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Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign?
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Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:19:14 PM
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His_4_Ever
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I personally feel McCain/Palin are. I feel like there is a double-standard going on. It's seems to me the people who are for McCain/Palin are willing to turn a blind-eye to any real questionable issue brought up about them.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:25:30 PM
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Historically, the person most behind in the polls is usually the one that runs the more negative campaign ads. That's the person who has the most to gain and the least to lose.
Unfortunately, if they didn't work so well people wouldn't use them.
If you want them to quit working - do the fact checking and then complain to your local campaign office. That's what I've been doing. Neither candidate has been shy of distorting the facts to make a campaign point. I'd hesitate to point to either one being worse than the other.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:29:16 PM
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It's a tired ploy and utterly predictable, that whoever is behind goes negative, and rest assured if the polls slip Obama wil be cranking out negative ads faster than you can say "Change!"
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:30:56 PM
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It's been made clear that McCain/Palin are running a dirty campaign as compared to Obama. All of McCain's ads are negative and based on fallacies and full of character assassinations. He and his running mate's speeches are filled with fear tactics that play off some in their base problem with race, it's low, tacky and very dirty... definately not putting all of this country first. Obama has run some negative ads himself, most in defense of the attack ads about him, he hasn't inticed the kind of ugliness that's shown at McCain/Palin's rallies. Here's hoping that the next election isn't so dirty and nasty.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:35:43 PM
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Well speaking the truth (McCain/Palin) no matter how unpopular it may be is not dirty.
The contnual lies (and the defense of those lies) from Obama/Biden reach an all time low.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:41:22 PM
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Whomever the New York Times tells me is.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:47:08 PM
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Well speaking the truth (McCain/Palin) no matter how unpopular it may be is not dirty.
The contnual lies (and the defense of those lies) from Obama/Biden reach an all time low.
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Speaking the truth, really... so while our country's economny is continuing to spiral downwards, instead of addressing it and providing a solution that will benefit all citizens, don't address it and make up lies and slander someone... yep, sounds like true honesty to me... 
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/9/2008 5:56:19 PM
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Has anyone actually seen what the "Total Lie Factor" would be for each campaign? It's gotta be close. Just watching the debates and comparing against what I know that I know (vs just belief or opinion), I was calling it roughly even.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 4:29:30 AM
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It's a tired ploy and utterly predictable, that whoever is behind goes negative, and rest assured if the polls slip Obama wil be cranking out negative ads faster than you can say "Change!"
Negativity isn't the problem with the McCain-Palin campaign; it's the dishonesty and vicious misrepresentation of Obama that is offensive. It's possible for a candidate to engage in negative attacks that are critical of an opponent's policy positions, record, and experience without resorting to lying. McCain's people obviously believe that McCain can't win if he and his pitbulls with lipstick tell the truth about himself and Obama.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 4:52:31 AM
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Obama...supposedly..has charisma. He defines the liberal mantra of style over substance. When you have no factual foundation, no real plan and cannot exhibit true leadership the only thing you can do to win is lie.
Obama, hands down because he has nothing to tell the truth about...himself.
That doesn't excuse McCain either. While I don;t know about his campaign being lie filled, it certainly has been negative.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 12:32:40 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 12:47:50 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then. But hey, what do I and majority of Americans know... were the ones that are brainwashed by the MSM right and can't think for ourselves, right??... Oops, my bad that would be the other way around. 
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 1:05:50 PM
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Did I say you were brainwashed? Did I say you were duped? I'll leave you to do those old insults. How I could have been brainwashed since I don't watch fox news, read world net daily, I go to a secular Univeristy where everyone around me is sporting Obama gear, and the proffessors are doing a poor job of hiding their canidate is amazing.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 1:36:02 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he has been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
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But hey, what do I and majority of Americans know
I can't speak for majority of Americans but I can certainly see you don't know what you are talking about.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php
77% of the Obama campaigns' ads were deemed "negative," compared to 56% for McCain.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 1:40:26 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
Nope, actually knowing the turth feels actually quite great to me!... You know, I know that accepting the truth about McCain/Palin's dirty tactics is a bit much for you to accept, maybt it hurts a bit much when you come to that realization, so it's cool.
God bless.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 1:50:51 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
Nope, actually knowing the turth feels actually quite great to me!... You know, I know that accepting the truth about McCain/Palin's dirty tactics is a bit much for you to accept, maybt it hurts a bit much when you come to that realization, so it's cool.
God bless.
I just posted a link proving you wrong.
If you want to deny reality that's your prerogative of course. I assume that's par for the course for a liberal anyay.
How does it "feel great" knowing Obama spoke of our troups air raiding innocent civilians and working alongside terrorists?
How bout you hire a female baby sitter and someone tells you she has a boyfriend that comes over when the parents are out and the guy is a convicted fellon who uses drugs and your neigbors tell you all this. Do you chastise them as well for spreading dirity slanderous lies if it's true?
I think you would have to be intellectually dishonest to say yes here.
What if the sitter tells the kids bad things about their parents thus undermining their ability to be effective parents and it's true.
I hope you can see the similarties between the real issues and my analogies.
Here is more reality for you to turn away from:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/09/19/obamas-campaign-is-more-negative-than-mccains.html
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 2:35:37 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
Nope, actually knowing the turth feels actually quite great to me!... You know, I know that accepting the truth about McCain/Palin's dirty tactics is a bit much for you to accept, maybt it hurts a bit much when you come to that realization, so it's cool.
God bless.
I just posted a link proving you wrong.
If you want to deny reality that's your prerogative of course. I assume that's par for the course for a liberal anyay.
How does it "feel great" knowing Obama spoke of our troups air raiding innocent civilians and working alongside terrorists?
How bout you hire a female baby sitter and someone tells you she has a boyfriend that comes over when the parents are out and the guy is a convicted fellon who uses drugs and your neigbors tell you all this. Do you chastise them as well for spreading dirity slanderous lies if it's true?
I think you would have to be intellectually dishonest to say yes here.
What if the sitter tells the kids bad things about their parents thus undermining their ability to be effective parents and it's true.
I hope you can see the similarties between the real issues and my analogies.
Here is more reality for you to turn away from:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/09/19/obamas-campaign-is-more-negative-than-mccains.html
You can't be serious. Dude, that's an opinion piece. lol How about a poll of the undecided? That would be more credible.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 2:38:18 PM
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You can't be serious. Dude, that's an opinion piece. lol How about a poll of the undecided? That would be more credible.
Yep, I think he/she is, what did you expect... look at Fox News, they throw out opinions and nearly make up stuff and call it new and truth...
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 2:44:23 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
Nope, actually knowing the turth feels actually quite great to me!... You know, I know that accepting the truth about McCain/Palin's dirty tactics is a bit much for you to accept, maybt it hurts a bit much when you come to that realization, so it's cool.
God bless.
I just posted a link proving you wrong.
If you want to deny reality that's your prerogative of course. I assume that's par for the course for a liberal anyay.
How does it "feel great" knowing Obama spoke of our troups air raiding innocent civilians and working alongside terrorists?
How bout you hire a female baby sitter and someone tells you she has a boyfriend that comes over when the parents are out and the guy is a convicted fellon who uses drugs and your neigbors tell you all this. Do you chastise them as well for spreading dirity slanderous lies if it's true?
I think you would have to be intellectually dishonest to say yes here.
What if the sitter tells the kids bad things about their parents thus undermining their ability to be effective parents and it's true.
I hope you can see the similarties between the real issues and my analogies.
Here is more reality for you to turn away from:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/09/19/obamas-campaign-is-more-negative-than-mccains.html
You can't be serious. Dude, that's an opinion piece. lol How about a poll of the undecided? That would be more credible.
DUuuuuuuuuuuude, you didn't read the link in that article that posted before it.
"TNSMI/CMAG's state-by-state tabulation:"
It's data from a media intelligence agency. k?
ok so now I know it's not a cognitive issue with you guys its's a reading comprehension one.
That's ok! I can help you there, I've taught that before.
Burn!!!! lol
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 2:57:26 PM
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Obama no doubt about it, espcially considering he has the media in tank with him to tear down and misrepresent McCain/Palin, while building up and misrepresenting him in there 'reporting.'
Really... misrepresnting McCain/Palin... wow ok. Honestly, I and mean honestly put your political affiliation aside and tell me that you can honestly say that. I'm not demeaning you in any way and your thought is your thought, but to say Obama has been running the dirtiest campaign when he hasn't been causing a mob like mentality at his rallies that spew hateful and mean things, hasn't brought up fallacies and trumped up relationships to people that's clearing slandering his character, alrighty then.
Truth hurts don't it?
Nope, actually knowing the turth feels actually quite great to me!... You know, I know that accepting the truth about McCain/Palin's dirty tactics is a bit much for you to accept, maybt it hurts a bit much when you come to that realization, so it's cool.
God bless.
I just posted a link proving you wrong.
If you want to deny reality that's your prerogative of course. I assume that's par for the course for a liberal anyay.
How does it "feel great" knowing Obama spoke of our troups air raiding innocent civilians and working alongside terrorists?
How bout you hire a female baby sitter and someone tells you she has a boyfriend that comes over when the parents are out and the guy is a convicted fellon who uses drugs and your neigbors tell you all this. Do you chastise them as well for spreading dirity slanderous lies if it's true?
I think you would have to be intellectually dishonest to say yes here.
What if the sitter tells the kids bad things about their parents thus undermining their ability to be effective parents and it's true.
I hope you can see the similarties between the real issues and my analogies.
Here is more reality for you to turn away from:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/09/19/obamas-campaign-is-more-negative-than-mccains.html
You can't be serious. Dude, that's an opinion piece. lol How about a poll of the undecided? That would be more credible.
DUuuuuuuuuuuude, you didn't read the link in that article that posted before it.
"TNSMI/CMAG's state-by-state tabulation:"
It's data from a media intelligence agency. k?
ok so now I know it's not a cognitive issue with you guys its's a reading comprehension one.
That's ok! I can help you there, I've taught that before.
Burn!!!! lol
I can comprehend quite well thank you very much. The link YOU provided is an opinion blog. I don't have time to hunt down links that you saw on YOUR PC at the time you read the article. Why not post the direct link to the stats? Thank you very much. Don't sit there and talk condescending to someone. I wasn't looking over your shoulder copying every link you decided to clink on.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 3:06:20 PM
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DUuuuuuuuuuuude, you didn't read the link in that article that posted before it.
"TNSMI/CMAG's state-by-state tabulation:"
It's data from a media intelligence agency. k?
ok so now I know it's not a cognitive issue with you guys its's a reading comprehension one.
That's ok! I can help you there, I've taught that before.
Burn!!!! lol
By the way, if you want to talk about comprehension, the link of the post with the statistics you provided is a month old dated September 17th. That data isn't even relevant now. Be careful accusing someone of having a lack of comprehension. I'll be nice and post the direct link for those who don't have time to traverse the entire blogoshpere:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 10:23:43 PM
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DUuuuuuuuuuuude, you didn't read the link in that article that posted before it.
"TNSMI/CMAG's state-by-state tabulation:"
It's data from a media intelligence agency. k?
ok so now I know it's not a cognitive issue with you guys its's a reading comprehension one.
That's ok! I can help you there, I've taught that before.
Burn!!!! lol
By the way, if you want to talk about comprehension, the link of the post with the statistics you provided is a month old dated September 17th. That data isn't even relevant now. Be careful accusing someone of having a lack of comprehension. I'll be nice and post the direct link for those who don't have time to traverse the entire blogoshpere:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php
Thanks for the repost.
But I think it's funny how you think in a mere 23 days this has changed much considering Obama is outspending McCain 3 to 1 and with this juge difference of 21% more negative ads you think McCain has some how drawn even or even over taken the negative add tally that Obama has racked up.
Don't make me question your statistics skills.
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RE: Who do you think is running the Dirtiest Campaign? - 10/10/2008 10:34:51 PM
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DUuuuuuuuuuuude, you didn't read the link in that article that posted before it.
"TNSMI/CMAG's state-by-state tabulation:"
It's data from a media intelligence agency. k?
ok so now I know it's not a cognitive issue with you guys its's a reading comprehension one.
That's ok! I can help you there, I've taught that before.
Burn!!!! lol
By the way, if you want to talk about comprehension, the link of the post with the statistics you provided is a month old dated September 17th. That data isn't even relevant now. Be careful accusing someone of having a lack of comprehension. I'll be nice and post the direct link for those who don't have time to traverse the entire blogoshpere:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php
Thanks for the repost.
But I think it's funny how you think in a mere 23 days this has changed much considering Obama is outspending McCain 3 to 1 and with this juge difference of 21% more negative ads you think McCain has some how drawn even or even over taken the negative add tally that Obama has racked up.
Don't make me question your statistics skills.
Look what happened to the stock market in just one week. Can I question your statistical skills? Oh, and by they way, according to the polls, McCain wasn't down by 11 points 23 days ago. In addition, McCain stated that their campaigning would turn 100% negative a week just a week ago. Also, this topic is not about how much money a candidate is spending on their campaign ads. It's about which campaign is dirtier. Now, had this topic been started back on September 17th, you might have a point. So, stop being condescending. Thanks.
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