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Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/20/2009 3:42:39 PM
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Cartooning the Word — R. Crumb’s "The Book of Genesis"
Albert Mohler
Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
In all likelihood, most people would never even imagine a cartoon version of Genesis. Nevertheless, the cartoon version has arrived, and it is attracting no small amount of attention.
The Book of Genesis Illustrated is by famed cartoonist R. Crumb. Famous among cartoonists for his work as far back as the 1960s, Crumb has always combined cartoons and a social/political agenda. As David Colton of USA Today explains, Crumb is known for "subversive, turn-of-the-century linework, untamed libido, and obsessive social commentary."
Indeed, Crumb personally attributes aspects of his style to experiences with LSD in his younger years. He became known for his "Keep on Truckin'" and "Fritz the Cat" cartoons. Disillusioned with the United States, Crumb took his family to France, where they now live.
Somewhere along the way, Crumb decided to take on the Bible, starting with Genesis. That is no small ambition. But why?
Crumb seems attracted to the book of Genesis as a collection of narratives with deep influence in Western culture. "I'm a spiritual guy," he told USA Today. "I'm not an atheist, more an agnostic. I don't doubt the existence of God. I just don't know quite what God is. It's a question that will challenge me until the day I die."
Read the rest of Cartooning the Word — R. Crumb’s "The Book of Genesis"
Should the Bible be Cartooned?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/20/2009 3:45:50 PM
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It's already been done by others (Hanna Barbera comes to mind). Plus there's "The Picture Bible", which is done like a comic strip. And countless bible storybooks. So what's one more?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/20/2009 4:50:46 PM
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Actually it's the message not medium(or even messager for that matter)that's important.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/20/2009 4:53:41 PM
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It's already been done by others (Hanna Barbera comes to mind). Plus there's "The Picture Bible", which is done like a comic strip. And countless bible storybooks. So what's one more?
We had the Picture Bible when my sons were young. That's about 25 years ago. I don't know if I still have it. This isn't a new idea.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 12:13:35 AM
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R. Crumb reveals a great deal about himself in this project. His project also reveals once again why God gave us words, and not images. Crumb's newest work may be described as a triumph of the human imagination -- and that is precisely the problem.
The above is an excerpt from the article. The author claims that god communicates with people through words instead of images, because images express the (mis)interpretation of the artist. I disagree with this, in this case. The real danger, I think, is that images can evoke more immediate, visceral emotions. Words can be rationalized, but I think people are more apt to pause when they see images of the Israelites stabbing pregnant Canaanites, for example.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 12:14:34 AM
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The problem is editing. Unless it is a massive set of books, only certain interactions and statements could be in it and much of the illustration would be highly speculative. I think it might be best to keep these things in the bible story book area. I think it is misleading to refer to it as a bible or the Scriptures.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 1:43:38 AM
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The real problem is the gossipy introduction to the question. The person's past is thrown at us like an obvious indictment on the nature of this type of work. How does that person's past enter into it, especially since all those things said against him should have no bearing on an honest appraisal of the question: "Should the Bible be cartooned?"
Once again we have this attack on the character of a public person. I suppose the inference is that if such a person chooses to cartoon the Bible, cartooning the Bible must be evil. The unbalanced presentation of the question clearly shows the opinion of the author.
This kind of "editorial" character assassination to ostensibly prove a point the author feels strongly about is of a highly questionable character itself.
And what is missing makes this question by Albert Mohler truly distasteful: none of what was said about Crumb's past work--some sign of disrespect or untruth in his rendering--is apparently present in the cartoon presentation of the Genesis. Nothing, in fact, is said about the book itself--when it should be, if this other "information" we were given about the author were somehow relevant.
Like an earlier piece on Letterman, I found this "attack" on the worldly by Mohler base and petty, self-righteous and pompous.
Just ask the question: "Should the Bible be cartooned?"
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 6:11:22 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
The problem is editing. Unless it is a massive set of books, only certain interactions and statements could be in it and much of the illustration would be highly speculative. I think it might be best to keep these things in the bible story book area. I think it is misleading to refer to it as a bible or the Scriptures.
This version is supposedly verse by verse, but I haven't seen it to confirm that.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 6:50:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil
It's already been done by others (Hanna Barbera comes to mind). Plus there's "The Picture Bible", which is done like a comic strip. And countless bible storybooks. So what's one more?
Yeah, exactly. Is this version anything more than the hundreds of other illustrated, cartoon Bibles that are already out there?
I read to my boys from a "cartoon" kid's Bible every night, inserting relevant commentary when I feel the simplified kids version is missing some vital point.
What's one more? Maybe they will actually draw Noah's Ark properly, which is a pet peeve of mine in 99% of kid's Bibles.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 7:50:23 AM
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This version is supposedly verse by verse, but I haven't seen it to confirm that.
You are correct.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 7:52:55 AM
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I think there are two questions here, and they are being intermingled. My answer is the same to both, but that might not be true for everyone.
1. CAN the Bible be cartooned -- I think yes. As long as it is true to the text based version, no problem.
2. SHOULD the Bible be cartooned -- I also think yes, for the simple reason that anything that makes people more likely to read it is a good thing.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 8:23:38 AM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 9:51:32 AM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
I meant can in the sense of "can it be done Scripturally?" not "can it be done artistically?"
More like is it permissible? And even if it is permissible, should we do it?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 10:49:11 AM
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I don't have any problem with it, although some of it may not be suitable for children.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 3:12:09 PM
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The problem is editing. Unless it is a massive set of books, only certain interactions and statements could be in it and much of the illustration would be highly speculative. I think it might be best to keep these things in the bible story book area. I think it is misleading to refer to it as a bible or the Scriptures.
I can certainly see how illustrating the 613 laws that you seem to support would be a problem, but illustrating;
(Mat 22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
(Mat 22:38) This is the first and great commandment.
(Mat 22:39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
should not be a problem.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 3:32:48 PM
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There is a naughty little piece of work at thebricktestament.com where lots and lots of Old Testament stories are told with still photos of Leggo characters.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 4:22:54 PM
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The problem is editing. Unless it is a massive set of books, only certain interactions and statements could be in it and much of the illustration would be highly speculative. I think it might be best to keep these things in the bible story book area. I think it is misleading to refer to it as a bible or the Scriptures.
I can certainly see how illustrating the 613 laws that you seem to support would be a problem, but illustrating;
(Mat 22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
(Mat 22:38) This is the first and great commandment.
(Mat 22:39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
should not be a problem.
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Nice sucker punch. However, as I have clearly stated I see the 613 cataloguing as commentary and not Scripture. I believe the best way to look at the commandments is in context. Quite frankly, the illustrating of the commandments would not necessarily be the most difficult part. Pauls rational arguments would be much harder to capture in a visual way.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 4:24:07 PM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 5:46:35 PM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
How did they do that? Just curious...
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 8:25:39 PM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
How did they do that? Just curious...
In the margins of the transcriptions. Before the printing press and even in some of the press moldes they would embellish the pages with pictures.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/21/2009 9:08:09 PM
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Pictures of what, though? You responded to my post about begets and census numbers, and said they used to illustrate those. I wanted to know how they illustrated the begets and census numbers.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 3:41:35 AM
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Can the Bible be cartooned? Yes.
Should the Bible be cartooned? Maybe.
Should it be cartooned by R. Crumb? If the article accurately reports his statements regarding his beliefs and perspectives regarding God, faith, the Bible, and the book of Genesis, I'm going to go with "no."
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 12:57:25 PM
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When you are illustrating, especially cartooning, you use cliche drawings. If it is done as a graphic novel not every word or thought is drawn. Dialogue takes care of filling in the story.
I do wonder how he editorialized his illustrations. His belief system is bound to show through. I do think a picture is worth a thousand words, too.
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