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It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized.

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It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved.

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

SC, I think you misunderstood what he was saying.

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It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved.

He is saying that you can do all this and still not be saved.

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ORIGINAL: ushalk

When we read through the new testament we see that those that truly saw Jesus for who he was, were sinners. It was not the selfrighteous or the religous. It is the same in todays world, many think that they know him because of what they do or what they chose or the church that they go to. Very few actually fall on their faces and knees and call upon him as their Lord and Savior. Even fewer admit they are sinners and reppent of their sins. The sad thing here is that many will die in their sins and end up eternally dead from the Father.

It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved. While these are signs of a tender and caring heart they are not necessarily signs of faith or salvation. If they are done apart from Christ we are no more saved than we were when we started to do them.

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When we read through the new testament we see that those that truly saw Jesus for who he was, were sinners. It was not the selfrighteous or the religous. It is the same in todays world, many think that they know him because of what they do or what they chose or the church that they go to. Very few actually fall on their faces and knees and call upon him as their Lord and Savior. Even fewer admit they are sinners and reppent of their sins. The sad thing here is that many will die in their sins and end up eternally dead from the Father.

It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved. While these are signs of a tender and caring heart they are not necessarily signs of faith or salvation. If they are done apart from Christ we are no more saved than we were when we started to do them.

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

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ORIGINAL: ushalk

When we read through the new testament we see that those that truly saw Jesus for who he was, were sinners. It was not the selfrighteous or the religous. It is the same in todays world, many think that they know him because of what they do or what they chose or the church that they go to. Very few actually fall on their faces and knees and call upon him as their Lord and Savior. Even fewer admit they are sinners and reppent of their sins. The sad thing here is that many will die in their sins and end up eternally dead from the Father.

It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved. While these are signs of a tender and caring heart they are not necessarily signs of faith or salvation. If they are done apart from Christ we are no more saved than we were when we started to do them.

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When we read through the new testament we see that those that truly saw Jesus for who he was, were sinners. It was not the selfrighteous or the religous. It is the same in todays world, many think that they know him because of what they do or what they chose or the church that they go to. Very few actually fall on their faces and knees and call upon him as their Lord and Savior. Even fewer admit they are sinners and reppent of their sins. The sad thing here is that many will die in their sins and end up eternally dead from the Father.

It does not matter if we have become a member of a church or were baptized. We can feed the hungary and we can clothe the naked, it does not mean that we are saved. While these are signs of a tender and caring heart they are not necessarily signs of faith or salvation. If they are done apart from Christ we are no more saved than we were when we started to do them.

A friend of mine and I have been discussing this very thing. It all goes back to the "gospel offends" and people just don't want to offend anyone by telling them that they are sinners.

I really don't think people enjoy hearing that because they think that the good deeds they do, make them "good" people.

I suppose if we Christians would get back to basics and really preach and teach the gospel, the false converts will lessen.

So often we want to tell others the "benefits" of converting that we forget to tell them the consequences of not believeing. We shy away from talking about the eternal damnation of souls.

It's like we focus on all the good things and that's what people seek and want. They don't have the full picture and easily get disillusioned and form bitter hearts because the "promises" didn't come about.

When the gospel is presented to us, and we truly realize that we are sinners and have violated God's Law, we will understand the great sacrifice He made so that we could spend eternity with Him.

We want to present a gospel that is pleasing to the ears and not be condemned for teaching hell-fire and brimstone. Yet telling the very real consequence of hell is exactly what people need to know. It's the HS that confirms that the Word of God has been written on our hearts. it's the HS that recognizes the Truth and the consequence.

Recognizing that if we have lied, it makes us a liar. If we have stolen, it makes us a thief. If we have broken one commandment, we are guilty of breaking them all. Jesus came to bear those sins of ours on His body, so that we DON'T have to. That is the GOODNEWS!