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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/5/2009 3:44:16 PM
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parkerbrother
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a cartoon from 1948
That's is not remotely related to anything happening today. Cold war is over.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/5/2009 4:18:13 PM
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Lapidoth
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Signing away freedom to obama? LOL
The tactics are the same.......................
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/5/2009 4:33:13 PM
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I remember seeing that video during the election and I got a kick out of it back then. Even more so today. Just confirms the saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/5/2009 10:50:28 PM
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parkerbrother
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Signing away freedom to obama? LOL
The tactics are the same.......................
Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 5:38:03 AM
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
Isn't it amazing how the tables turn. I think i have heard that question asked before or a different president.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 11:14:49 AM
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
Isn't it amazing how the tables turn. I think i have heard that question asked before or a different president.
Several can be named from the implications of the Patriot Act and the rendition program. The fact that the U.S. government can basically "disappear" people is a pretty massive loss of rights.
The tables have only turned if you can actually mention a freedom you or anyone has lost.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 11:29:39 AM
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
Isn't it amazing how the tables turn. I think i have heard that question asked before or a different president.
Several can be named from the implications of the Patriot Act and the rendition program. The fact that the U.S. government can basically "disappear" people is a pretty massive loss of rights.
The tables have only turned if you can actually mention a freedom you or anyone has lost.
isn't it interesting your play of words above? You start off talking about "implications" that presumably could lead to a violation of rights then move on to talking about how in order to state that the tables have turned I must show an ACTUAL loss of freedoms.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 11:58:11 AM
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
Isn't it amazing how the tables turn. I think i have heard that question asked before or a different president.
Several can be named from the implications of the Patriot Act and the rendition program. The fact that the U.S. government can basically "disappear" people is a pretty massive loss of rights.
The tables have only turned if you can actually mention a freedom you or anyone has lost.
isn't it interesting your play of words above? You start off talking about "implications" that presumably could lead to a violation of rights then move on to talking about how in order to state that the tables have turned I must show an ACTUAL loss of freedoms.
just so i understand, you can't name a freedom you've lost, correct?
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 11:59:36 AM
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It's odd how I have to explain English to you so often, _jjp_.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/284042/implication
in logic, a relationship between two propositions in which the second is a logical consequence of the first.
Now, I understand how you might reject the notion that logic isn't real, but I urge you to please not do so. Do you disagree that the ability for the government to "disappear" people is a loss of freedom? I suppose if you reject the... implications ...that I spelled out that you might argue that, unless it happened to you personally, no, it's not a loss of freedom.
That's pretty funny. I've named freedoms that were lost. You have not. Cannot, I suspect.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 12:04:28 PM
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It's odd how I have to explain English to you so often, _jjp_.
Your playing with words does not prove that i have any problem with the English language. You try to play loose with your words and I have no problem calling you on it. This conversation is over between you and I since you can never restrain yourself from petty attacks. If ever you can muster the courage to have an honest debate with someone maybe we can try again.
In true fashion you will chalk this up to a win because i refuse to play word games with you any longer. If it helps your ego, enjoy it.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 12:05:31 PM
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just so i understand, you can't name a freedom you've lost, correct?
Show me one place that i have ever made the claim that I had and we can discuss from that point.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 12:37:06 PM
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It's odd how I have to explain English to you so often, _jjp_.
Your playing with words does not prove that i have any problem with the English language. You try to play loose with your words and I have no problem calling you on it. This conversation is over between you and I since you can never restrain yourself from petty attacks. If ever you can muster the courage to have an honest debate with someone maybe we can try again.
You so enjoy quibbling over grammar and words, why not start a thread?
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In true fashion you will chalk this up to a win because i refuse to play word games with you any longer. If it helps your ego, enjoy it.
I'm not the one picking out words and making hay over nothing here ("You start off talking about "implications" that presumably could lead..."). I suppose you could blame me for being a willing participant, but the blame for "the game" is clearly on you.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 1:14:28 PM
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It would sure be nice if we could all have reasonable conversations and debates without having to parse our grammar, be absolutely precise with semantics, and provide proof beyond any doubt of our claims. It stifles intelligent communication and devolves into verbal one-upmanship. It serves no purpose beyond ego stroking.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 1:22:01 PM
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It would sure be nice if we could all have reasonable conversations and debates without having to parse our grammar, be absolutely precise with semantics, and provide proof beyond any doubt of our claims. It stifles intelligent communication and devolves into verbal one-upmanship. It serves no purpose beyond ego stroking.
Ditto................
We've lost our right to normal conversation................
It would be a different story in person.........LOL
"Go ahead, make my day!"
I've always liked that scene.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 1:42:19 PM
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One of my favorites too.
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It would sure be nice if we could all have reasonable conversations and debates without having to parse our grammar, be absolutely precise with semantics, and provide proof beyond any doubt of our claims. It stifles intelligent communication and devolves into verbal one-upmanship. It serves no purpose beyond ego stroking.
Ditto................
We've lost our right to normal conversation................
It would be a different story in person.........LOL
"Go ahead, make my day!"
I've always liked that scene.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
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Wherever I am, God
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 1:53:42 PM
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It would sure be nice if we could all have reasonable conversations and debates without having to parse our grammar, be absolutely precise with semantics, and provide proof beyond any doubt of our claims. It stifles intelligent communication and devolves into verbal one-upmanship. It serves no purpose beyond ego stroking.
I agree.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/6/2009 2:54:35 PM
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Lapidoth
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One of my favorites too.
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It would sure be nice if we could all have reasonable conversations and debates without having to parse our grammar, be absolutely precise with semantics, and provide proof beyond any doubt of our claims. It stifles intelligent communication and devolves into verbal one-upmanship. It serves no purpose beyond ego stroking.
Ditto................
We've lost our right to normal conversation................
It would be a different story in person.........LOL
"Go ahead, make my day!"
I've always liked that scene.
Here in Oklahoma we have the "Make My Day Law."
I hope to never have to use it, but I will if need be.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 4:10:19 AM
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Ditto................
We've lost our right to normal conversation................
It would be a different story in person.........LOL
"Go ahead, make my day!"
And what exactly do you mean by that? You'd punch them in the face? I don't believe veiled threats of violence are and acceptable means of communication on this board, grammar or no grammar.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 10:09:07 AM
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Lapidoth
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Ditto................
We've lost our right to normal conversation................
It would be a different story in person.........LOL
"Go ahead, make my day!"
And what exactly do you mean by that? You'd punch them in the face? I don't believe veiled threats of violence are and acceptable means of communication on this board, grammar or no grammar.
You fellars just have no sense of humor what so ever..............
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 12:38:27 PM
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
How about the freedom to look after our own health insurance? That's going away if they get their way.
Freedom of Speech? The White House has already tried the "snitch on your friends" approach.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 1:17:35 PM
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huangshan
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Name one freedom that you or anyone has lost.
How about the freedom to look after our own health insurance? That's going away if they get their way.
Freedom of Speech? The White House has already tried the "snitch on your friends" approach.
In many countries with health care being essentially run by the government, there is still the option to have private insurance. With the bill being debated, you'd still have the option to look after your health insurance.
As it is, in many cases in America, your employer looks after your health insurance, not you. You're offering a defense of a paradigm that for many people in America does not exist, against a threat which also does not exist.
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 1:37:23 PM
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Well, I AM my own employer, therefore what I get I get myself, but thanks for the info.
I am also of the opinion that more of us should take control of our healthcare needs and not depend on others to do for us, even employers....
And if you look closer at the bill, after a certain length of time, it becomes very obvious that the government run plan will be your only option....
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RE: Dr. Obama Utopia - 11/9/2009 5:00:14 PM
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huangshan
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I am also of the opinion that more of us should take control of our healthcare needs and not depend on others to do for us, even employers....
That's financially unfeasible for many Americans. It's kind of like being of the opinion that more Americans should have their own BMW. It sounds nice, but it's totally pie-in-the-sky.
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And if you look closer at the bill, after a certain length of time, it becomes very obvious that the government run plan will be your only option....
Oh, is this like reading between the lines? That's a great way to make a bill say whatever you want it to say. Why don't you try sticking to what the bill actually says.
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