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Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 12:07:30 PM
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humbleinspirit
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SEATTLE - Ah, life in the university district. Cheap ethnic food. Vibrant street life. Fresh-faced students whizzing by on bicycles.
People who choose to live on the beautiful tree-lined streets surrounding the nation's institutions of higher learning often get a more vibrant experience than they expected — loud parties, rundown student boarding houses and trash generated by weekend melees.
A growing number of universities are starting to take a more proactive approach to monitoring off-campus behavior and neighbors say the efforts are working.
The University of Washington now enforces its campus behavior code off campus as well. A student doesn't need to be charged with a violent crime to activate the campus code at this Seattle university. Being cited for breaking the city's noise regulations is enough to score an invite to the student conduct office.
Architecture professor Earl Bell, who bought a house in the University Park neighborhood 40 years ago, says he has discovered that there's a fine line between convenient and too close.
"We've all got a kind of love-hate relationship with the University of Washington," said Bell, acknowledging that he and his neighbors have noticed a slight improvement lately.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 1:15:35 PM
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colliefan
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This could be fodder for several threads. The well-know Duke lacrosse scandal was fueled by an alcohol ladden partry. A few months ago an NC State student celebrated his 21st birthday by getting plastered, driving home, and while still plastered in the morning, drove into a woman riding a bike on campus killing her.
Some questions: in the college culture, beer has moved from being a beverage one enjoys with a meal to something used to get drunk. Why is this?
A number of schools have "honor codes" would the enforcement of them change behavior? The moving the drinking age back to 18 change the view of booze as "forbiden fruit"?
Do Coor's comercials that portray beer as a necessary ingediant for a party add to the problem? Contrast the Heiniken adds which seem to treat beer as something one enjoys with a meal?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 1:49:04 PM
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Let the Universities decide what behaviour they will tolerate from the students that represent the University. Publish it, and if the students do not obey then give them the big boot.
If works for Police department, my Church, and many other organizations; why not Universities?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 1:58:36 PM
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humbleinspirit
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All I know is that I am glad that they will be doing this. Partying by college students is a real problem in the Boston area, and it is a real nusiance for people who work regular jobs and have to work 9 to 5 everyday.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 2:04:24 PM
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Some questions: in the college culture, beer has moved from being a beverage one enjoys with a meal to something used to get drunk. Why is this?
I think this has always been the case. Animal House, which came out 30 years ago, certainly depicts the same behavior.
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A number of schools have "honor codes" would the enforcement of them change behavior? The moving the drinking age back to 18 change the view of booze as "forbiden fruit"?
You have to remember that only private schools can enforce honor codes well. At UIUC, for example, we have a rather strict code of conduct (you can be expelled for cheating on a test or on homework if it's egregious enough), but an honor code would be impracticable. The reason being is that at a public college, students have the constitutional right to due process. If they don't think they received due process from the disciplinary committee, they can appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court.
In the case of drinking off-campus, one would need to be arrested, tried, and convicted to be expelled. The bar is a little lower for cheating, but the student can still basically require that it be shown beyond all reasonable doubt that he cheated on an exam.
I have noticed on campus that when students hit 21, they cut back on the drinking a bit! The annoying part was that when I turned 21 and started going to bars occasionally, many of my classmates cut back! (I didn't know I was that unpopular!)
I think that we should allow one state to do an experiment. Let's try Wisconsin (IIRC, the last state to increase its drinking age to 21 back in the early '80s) and let them try moving the drinking age back to 18, 19, or 20 for a few years. If the move cuts binge drinking without increasing highway deaths due to drunk driving, we can consider moving the drinking age back in other states, as well.
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Do Coor's comercials that portray beer as a necessary ingediant for a party add to the problem? Contrast the Heiniken adds which seem to treat beer as something one enjoys with a meal?
I've noticed that cutting back on cigarette advertising resulted in a cutback in teen smoking; what if we did the same for advertising beer? Kids only see beer ads on the more grown-up shows, and they may associate drinking with being grown up. What if we simply eliminated beer from television ads?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 3:15:13 PM
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SEATTLE - Ah, life in the university district. Cheap ethnic food. Vibrant street life. Fresh-faced students whizzing by on bicycles.
People who choose to live on the beautiful tree-lined streets surrounding the nation's institutions of higher learning often get a more vibrant experience than they expected — loud parties, rundown student boarding houses and trash generated by weekend melees.
A growing number of universities are starting to take a more proactive approach to monitoring off-campus behavior and neighbors say the efforts are working.
The University of Washington now enforces its campus behavior code off campus as well. A student doesn't need to be charged with a violent crime to activate the campus code at this Seattle university. Being cited for breaking the city's noise regulations is enough to score an invite to the student conduct office.
Architecture professor Earl Bell, who bought a house in the University Park neighborhood 40 years ago, says he has discovered that there's a fine line between convenient and too close.
"We've all got a kind of love-hate relationship with the University of Washington," said Bell, acknowledging that he and his neighbors have noticed a slight improvement lately.
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I won't name names, but some very conservative Christian universities already do this. Or is it because it's moving beyond just some uber-conservative Christian institutions now?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 3:49:08 PM
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I've noticed that cutting back on cigarette advertising resulted in a cutback in teen smoking; what if we did the same for advertising beer? Kids only see beer ads on the more grown-up shows, and they may associate drinking with being grown up. What if we simply eliminated beer from television ads?
It's all about the $$$$. One thing that bugs me is that brewers (and now, distilers) are a major source of advertising for NCAA events. And a number of those watching, and playing in the game, can't legally consume the product. The "please drink responsibly" pleas are just one way of keeping trial lawyers off of their butts.
The issue has filtered down to the high school level. Last year on high school lost six students to alcohol related crashes. Four students died in one wreck as the student was driving his daddy's sports car.
We are losing too many of our youth to alcohol poisoning, alcohol related crashes, fires, and so on. Prohibition has been tried and it failed miserably. But having severe consequences for alcohol related misbehavior could be a start in the right direction.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/23/2008 11:22:20 PM
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I actually know one of those students. It's a huge disappointment to those of us who know and love him that he went off to college and immediately started binge-drinking and partying, since he's an otherwise sensible, responsible young man. Also, he's still two years younger than the legal drinking age.
Anyway, around here many kids choose U-dub (over Wazzu or Eastern) because it's a party school. I think the problem will only get worse until they can change the image of the school to attract people who want a serious education.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/24/2008 7:52:05 AM
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I've noticed that cutting back on cigarette advertising resulted in a cutback in teen smoking; what if we did the same for advertising beer? Kids only see beer ads on the more grown-up shows, and they may associate drinking with being grown up. What if we simply eliminated beer from television ads?
It's all about the $$$$. One thing that bugs me is that brewers (and now, distillers) are a major source of advertising for NCAA events. And a number of those watching, and playing in the game, can't legally consume the product. The "please drink responsibly" pleas are just one way of keeping trial lawyers off of their butts.
The issue has filtered down to the high school level. Last year on high school lost six students to alcohol related crashes. Four students died in one wreck as the student was driving his daddy's sports car.
We are losing too many of our youth to alcohol poisoning, alcohol related crashes, fires, and so on. Prohibition has been tried and it failed miserably. But having severe consequences for alcohol related misbehavior could be a start in the right direction.
The schools are even having problems with local radio broadcasts of the games and alcohol advertising. On television, they will interrupt college football games to show lottery drawings, which violates NCAA policy.
Here is an official list of prohibited advertising by the NCAA:
* Nightclubs, pool halls and other establishments that include adult entertainment, gambling and the like.
* Gambling -- publications, Web sites, products services
* Casinos
* Pari-mutuel betting venues
* Off-track betting venues
* State lotteries
* Alcohol (6% alcohol limit, no more than 14% of advertising space in NCAA publications
* Alcohol (Limit one minute per hour, two hours overall.)
** Must incorporate "Drink Responsibly" educational messaging
** Must be respectful and have no displays of disorderly, reckless or destructive behavior.
* For NCAA championship game program ads:
** Soft Drinks and Isotonic Beverages
** Telecommunications
** Automobiles
The NCAA ban on program ads for beverages, telecommunications, and automobiles is related to protecting their sponsors Coca-Cola, AT&T, and Pontiac.
Somebody needs to be careful with responsibility.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/24/2008 8:23:15 PM
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colliefan
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** Must incorporate "Drink Responsibly" educational messaging
wink, wink, nudge, nudge
Interesting ban on state lottery ads. Guess can't have them on TV but it is OK to have them in the arena they share with a pro hockey club?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 8/30/2008 11:41:00 AM
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humbleinspirit
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FYI, they advertise the Lottery on TV where I live, although I haven't seen any commercials lately for it at all.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/2/2008 3:16:45 PM
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Some questions: in the college culture, beer has moved from being a beverage one enjoys with a meal to something used to get drunk. Why is this? This is nothing new....it's been this way for as long as I can remember. And since I'm old, that's a L O N G time, LOL.
Keggers at frat houses were where I partied in the 70s and I'm sure it was that way before then as well, as has been mentioned by at least one other poster. Partying and college have always been hand in glove and I doubt that will change much. It may change form, but kids are NOT gonna stop partying.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/6/2008 7:21:50 PM
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humbleinspirit
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Its just too bad for the legitimate people who want to get a hard earned education but have to put up with partying roommates as well!
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/7/2008 3:26:09 PM
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colliefan
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Its just too bad for the legitimate people who want to get a hard earned education but have to put up with partying roommates as well!
It is interesting that some Christian guys at UNC tried to create a Christian fraternity that wouldn't allow booze but were turned down on the basis it would be discriminatory
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/7/2008 3:27:13 PM
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humbleinspirit
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Well, you can't discriminate by only having Christians.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/7/2008 11:21:29 PM
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It is interesting that some Christian guys at UNC tried to create a Christian fraternity that wouldn't allow booze but were turned down on the basis it would be discriminatory Got a link for us on this?
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/15/2008 11:47:56 AM
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"In Loco Parentis" has its limits. The university cannot afford to keep tabs on students once they are off campus and outside of their classes. If the student is above the age of eighteen, then the university is under NO legal obligation to control the student's behavior or activities.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/22/2008 10:20:57 PM
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While I personally agree that college students should have to comply with the university rules, even when they are off campus, given my own personal woes (I have college-aged partying neighbors - I don't need to say any more ...)
But I think that enforcement of this would be problematic - primarily because of the cost involved. I think that the uniform handling of these cases is also difficult - police department X might contact University Y - whereas police department Z might not. What happens if a student doesn't live in the "student district" but somewhere else? Maybe in their parent's house in another county 20 minutes away from the college? Or how would this be enforced if the student spends the semester abroad and violates an ordinance there? I think it would be difficult to justify reprimanding a student who violated a noise ordinance - and who happened to live close to campus, while keeping a student who commits a more serious infraction (maybe selling drugs) - but who happens to live in an area with lax police reporting.
We have also only been talking about kids - but where does it stop? What about graduate students - perhaps someone in their 40s or 50s who might be stopped and charged with DUI after having too many drinks. Perhaps this is a first offense - and this is someone who doesn't normally "party." I could easily see cries of age discrimination - but in reverse. Or what about professors or workers there? Would they have to abide by these rules? I personally understand what it is to have a job that contains a whole host of restrictions on my personal life. I did it voluntarily - not sure if I would do it again, but I'm glad that I know and have experienced that. But, how would this work for a student - particularly one who is underage (maybe 17 or even 16 if they've skipped a grade).
I think it would be difficult to enforce for all of those reasons - and can easily see lawsuits and challenges to these rules should universities try to implement them on a wide-spread basis.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/27/2008 3:28:00 PM
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Personally I think that students should be held to the same accountabillity as the general public, and if they violate those laws then be subject to the schools code of conduct regarding those laws as well. It is simply not fair to the regular folks who have to work for a living to endure (under age) partying students because they see it as a free for all!
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/27/2008 4:28:03 PM
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colliefan
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Well, you can't discriminate by only having Christians.
It wasn't limited to Christians only; just run on Christian principles.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/27/2008 4:38:43 PM
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One thing I think people forget about these college areas, is that people always demand the school to do something with these students. In the U-district in Seattle EVERY sing times something bad happens at a party involving a student people blame the school. so the school's response is to set up a code of ethics, so they can get some control and if they have to do something their backs are covered.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 9/29/2008 10:39:24 AM
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a kid in Springfield nearly died from one of those binge parties so the university is now cracking down on off campus parties. Good for them.
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RE: Universities try to control students off campus - 10/5/2008 2:49:42 AM
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humbleinspirit
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Good, I am happy to hear it!
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