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Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 5:04:42 PM
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Limulus
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The Lutherans in the Missouri Synod have better doctrine than what
thought they believed. Good stuff. I'd call myself a Lutheran after
reading this stuff, heh. Theology continues to interest me.
"Choose" to Believe
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2645
--related to Of Conversion
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=569
--related to Of the Election of Grace
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=576
I was a bit confused at to what they believed because I first talked to a phone receptionist at their church who believed in "age of accountability" which is not biblical and does not appear to be what Lutherans in the Missouri Synod officially believe. I must now check with their pastor!
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 5:07:01 PM
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Limulus
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Age of Accountability - official statement
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2140
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 5:08:42 PM
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Limulus
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Infant Baptism - this isn't biblical, from what I understand
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2612
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 5:28:36 PM
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You will probably find that the most distinguished difference with LCMS will be their view of communion.
Here is a link about that with other links at the bottom for more information.
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=422
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 10:23:12 PM
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Limulus
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You will probably find that the most distinguished difference with LCMS will be their view of communion.
Here is a link about that with other links at the bottom for more information.
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=422
From reading that, they allow communion for anyone or am I reading that wrong?
Also, it looks like their belief in infant baptism is actually a child dedication process, not as I would describe actual baptism. Their practice of Confirmation is similar to what most Christian's practice as water baptism, a symbolic representation of what has already happened (I.E. Christ saving you... dead in sins, resurrection in Christ)
The reason that I am checking this out is that I had a car problem way across town. Some guy stopped to help me, said he went to a nearby Lutheran church just a few blocks from my house. I thought that was pretty cool.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/30/2008 10:37:26 PM
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Limulus, I'm a LCMS member looking for another type of church because of some of the things that are NOT biblical at these churches. This site will help answer many of your questions about Christian doctrine and infant baptism and other stuff.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 8:04:38 AM
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I have to give credit to the LCMS. They are one of three Lutheran denominations that still believe the Bible is true.
The problem comes from a legacy of Catholicism that is not necessarily doctrinal, the organizational and systematized approach to Christianity.
The Bible tells us that the goal of church is for each Christian to grow into the image of Christ. Organizational systems seem more inclined to make declarations of doctrine and fall short of engaging each member in real growth.
I would accuse the LCMS of the same failure of most churches and that is the exercise of control (albeit for well intentioned purposes) that quenches the work of the Holy Spirit and the relationships between Christians where real ministry can occur.
A "correct" doctrine of the right way to take communion would seem secondary to me over the development of hearts that hunger and thirst after righteousness, cry out for wisdom, and are constantly seeking to draw closer to their Lord.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 8:35:23 AM
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Limulus, I'm a LCMS member looking for another type of church because of some of the things that are NOT biblical at these churches. This site will help answer many of your questions about Christian doctrine and infant baptism and other stuff.
Thanks for the info. I use that site a lot.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 10:14:14 AM
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I have to give credit to the LCMS. They are one of three Lutheran denominations that still believe the Bible is true. What are those? Do you count the Illinois Lutheran Conference as one of them?
The Lutheran Resource Page lists some 37 different Lutheran denominations in North America (Canada, US, Mexico).
http://www.lutheranresource.com/
http://www.illinoislutheranconference.org/index.htm
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 10:20:37 AM
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I have to give credit to the LCMS. They are one of three Lutheran denominations that still believe the Bible is true. What are those? Do you count the Illinois Lutheran Conference as one of them?
The Lutheran Resource Page lists some 37 different Lutheran denominations in North America (Canada, US, Mexico).
http://www.lutheranresource.com/
http://www.illinoislutheranconference.org/index.htm
I don't know which branch in particular, but there was a Lutheran church that just split in my home town concerning homosexual issues.
I still think Martin Luther was awesome for what he did, by God's grace and direction. He is still listed on my MySpace page as "person I'd like to meet" ...of course someday in heaven. I would also not be concerned with having fellowship with anyone from the LCMS.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 10:40:54 AM
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Limulus
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I learned something today.
http://www.crosswalk.com/spirituallife/11584087/
"Reformation Day remember a particular October 31—the day in 1517 that Dr. Martin Luther chose to post his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg."
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 10/31/2008 10:50:16 AM
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I learned something today.
http://www.crosswalk.com/spirituallife/11584087/
"Reformation Day remember a particular October 31—the day in 1517 that Dr. Martin Luther chose to post his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg."
yep...growing up, we celebrated Reformation Sunday complete with a big party and dressing in costumes of Luther and other reformers...it was always fun.
Infant baptism in the LCMS is just that (only without the whole immersion part). It is the only baptism needed as far as they are concerned.
Confirmation classes are instructional regarding the doctrine of the church, etc. Depends on the church, but we had instruction for 3 years and then there was a big graduation kind of ceremony where we were publically tested and took our first communion. They take the verses about bringing judgement on yourself when taking communion and not knowing what you believe about it very seriously.
Consubstantiation is a term commonly applied to the Lutheran concept of the communion supper. The idea is that in the communion, the body and blood of Christ, and the bread and wine, coexist in union with each other.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/4/2008 5:01:39 PM
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I don't have much time this login session, but I belong to LCMS, and have been a member of two different congregations. What one finds in how individual congregations operate varies quite a bit. In my former church, we've had visitors from the Midwest who were quite incensed we allowed women to read the OT and epistle lessons.
I'm fortunate to be in a congregation with a pastor who is bringing the Holy Spirit into our worship practices and conversations. We've also changed from the old-style confirmation classes to junior high discipleship, focusing on our personal relationships with the Trinity and impacts on every day life vs. the traditional head knowledge classes. We have a long ways to go as regards the HS but we're getting there.
Out of time.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/4/2008 11:37:46 PM
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Psalm22: I'm fortunate to be in a congregation with a pastor who is bringing the Holy Spirit into our worship practices and conversations.
Hi Psalm22. Can you explain what you mean? How does someone bring in the Holy Spirit into worship practices, what are the practices, and what are the results? Thanks!
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/5/2008 10:27:27 AM
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Psalm22: I'm fortunate to be in a congregation with a pastor who is bringing the Holy Spirit into our worship practices and conversations.
Hi Psalm22. Can you explain what you mean? How does someone bring in the Holy Spirit into worship practices, what are the practices, and what are the results? Thanks!
A rather large LCMS in our area dealt with this, too. What it meant for them was more freedom in praise and worship music times. Hands up, clapping, etc. The rather staunch liturgical portion of the service was loosened up a bit with more room for meaningful (probably the wrong word here but can't think of a better one) rather than memorized liturgy.
There was even a hint (meaning a minority of people) speaking tongues.
The church split and 30 years later both are large congregations.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/5/2008 7:08:26 PM
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Psalm22
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Mostly just speaking more openly about the role of the Holy Spirit, and including HS as an addressee in corporate prayers. We're really at the stage of casting seeds, but this is a congregation open to trying new ways. Some examples:
In a recent baptism, the father did the pouring of the water, under the pastor's supervision.
Recently the junior high disciples and their parents (at least those willing), stood up before the congregation and exchanged vows to talk to each other daily, to listen, to learn and teach. This year there is a large number of parents involved in the discipleship program, as small group discussion leaders as well as other roles.
For years we've had a traditional liturgical services and a praise / contemporary service. One with an organ and one with a praise team.
I'm out of time again.
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/6/2008 2:07:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: Limulus
The Lutherans in the Missouri Synod have better doctrine than what
thought they believed. Good stuff. I'd call myself a Lutheran after
reading this stuff, heh. Theology continues to interest me.
"Choose" to Believe
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2645
--related to Of Conversion
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=569
--related to Of the Election of Grace
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=576
I was a bit confused at to what they believed because I first talked to a phone receptionist at their church who believed in "age of accountability" which is not biblical and does not appear to be what Lutherans in the Missouri Synod officially believe. I must now check with their pastor!
Hello Limulus
I haven't been on crosswalk since 9/24/08 but then I found your topic interesting so I'm back. If you are interested in some more information about the LCMS my wife Jessica started a topic called,
"Lutheran Theology Chat Thread" under Theo House kinda slow...
Jessica and I are on http://wittenbergtrail.ning.com/ but I will ask her to visit crosswalk.
God Bless you
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RE: Lutherans - Missouri Synod - 11/6/2008 9:33:12 AM
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Hello Limulus,
All your questions are very good questions. I would recommend you to go on to the Wittenberg Trail website as that site is only people who are Lutheran and are looking into the Lutheran Church. All of them are conservative, confessional Lutherans. Peter gave you the website, and I would definately check it out. I have learned much even about my own Lutheran faith on that website. It is very educational and a great site. I am a convert to the LCMS from Roman Catholicism and I learned so much more from Wittenberg Trail about my Roman Catholic background and especially about my new Lutheran Christian way of life. I hope Wittenberg Trail will be of help to you as it was and is to me.
Soli Deo Gloria,
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