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Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/14/2008 11:11:46 PM
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dt29
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I often thought about this verse and how God expects us to use what He gives us for his Glory and to reach others. Something happened tonight that really is weighing heavy on my heart, maybe some of you have wrestled with this before. But I encountered what I believe was a homeless man in the grocery store spending some handout money he might have just been given. He looked the part and acted like an outcast. He was quiet, stood off to the side and certainly did not appear like he belonged in that venue and he seemed to believe that himself. He dug through the deli case and found a premade sandwhich and was waiting to pay for it as I ordered some food from the deli myself. I had a few things to get and told the deli worker to ring him up first if she liked and she did. He didn't buy a drink, just the sandwhich and then sat down and ate there at the deli. I decided to get some extra chicken strips and a gatorade and then sat them at his table and told him it was for him. He looked at me with a surprised look and said thank you. I don't believe I have ever felt someone truly express so much gratitude in the simple reply of "thank you". I think about how people I work with will bring food or snacks into work as treats on someone's birthday or just to have snacks. We are never hungry or fearful of going without food, and if I ever say thank you it's rather customary than anything esle. I have never had much exposure to the homeless, but my heart does ache. I know circumstances can be different from homeless person to homeless person, but I find myself longing to tell this guy that he mattered. Not the way I matter to my coworkers or supervisor as an employee, and not the way I matter to the government as a voter or taxpayer or productive member of society. But rather that he mattered to the God that breathed life into him and sustained him and allowed him to be sitting in that grocery store at that very moment so God could truly bless me with the act of giving. I felt just as blessed as that man probably felt. This was a new experience that God introduced and sorry to act like it's a big deal but I just wanted to share with others.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/14/2008 11:17:32 PM
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MrFribbles
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and sorry to act like it's a big deal It is a big deal! It sounds like you've had a very powerful experience. Have you considered volunteering at a local homeless shelter?
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/14/2008 11:28:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: dt29 I often thought about this verse and how God expects us to use what He gives us for his Glory and to reach others. Something happened tonight that really is weighing heavy on my heart, maybe some of you have wrestled with this before. But I encountered what I believe was a homeless man in the grocery store spending some handout money he might have just been given. He looked the part and acted like an outcast. He was quiet, stood off to the side and certainly did not appear like he belonged in that venue and he seemed to believe that himself. He dug through the deli case and found a premade sandwhich and was waiting to pay for it as I ordered some food from the deli myself. I had a few things to get and told the deli worker to ring him up first if she liked and she did. He didn't buy a drink, just the sandwhich and then sat down and ate there at the deli. I decided to get some extra chicken strips and a gatorade and then sat them at his table and told him it was for him. He looked at me with a surprised look and said thank you. I don't believe I have ever felt someone truly express so much gratitude in the simple reply of "thank you". I think about how people I work with will bring food or snacks into work as treats on someone's birthday or just to have snacks. We are never hungry or fearful of going without food, and if I ever say thank you it's rather customary than anything esle. I have never had much exposure to the homeless, but my heart does ache. I know circumstances can be different from homeless person to homeless person, but I find myself longing to tell this guy that he mattered. Not the way I matter to my coworkers or supervisor as an employee, and not the way I matter to the government as a voter or taxpayer or productive member of society. But rather that he mattered to the God that breathed life into him and sustained him and allowed him to be sitting in that grocery store at that very moment so God could truly bless me with the act of giving. I felt just as blessed as that man probably felt. This was a new experience that God introduced and sorry to act like it's a big deal but I just wanted to share with others. I am so glad that you have shared this, it absolutely brought tears to my eyes and touched my heart. I know exactly what you mean. I never knew what it meant when someone said, "It's better to give than to receive." But that was made all too clear to me when the good Lord saved me. I find complete joy in giving, and look for every chance I have to do just that. Once I had a man walk up to me, while I was sitting in my car, I had just came out of Walgreens after purchasing what I needed. I had seen this guy before, and he always seemed to catch my eye and my heart always went out to him, but on this night, as I sit in my car, he approached me, and when he spoke, I couldnt really understand him. And I said excuse me, and he stuttered again, so I went on to say, sir what are you needing? And I heard dollar, thats all I could make out, I said ok, hold on one sec....as I looked in my billfold, I had 1, one dollar bill and a ten dollar bill. I handed him the 10 dollar bill, he was expecting a dollar, when he looked at it and realized, what I had given him, his eyes lit up, and he stuttered and said, "Thank you." I watched this man walk away smiling, like he had just won the lottery....he went back over to his bench where he was sitting, and put that money deep into his pocket. As I drove away, praising God and crying, and praying for that little fella, my heart was aching for him, but it was then, that I truly realized what it meant...it's better to give than to receive! The experience was something that i have never had before, and now, I'm also looking for that opportunity.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 10:01:05 AM
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Thank you for sharing. It brought tears to my eyes. My heart is always close to the homeless. I've had that same thing happen to me numerous times. There are so many homeless close to where I work. WHen they ask for money for coffee or food, I buy them the food to ensure that they actually get fed, and not use the money for other vices. There's a homeless man that goes in our congregation. His name is Jim and he's mentally ill. I'm not sure what' swrong with him, but he goes there consistently. He doesn't ask for money; he even makes donation to the coffee fund. OFten times, I think he comes in just to take shelter from the cold. I consider him part of the community and when he's not there, I often wonder if he's ok. I know I"ll be very sad if something happens to him. He does't go to the shelter/soupkitchen that I volunteer in, but I"m sure he goes to the other ones. I once bought him a really warm pair of gloves and gave them to him and he gave a smile that brought tears to my eyes. Just like you, it was a very heartfelt thanksgiving.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 11:03:33 AM
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Here's my beef with churchianity. Years ago when my wife and I first got saved we had a strong desire to help the needy on the street. Does anyone remember where the mission used to be in downtown Omaha? We did the unpardonable sin and took our 'tithes' and bought about 80 hamburgers. We bought some coffee thermoses and went downtown across from the mission. We set up shop on the back of our car. We had our 2 small children with us. I went looking for some clientel. Out of the alley walked this guy who looked like he'd 'been through it'. We offered him coffee and a burger. Before long, we had a crowd of street people all around us. Here's the kick. We had not felt the power of God like that ever in 'church'. The anointing could have been sliced with a knife. The following week we went down again to do the same. This one guy, about 40, walked up to us and began to thank us for what we were doing. He dropped a big WOW on us. He said 'I've been watching what you are doing here. Your children with you. My heart has been touched. I've decided to go back home to my family in Alabama. Thank-you'. Tears in his eyes. We saw a lot of tears with these men. It doesn't get any better than that. We had another fellow that poured out his life story to Kathy while I staid busy with others. He said he had been to Vietnam and his life was a shambles. Later God gave me a song titled Glenn's Song. That was his name. He was an american indian. If you care to, you can listen to this song at www.soundclick.com/devonleesley The sad part is that we could no longer, after a while, afford to do this anymore. We are taught that you have to give a required amount to the 'church' weekly which left us with nothing to help the poor with. In fact we suffered for years financially. I submit that helping the poor and missionaries/apostles is the scriptural focus. Most folks I known through the years never had enough to fulfill Christ's concerns for the needy. So we lost out on this ministry of the Spirit. That was 28 years ago. Last summer I re visited this 'pastor' that we had at the time. He told me that he was sorry for not supporting us with that street ministry.....to little, to late. We have been delivered from the 'churches' narrow view about 7 year s ago. We now are directed by God on our living and yes, our giving. We are old now. It took a life time to 'see the light' on this, but at least we see now. The poor with in and the poor without. These are the ones we are to help. This will further the gospel more than anything. I remember a few years ago we were in Lexington at a dollar store. I sat in the car waiting for Kathy to get what she needed. Out came a mexican family with a couple of kids. They proceeded to get into an old beat up car. My heart broke. I reached for a couple of twenties and went and gave it to him. The rest of the day my wife and I had our own personal Holy Spirit time. Driving down the road with tears streaming down our faces. We never experienced this kind of blessing by merely writing a check out to this months 'awesome visiting preacher'. I realized some will try to correct me on this but please don't bother. We've been around the block some and now we know God's heart on 'how to give' and 'to whom'. Funny how we are instructed week after week that we are to 'be led of the Spirit'.....except when it comes to money. You're under a law on that one. Wrong! God bless. devon and Kathy
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 12:11:01 PM
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dt29
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ORIGINAL: rolling Here's my beef with churchianity. Years ago when my wife and I first got saved we had a strong desire to help the needy on the street. Does anyone remember where the mission used to be in downtown Omaha? We did the unpardonable sin and took our 'tithes' and bought about 80 hamburgers. We bought some coffee thermoses and went downtown across from the mission. We set up shop on the back of our car. We had our 2 small children with us. I went looking for some clientel. Out of the alley walked this guy who looked like he'd 'been through it'. We offered him coffee and a burger. Before long, we had a crowd of street people all around us. Here's the kick. We had not felt the power of God like that ever in 'church'. The anointing could have been sliced with a knife. The following week we went down again to do the same. This one guy, about 40, walked up to us and began to thank us for what we were doing. He dropped a big WOW on us. He said 'I've been watching what you are doing here. Your children with you. My heart has been touched. I've decided to go back home to my family in Alabama. Thank-you'. Tears in his eyes. We saw a lot of tears with these men. It doesn't get any better than that. We had another fellow that poured out his life story to Kathy while I staid busy with others. He said he had been to Vietnam and his life was a shambles. Later God gave me a song titled Glenn's Song. That was his name. He was an american indian. If you care to, you can listen to this song at www.soundclick.com/devonleesley The sad part is that we could no longer, after a while, afford to do this anymore. We are taught that you have to give a required amount to the 'church' weekly which left us with nothing to help the poor with. In fact we suffered for years financially. I submit that helping the poor and missionaries/apostles is the scriptural focus. Most folks I known through the years never had enough to fulfill Christ's concerns for the needy. So we lost out on this ministry of the Spirit. That was 28 years ago. Last summer I re visited this 'pastor' that we had at the time. He told me that he was sorry for not supporting us with that street ministry.....to little, to late. We have been delivered from the 'churches' narrow view about 7 year s ago. We now are directed by God on our living and yes, our giving. We are old now. It took a life time to 'see the light' on this, but at least we see now. The poor with in and the poor without. These are the ones we are to help. This will further the gospel more than anything. I remember a few years ago we were in Lexington at a dollar store. I sat in the car waiting for Kathy to get what she needed. Out came a mexican family with a couple of kids. They proceeded to get into an old beat up car. My heart broke. I reached for a couple of twenties and went and gave it to him. The rest of the day my wife and I had our own personal Holy Spirit time. Driving down the road with tears streaming down our faces. We never experienced this kind of blessing by merely writing a check out to this months 'awesome visiting preacher'. I realized some will try to correct me on this but please don't bother. We've been around the block some and now we know God's heart on 'how to give' and 'to whom'. Funny how we are instructed week after week that we are to 'be led of the Spirit'.....except when it comes to money. You're under a law on that one. Wrong! God bless. devon and Kathy I hear you. A friends church I was attending recently spoke about finances needed for cosmetic work to their church in the same speech about not have money reserved for handouts to needy families or community members in desperate circumstances. End result, the approved expense for cosmetics was much larger than the reserve for outreach, didn't make much sense to me given their expressed concern for outreach, seemed contradictory. Recently I visited another church to explore possible membership, the spoke about dire financial situations just before taking up an offering. The church was pristine and rich in technology. Was this the fruit of the gospel's outreach? I still asking God to sort these things out.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 12:13:06 PM
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dt29
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles quote:
and sorry to act like it's a big deal It is a big deal! It sounds like you've had a very powerful experience. Have you considered volunteering at a local homeless shelter? I have pursued a possibility at a local homeless shelter and ministry center known about for some time, but you must be a member of an evangelical church to volunteer. And right now, I am shopping around churches in hopes of discovering the one God wants me to join and grow with.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 12:19:04 PM
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dt29
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker Thank you for sharing. It brought tears to my eyes. My heart is always close to the homeless. I've had that same thing happen to me numerous times. There are so many homeless close to where I work. WHen they ask for money for coffee or food, I buy them the food to ensure that they actually get fed, and not use the money for other vices. There's a homeless man that goes in our congregation. His name is Jim and he's mentally ill. I'm not sure what' swrong with him, but he goes there consistently. He doesn't ask for money; he even makes donation to the coffee fund. OFten times, I think he comes in just to take shelter from the cold. I consider him part of the community and when he's not there, I often wonder if he's ok. I know I"ll be very sad if something happens to him. He does't go to the shelter/soupkitchen that I volunteer in, but I"m sure he goes to the other ones. I once bought him a really warm pair of gloves and gave them to him and he gave a smile that brought tears to my eyes. Just like you, it was a very heartfelt thanksgiving. Direct giving is the best. I gave coats to a local christian mission last year and have been storing up coats to give again this year. During the off season I buy online reduced winter coats here and there as God leads. At garage sales I try to grab coats, as well as anything with a hood or layers, etc. The little stock pile has grown and I really want these items to go directly into the hands of those truly truly without. The concern is that volunteers at the center might see the nice item and take for themselves, granted they may be struggling as well, but I don't think that's right. I saw this at a christian donation center I worked at in another state and it troubled me to think that some people are giving coats in hopes that a homeless person ends up with it, but actually it's being taken by a volunteer that has much more than a homeless person. I hope God leds me to more times when I can do direct donation.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 10:06:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: rolling The sad part is that we could no longer, after a while, afford to do this anymore. We are taught that you have to give a required amount to the 'church' weekly which left us with nothing to help the poor with. Yes, this is sad and in my opinion not Scriptural. If some want to make the "don't muzzle the ox that treads the grain" point, and say we should pay people to do "church work" they might have a point. However, the tithe was never intended for building and maintanence of anything but the Temple. We are commanded to give a tithe to the poor, save a tithe for a trip to Jerusalem at the appointed time and every three years to give a tithe to the Levite serving in the Temple. Since there is no temple, many give this triennial tithe to the poor also. In short, you were right and they were wrong, in my opinion. The tithe was never intended for the support of "the church" or anyone who works in one.
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RE: Matthew 25:35-40 - 11/15/2008 11:33:07 PM
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I agree Bluethread.
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