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What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 6:48:47 PM
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Jeff_Br
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Recently I've been haven this urges ... to kiss with other men. I never had these in my entire life, and I've never any bad stuff to insult God. I can't talk about it with my parents, because they are dedicated believers of God.
Is this a test from God? What do I do? I'm so confused ... Please help me!
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 6:55:00 PM
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Its satan attacking you where you are weak. Don't listen.
Talking to your parents may not be a bad idea....or your pastor. Do you have a christian mentor?
I don't think any of us are professional councilors and our advice is just that..a.dvice. This is an important issue one you should take seriously.
Possibly counciling is in order and it sounds like you are a young person. Talk to an adult.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 6:58:06 PM
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Jeff_Br
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Well, I've talked about it once with the school counselor. But he's an Atheïst he doesn't understand ... He thinks it's alright to be homosexual and all that. I told him that homosexuality was a sign from Satan and then he just sat there and laughed at me ... And then he mocked me for my believes and told me evolution is the only theorie I should believe ...
After that I ... Really couldn't feel I could talk to someone else.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 7:22:41 PM
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Well, you can talk to believers. Don't let one ungodly man's mockery discourage you.
I know there is a Christian ministry called Exodus International Ministries that might be able to help you.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 7:30:47 PM
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And to the first question, God tempts no one with evil. Find the proof in the book of James, first chapter I think.
But we are all tempted. Being tempted does not make you evil. Jesus was tempted, in all points as we are, but Jesus is holiness personified!
Meditating on the temptation, fixating on it, either through guilt or curiosity, can cause you to sin. Best to handle all temptation as Christ did. He answered the temptation with the Word of God. He was so focused on His Father and the love they shared, that he overcame every temptation.
We are to fix our hearts and our thoughts on God's great love for us. As we meditate on His Word day and night, we will become steady and fruitful. (Psalm 1)
Don't give the temptation another thought. Think instead on things that are pure and bring you joy. May you share in Jesus' victory. 
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 7:34:53 PM
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Jeff_Br
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Yes I know I shouldn't let it discourage me, but there are a lot of non-believers around here ... I've tried to convert them, but they just laugh with the teachings of God ... I told them about Satan, but they don't care ...
Ontopic: Yes, that seems like a good group, I'll give it go, thx for your help. I just hope I can overcome these urges ... They've become pretty strong now. But with the power of God I'll be able to resist.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 11:45:06 PM
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Jeff, I'll write more later when I have more time, but DO NOT discuss this with an unbeliever. You have a faith in God in place, and you must strengthen that faith with other Christians. School counselors are helpful with academics, school policies, etc., but you have to be careful (as a Christian) who you open up to regarding moral issues.
Blessings to you...
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/15/2008 11:49:10 PM
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Jeff, I'll write more later when I have more time, but DO NOT discuss this with an unbeliever. You have a faith in God in place, and you must strengthen that faith with other Christians. School counselors are helpful with academics, school policies, etc., but you have to be careful (as a Christian) who you open up to regarding moral issues.
Blessings to you...
Well said. You need to seek Godly counsel. A nonbeliever is no authority on temptation or God's ability to help you overcome it.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/16/2008 5:35:36 PM
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Jeff, don't panic! This does not mean you will never enjoy a heterosexual relationship with a wife, or anything like that. These types of sexual irregularities are part of our sin nature, you just have one that is a bit traumatic for a Christian guy.
I think someone already said to get a Christian male mentor, which is a GREAT idea. I'm hesitant to tell you (from a forums environment) to tell your parents, but if your Dad is a believer and you have a good relationship with him, he might be more understanding/helpful than you think.
The CENTER of curing this issue is to strengthen your relationship with God. Don't neglect your spiritual disciplines (prayer, scripture), and regular worship. Realize that this may continue to be a struggle for the long term, but put GOD at the center of your life.
Take some physical precautions that you'd not ordinarily take if you didn't have this tendency. By this I mean to avoid situations that might take this desire from a temptation to a reality (undressing with guys, locker room, etc., depends on how you are).
May God bless you in this situation.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 1/17/2008 9:56:48 PM
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I can relate Jeff_Br...
There are always thoughts that pop in my head...
I have a fire plan that I follow... I surrender the lust thought to God telling
him that I can't handle these thoughts and powerless without him, and ask him to take them. (surrender the thoughts and desire). Make phone calls to
others in program and work the steps. I can't stop the wrong thoughts coming, but, I can take action against them so i don't give into them. I only
wish recovery was available years ago from this. God has changed my life, and is changing my heart everyday as I turn it over to him.
To discover that I have a problem and that there is a cure was such a relief for me. I agree with the last person posting, to not put myself in a place where I would loose control. I can't exercise in a health facility today, go into public bathrooms, or locker rooms without taking God with me.
I start out my day saying certain prayers and make sure I am working my
program everyday.
God bless, there is an answer
James
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 2/5/2008 7:07:24 PM
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If I would have talked to my folks alot earlier, when I just started having these "unnatural" desires, I would have avoided alot of internal shame.
Let me first say to you, beneath your feelings of homosexuality, lies other still scarier feelings of heterosexuality! It really is true. You probably grew up not being able to relate to men right, as you so desperatly needed, and the same with women, in a dating type manner.
You've done something I on my own couldn't do, and that's admit to this struggle.
If your stuggle is truely homosexual, than I understand what your saying. While it's satan, there are many root causes to such a struggle. Yours while similar, is very personal to you. Probably alot of anguish over failed friendships to other men. But there's more than just that though.
As other suggested, I would contact a local exodus ministry, set down with your parents and confess to them your struggle. But before all else I would trust God, and take it to Him in prayer!
Also know the opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality, but rather holyness and rightiousness. Any areas of bankruptcy in the natural relationships with men, can be filled by God! I know, He's done it for me.
Also, these struggles, might never go away, but, God will give you the ability to refocus your attention! My brother, I say with heartbreak others I've known who have dealt with this, has given their whole life over to it. I worried I could do the same. BUT, IF you truely want healing, The Lord will heal. Maybe not at once, BUT HE IS the FAITHFUL ONE!!!
My brother, it is with love, deep brotherly love that I write this to you, and pray for you!!!
GOD WILL BLESS YOU!!!
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 2/5/2008 7:10:37 PM
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Also, sink into scripture and your life will never be the same again!!! Let His words be plowed onto your heart!!! That book, our Bible is the guide to the life of any and all Christians!
Out of the wrong that has happened to you, that's caused you to have this struggle, just know, that God wants to use it for GOOD! It's created a deep need for you to turn to Him! Get His affirmation!
He is and will sustain you!
Be encouraged!
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 6/19/2008 6:31:08 PM
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Jeff_Br
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Thank you for all your help, after reading all your comments it gave me hope to rid me of this evil.
I was fine for while, but now I have another problem ... So sorry for bringing up this topic. Since your help helped me last time, I would appreciate if you could help me out again.
So there is this gay boy I've met and I've tried converting him, I tried to make him believe in God. But now he has converted me and he keeps flirting with me. I've hadn't had this fleshly desires in quite some time, but now they're coming back. And they're getting stronger ...
I've told him to stop, that this is the work of the devil that came over him. He just laughs and asks if I want to have sex with him. I keep praying to God for it to stop. What am I doing wrong? Could you please help me, I'd be so gratefull.
Once again, sorry for burdening you with this. Maybe I'm just not strong enough ...
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 6/19/2008 7:46:53 PM
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"Resist the devil and he will flee" - Can you avoid this other guy? I suggest you do so. You will not convert him now. Surround yourself with believers. Also, there is another topic in this area titled coming out of homosexuality which can help.
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 6/21/2008 12:22:07 AM
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Hi Jeff,
Let me tell you what I done to deserve this and see if you can relate to any of it. When I was a young teenager the devil tempted me to drink. I said no. My friends all said yes. When he tempted me to have sex with a girl, I said NO. That isn't right outside of marriage. My friends all said yes. I said, I can't do that. If she gets pregnant it will ruin her life and bring a child into the world to two teenagers who aren't married. My friends didn't care. hey it feels good right? When I was tempted to do drugs, I said NO. Only a fool would take that chance. My friends said yes. What did I do? I started telling them that wasn't pleasing to God and how they needed to be saved. As they carried porn magazines or whatever to school, I carried my Bible. I was defiant against satan and I didn't care if he knew it. I prayed to God, others didn't. One by one people started staying away from me because the devil told them if they got close, I'd convert them. I got lonely. I felt hurt. Nobody wanted to be around me and I didn't do anything bad to any of them. I didn't understand. I wanted someone to love me, to be my friend, to want to spend time around me and take the time to get to know my heart because I knew my heart was good, kind and full of love if anyone wanted to be loved by a friend.
One day someone, another boy, decided he wanted that love and he somehow knew just how to make me feel so happy to have a friend. He wanted other things too. I never expected that to happen so I wasn't prepared to deal with it. It just felt so good to have someone to talk to, someone who wanted to listen to me talk. Get the idea? Next thing I knew, in my hunger for friendship and my absolute relief from the lonliness I had felt from being different, it's as if the devil thought, "hmmm, so you want to be different huh? So you don't want to be like everyone else? I can accomadate that for you. Take this! Curiosity, lonliness and a host of other feelings began to take shape and next thing I knew, I was different than everyone else. I done THAT, with a GUY. Guilt, shame, self hatred, all those terrible feelings began taking me over and at 17 years of age, after fighting these desires so long, I decided there was only one way out. Simple actually, I'd just kill myself. Everything was lost anyway. Fortunetly God showed me in time that you can escape this life, but once you land in hell and all it's problems, there is no more escaping and the problems of this life, no matter how harsh are NOTHING compared to an inescapable hell.
What did I do wrong? I said no when all my friends gave in to what the devil wanted. He didn't have to tempt them with homosexuality. He knocked them off their feet with the simplest of sins. I was defiant. I stood for God. It took stronger weapons to bring me down. And that's why this is happening to you and not to all your friends. That's why they never had to fight these desires. My friend, count yourself loved in the eyes of God, because HE KNOWS why you are fighting this. Because you stood for HIM when no one else would. It is because of God and His ways, and your obedience to those ways that the devil hated you so much that he would unleash this on you. Stand strong. Always keep praying. Never stop trying to resist no matter if you fall. Get back up and KEEP getting back up. God is with you. You chose to stand for God and God will stand for you as you fight this battle. Someway, somehow something good will come from it. God will use it to shape your life for a ministry later that will take others OUT OF HOMOSEXUALITY and out of the grips of satan, or he will use it for another purpose, but do not think that God is not aware of your struggle and WHY you are in it. It's not easy. The devil knew he couldn't get to you with something easy.
You might be tempted and you might even fall, but you will NOT be defeated as long as you refuse to surrender. You might lose a battle now and then, but you are strong. God has a purpose for you and the devil can't stand that. Everytime you're tempted just stop and say to yourself. I must scare satan to death. he must be trembling at the sight of me because if he wasn't, he wouldn't be fighting me so hard, but I fight for God, and God CANNOT be defeated. Sometimes it's easier to be lonely and alone than to have the wrong kind of company. If you seperate yourself from the wrong kind of friends, they won't be lost because of you. God will send someone else to reach them. You have to watch YOUR life first. You do not posess everything necessary to reach every soul for Christ. The devil makes homosexuality look so appealing. Some of it is........ but to be honest, it's not what it appears to be. It's a miserable life full of lonliness and self hatred, guilt and fear....with a little pleasure thrown in of course just to make it look good. Just think of what you DON'T want to do. Don't focus on the things you think you'd like to try. Think about the things you DON'T want to do and realize it all comes in one package my friend. With the appealing things, you also get that other stuff whether you want it or not.
Get all the help you can while you're young. The longer you wait before you form a resistance, the harder it is to battle this. Face it head on and say NO from the very start. Every experience etches memories in your mind. Memories that will come back to seduce you in the lonely hours. I've been battling many years and it's ruined my life. I never got to experience marriage, having children and fulfilling a lot of the dreams I had as a young man because I gave in to temptation and the more I did, the further away from reality I got and the further my dreams slipped away, right along with some of my relationship with Christ. I didn't resist enough and I lost many battles. Even so, I still fight and I'm not giving up!!! I will die victorious, or I will die believing there is still hope through Christ. I KNOW MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN SAME-SEX ATTRACTION and I don't care who thinks otherwise. If you weren't strong, you would have fallen long before this temptation found you. Remember that, and gain strength knowing you have already surpassed many other temptations.
But don't be blind.... your strength is not enough in itself. If you've never actually experienced anything yet with another man, just keep saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO and stand your ground. Pray and trust God. Sooner or later (probably later) satan will realize this isn't going to happen and he'll move on to something else to throw in your path. W A T C H and pray Never lay down the armour of salvation. If you do, always remember where to find it and never think all is lost if for some reason you do fall to this. Are you a stubborn person Jeff? I am stubborn, sometimes not enough so. Be persistently stubborn when the devil tells you that you will fall. Determine in your heart it's N O T going to happen, and stand your ground!
God bless you my friend. You are in my prayers! Hold on to God and always remember that you are (as Roger Bennett would say) IN HIS GRIP! Jesus loves you very very much and if you hold on to Him with all you have, He will not let go of you.
"SIN IS FUN FOR A SEASON...................BUT SEASONS CHANGE"
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RE: What have I done to deserve this - 6/21/2008 1:30:37 AM
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So there is this gay boy I've met and I've tried converting him, I tried to make him believe in God. But now he has converted me and he keeps flirting with me. I've hadn't had this fleshly desires in quite some time, but now they're coming back. And they're getting stronger...
My recommendation would be to end all associations with him immediately.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
You said you're trying to convert him, and yet, he's the one converting you. This is a clear sign that he has no interest in what you're preaching, and instead, he's trying to drag you off the path of righteousness that God has placed before you. As the scripture says, what fellowship does light have with darkness?
You're trying to shine the light of Christ in his life but he's too blinded by the darkness that covers his own perception to realize it. It is better for you to end your relationship with him and begin praying for him. You've planted the seed, let God grow it.
If he's enticing these sexually immoral desires, you should stay clear from him and keep your mind as pure as possible. But continue to pray for him.
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