 4:33:02 PM
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sdaw
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quote:
ORIGINAL: teleosis
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ORIGINAL: sdaw
Boogeyman stories one child tells another while the real Boogeyman rampages at will.
Well the problem for what you would present is that there are two "boogeymen" present.
One is the Beast; the other the Harlot.
One is satanic and the other ungodly worship. (The wicked woman in the basket from Zechariah; the mother-son worship of ancient Babylon in its many guises down through the ages, across continents and cultures.)
One hates the other which for history has ridden upon it.
Both are worthy of being avoided, and their respective natures should be understood just as I knew more about Soviet military aircraft and air defenses than I knew about civil aviation before I left the USAF.
Mark T.
Dear teleosis,
Let's see. . .
Denying the Divinity of Christ, the inspiration of Scripture, calling homosexuality good, three boogeymen that do not haunt the CC.
I think many say "bad Kitty" even while they are being devoured by the lion.
On the Feast of St. Dominic Trach
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints!
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RE: Catholic Church in Prophecy? - 9/18/2005 4:41:35 PM
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