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Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/4/2008 11:34:27 PM
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John_O
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DNC steps ion to silence Lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
The above link takes you to a discussion on www.FreeRepublic.com about Obama's citizenship.
Seems a Pennsylvania democrat has been trying to get a copy of Obama's birth certificate (or get proof that Obama was born in the US or it's territories) for a while. He finally filed a lawsuit alleging that Obama is not a natural born citizen and is thus not eligible to be President.
This has been going on for months. Finally the DNC has stepped in and filed a motion to dismiss the suit.
Lots of good discussion on FreeRepublic (which is why I posted the link). One point that makes a lot of sense to me is "if Obama has a certificate, why doesn't he just show it and prove he's a citizen. The way the situation is being handled leads one to belive that he does not have a certificate and iis thus not eligible OR he is totally inept at handling little things like this (which come to think of it, would make him ineligible in a different way)"
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/4/2008 11:42:29 PM
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Dubya
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DNC steps ion to silence Lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
The above link takes you to a discussion on www.FreeRepublic.com about Obama's citizenship.
Seems a Pennsylvania democrat has been trying to get a copy of Obama's birth certificate (or get proof that Obama was born in the US or it's territories) for a while. He finally filed a lawsuit alleging that Obama is not a natural born citizen and is thus not eligible to be President.
This has been going on for months. Finally the DNC has stepped in and filed a motion to dismiss the suit.
Lots of good discussion on FreeRepublic (which is why I posted the link). One point that makes a lot of sense to me is "if Obama has a certificate, why doesn't he just show it and prove he's a citizen. The way the situation is being handled leads one to belive that he does not have a certificate and iis thus not eligible OR he is totally inept at handling little things like this (which come to think of it, would make him ineligible in a different way)"
I recall that Obama made a trip to Kenya a couple of years ago. If he did, he must have had a US Passport, and to get that you need a valid birth certificate.
I'm not saying this suit is groundless, but I have some real doubts.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 12:55:15 AM
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rgsoundguy
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I recall that Obama made a trip to Kenya a couple of years ago. If he did, he must have had a US Passport, and to get that you need a valid birth certificate.
I'm not saying this suit is groundless, but I have some real doubts.
There are immigrants that are now US citizens that I am sure have passports. What do they need to submit to apply for their passports? Obama could have gone that route if we was indeed not born in this country.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 8:37:10 AM
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Dubya
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I recall that Obama made a trip to Kenya a couple of years ago. If he did, he must have had a US Passport, and to get that you need a valid birth certificate.
I'm not saying this suit is groundless, but I have some real doubts.
There are immigrants that are now US citizens that I am sure have passports. What do they need to submit to apply for their passports? Obama could have gone that route if we was indeed not born in this country.
Yes, my wife is one of those. She submitted her Naturalization Certificate.
If that was Obama's case he would not be Constitutionally qualified to be President.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 12:55:25 PM
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rgsoundguy
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I recall that Obama made a trip to Kenya a couple of years ago. If he did, he must have had a US Passport, and to get that you need a valid birth certificate.
I'm not saying this suit is groundless, but I have some real doubts.
There are immigrants that are now US citizens that I am sure have passports. What do they need to submit to apply for their passports? Obama could have gone that route if we was indeed not born in this country.
Yes, my wife is one of those. She submitted her Naturalization Certificate.
If that was Obama's case he would not be Constitutionally qualified to be President.
Agreed, so the passport argument is out. Let's see the birth certificate!
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:07:50 PM
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I can't believe that some are still flogging this non-issue. It is beyond pathetic.
Representatives of Fact Check.org flew out to Hawaii this past summer where they held and photographed a state-certified copy of Obama's B.C.
You can go to their site, and see digital images of it.
If that evidence isn't good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you short of suggesting you fly to Honolulu and check it out yourself.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:08:48 PM
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I recall that Obama made a trip to Kenya a couple of years ago. If he did, he must have had a US Passport, and to get that you need a valid birth certificate.
I'm not saying this suit is groundless, but I have some real doubts.
There are immigrants that are now US citizens that I am sure have passports. What do they need to submit to apply for their passports? Obama could have gone that route if we was indeed not born in this country.
Yes, my wife is one of those. She submitted her Naturalization Certificate.
If that was Obama's case he would not be Constitutionally qualified to be President.
Agreed, so the passport argument is out. Let's see the birth certificate!
He has provided a duplicate certificate ... the original was lost. And ... the state of Hawaii has verified that certificate. This is a non-issue. (I no longer have my original but have the certified copy provided by the county. It is considered to be just as good as the original when it comes to verifying natural born citizenship.)
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:09:08 PM
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rgsoundguy
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If that evidence isn't good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you short of suggesting you fly to Honolulu and check it out yourself.
I would love to fly to Honolulu. I could really use a vacation.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:13:42 PM
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Rockwall
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DNC steps ion to silence Lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
The above link takes you to a discussion on www.FreeRepublic.com about Obama's citizenship.
Seems a Pennsylvania democrat has been trying to get a copy of Obama's birth certificate (or get proof that Obama was born in the US or it's territories) for a while. He finally filed a lawsuit alleging that Obama is not a natural born citizen and is thus not eligible to be President.
This has been going on for months. Finally the DNC has stepped in and filed a motion to dismiss the suit.
Lots of good discussion on FreeRepublic (which is why I posted the link). One point that makes a lot of sense to me is "if Obama has a certificate, why doesn't he just show it and prove he's a citizen. The way the situation is being handled leads one to belive that he does not have a certificate and iis thus not eligible OR he is totally inept at handling little things like this (which come to think of it, would make him ineligible in a different way)"
Though I do not like Barack, this lawsuit is frivolous.
BUT I kind of like it because the left have made a big deal about the non-issue Palin "troopergate". If this can be a small distraction for Barack, then so be it.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:16:46 PM
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todd_t
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I no longer have my original but have the certified copy provided by the county. It is considered to be just as good as the original when it comes to verifying natural born citizenship
Same here. I had to provide a certified copy of my BC when I recently applied for a US passport for an upcoming business trip to Europe.
My original certificate was lost long ago.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 1:19:11 PM
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rgsoundguy
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I no longer have my original but have the certified copy provided by the county. It is considered to be just as good as the original when it comes to verifying natural born citizenship
Same here. I had to provide a certified copy of my BC when I recently applied for a US passport for an upcoming business trip to Europe.
My original certificate was lost long ago.
Yeah, I had to do the same when I moved for PA to NJ and transfer my Drivers License. Fortunately I held on to it when I moved back to PA and had to transfer my license yet again.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/5/2008 2:09:47 PM
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Dubya
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I can't believe that some are still flogging this non-issue. It is beyond pathetic.
Representatives of Fact Check.org flew out to Hawaii this past summer where they held and photographed a state-certified copy of Obama's B.C.
You can go to their site, and see digital images of it.
If that evidence isn't good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you short of suggesting you fly to Honolulu and check it out yourself.
I think I read that the guy filing the lawsuit knows about that. He disputes the validity, if I remember correctly.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:40:36 PM
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I was starting to post this in another thread, but I got referred to here instead, so here's what I found out:
According to THIS FOXnews.com story, Obama wasn't born in Kenya, his father is from Kenya and his mother is from Kansas. Here is an excerpt:
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Larry Sabato, professor and director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, offered a few reasons for international Obamamania, but noted primarily the Illinois senator's racial and ethnic background. Obama was born to a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas. He has traveled to Africa to visit his father's homeland and while a child lived for four years in Indonesia with his mother and stepfather.
Nowhere does it say that Obama wasn't born in the USA. Since that is a requirement for being President, then he wouldn't been allowed to file papers for running for that office if he weren't born here.
Whether or not Obama is an American citizen though, I'm still voting for McCain, who served his country and so I have no question in my mind that he IS an American Citizen.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:46:55 PM
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solomonsprayer,
Do you realize that "article" is only posted in a forum? You should seek further evidence before you believe it.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:49:18 PM
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I have a question: I know 0bama's father was not an US citizen, but his mother was at the time of his birth, correct? If she was, what is the law regarding babies born outside of the US to a US citizen? Ae they considered citizens?
If he has to be disqualified, happy day! But I would rather have him defeated on the issues, not on a technicality.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:50:12 PM
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solomonsprayer
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solomonsprayer,
Do you realize that "article" is only posted in a forum? You should seek further evidence before you believe it.
It's also linked from Fox News and Michael Savage:
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
Savage talked specifically about it today on the radio show. ....That's why I'm curious why Obama's own family would say he was born in Kenya....his own family!
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:54:02 PM
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solomonsprayer
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I have a question: I know 0bama's father was not an US citizen, but his mother was at the time of his both, correct? If she was, what is the law regarding babies born outside of the US to a US citizen?
If he has to be disqualified, happy day! But I would rather have him defeated on the issues, not on a technicality.
I don't know, but the law for being a U.S. Presient says you have to be born ON U.S. soil. ....
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:56:59 PM
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MrFribbles
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It's also linked from Fox News and Michael Savage:
I'd appreciate a link to the Fox News source, since I don't put much credit in Mr. Savage.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 10:59:14 PM
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solomonsprayer
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So let's get back to the main issue: Why would Obama's OWN grandmother and half brother and sister say he was born in Kenya? ....What motive would they have to say that other than the truth? Could they ALL be mistaken?
Answer that and I shall return tomorrow. ....I am falling asleep guys!
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 11:00:51 PM
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TMeeks
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Sorry, they did NOT travel to Hawaii as you claim.
Factcheck says that they contacted Hawaii; but, only actually held and photographed the contested document at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. So, no they did NOT see the actual birth certificate signed by a physician. They saw the document that has been questioned.
Perhaps you should factcheck your factcheck.org stories. 
What the lawsuit is seeking to be produced is the same type of birth certificate that most of us have... one signed by the attending physician. Neither Obama nor Factcheck has produced a copy of that original document. All they have managed to do is to produce an AFFIDAVIT that one exits somewhere. The document photographed by Factcheck is NOT an actual birth certificate. It is a certificate saying there is a certificate. We'll see if the courts side with the DNC or not.
But, don't you think it is odd that Obama cannot or will not produce a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and only a copy of an affidavit that declares one exists. You could do it. I can do it. My kids can do it. Why does the DNC and Obama virtually admit that they CANNOT do it by filing this MOTION TO DENY DISCOVERY.
The fact that Factcheck fails to understand the difference between the document that Obama has produced and a certified COPY OF AN ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH SIGNED BY A PHYSICIAN is extremely distressing. Are they truly fact checkers or easily duped shills?
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I can't believe that some are still flogging this non-issue. It is beyond pathetic.
Representatives of Fact Check.org flew out to Hawaii this past summer where they held and photographed a state-certified copy of Obama's B.C.
You can go to their site, and see digital images of it.
If that evidence isn't good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you short of suggesting you fly to Honolulu and check it out yourself.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 11:09:33 PM
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solomonsprayer
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It's also linked from Fox News and Michael Savage:
I'd appreciate a link to the Fox News source, since I don't put much credit in Mr. Savage.
Hmmm, Michael Savage IS part of Fox no? If not, I thought he was, sorry. I am not sure if Hannity talked specifically about this this week. I vaguely remember it.
Michael Savage talked specifically about this issue today on the radio and encouraged listeners to goto his website for a link to more info, which I just did tonight. Again, I don't know much about it. I just heard it today actually. So I checked Savage's site and saw the link.
And the first thing that popped up was that Obama's own family (grandmother and half sister/brother) all said he was born in Kenya. And no birth certificate was found in Hawaii......My main thing was why would his own family members....several of them ALL say that? What motive if not that it was true?....They all said they WITNESSED his birth in Kenya. So that part seemed so strong to me. As for more verification, we shoudl definitely seek more like you said, by searchign online, except I'm dead sleepy tired.
(p.s. Michael Savage has millions of viewers and is very well-known, so I don't think he'd just lie about the facts on this. Whether he KNOWS whether or not Obama's family did say Obaama was born in Kenya is not known to me. I don't recall him specifically saying that, because I caught the tail-end of the convo on radio. I was also pre-occupied from driving, but I remember he just said, "check the link on my website, whre I have more informatin.")
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 11:13:07 PM
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MrFribbles
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Hmmm, Michael Savage IS part of Fox no?
If he is, I just lost even more respect for Fox News. It seems that he is part of World News Daily - which I do not trust in the least.
If you can find a video of Obama's relatives making these claims, I will at least believe that. Until then, I would say the whole story is bogus.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/8/2008 11:14:31 PM
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ManimalX
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It is a certificate saying there is a certificate. We'll see if the courts side with the DNC or not.
Which is yet another reason why we need someone who won't appoint kool-aid drinking liberal kook judges!
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