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Does God see us when we ... - 11/19/2009 11:58:31 AM
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Robin-again
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sin :?:
I had always believed that God sees everything.
That's what I believed up until recently.
I am now confused.
I was told that God sees only the Goodness/Truth.
That God see us ONLY through Jesus's eyes.
That God doesn't see our sins for He doesn't know us...when we sin.
I now don't know what to believe on this subject matter.
Does God see us when we sin or does He not?
Is there anything in the Bible that explains it?
Thank you for any input that is offered.
I am new to this Spiritual way of living and am learning more and growing closer daily toward our Lord.
(I hope I put this in the correct area of the forum)
May God Bless all who enters here.
HUGs
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/19/2009 3:30:47 PM
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Wow, that is a topic I have never heard before! I am interested to see other's replies to it. I have never considered that before.
Maybe the mods will move this to the General Faith folder for more exposure?????????
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/19/2009 4:36:17 PM
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If God doesn't see us when we sin then He would not chastise us when we do, He wouldn't know about it. And if He could only see goodness/truth, then He would not have brough judgment on nations throughout scripture, including the apple of His eye, biblical Israel.
So, yes, God sees us when we sin.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/24/2009 11:21:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: DeliveredDarling
Wow, that is a topic I have never heard before! I am interested to see other's replies to it. I have never considered that before.
Maybe the mods will move this to the General Faith folder for more exposure?????????
This ia a very interesting post, I agree that the responses will be fascinating, if it gets more exposure.
I believe that it should go to the thjeology category in the forum marked God.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/25/2009 12:10:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: DeliveredDarling
Wow, that is a topic I have never heard before! I am interested to see other's replies to it. I have never considered that before.
Maybe the mods will move this to the General Faith folder for more exposure?????????
Since you've had time to consider it, what is your input?
btw...I started it again in General Faith. Maybe I should have asked the Mods before I put it there. I dunno.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/25/2009 12:11:59 AM
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ORIGINAL: PROPHETSONG
I believe that it should go to the thjeology category in the forum marked God.
why? and what is your input?
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/25/2009 12:46:13 AM
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i think God can see me in a lot of ways. paul said he was flesh but also born again and they were at odds. God can see me the way i am before Him, in the flesh, being a sinner. He can see my sins, knows of them, knows of every dark or willfully ignorant intention of my heart as I put myself first. He can also see me 'after' Him, in Him, being a child of Heaven. He can see me through the lens of what He did for me, the creation He made without the impurities in it.
I think the weird thing is that He can see both, simultaneously, at all times. Meaning that if I never sinned again after a split-second saving conversion, the taint of my sin before would always be part of my wordly humanity until I died (which is why at 78 having not sinned for say 30 years, I still would need Him as much at that moment as when I was 14). And yet my saved, purified spirit, which was His perfect child, would also be visible to Him just as much at 14 as at 78, even though in the construct of how I see time, it would seem that I was not yet purified. So you're both, every second of your life, and He can see both, all the time.
My 2 cent view.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/25/2009 4:23:34 PM
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Moving from Misc Topics to General Faith.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/25/2009 6:35:00 PM
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I think He does because He talked to King David and told him '... you have blood on your hands'.
He also knew before He asked Caine '...where is your brother Abel, his blood cries out to me'.
There are lots of other examples.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/26/2009 10:05:10 AM
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I was told that God sees only the Goodness/Truth.
That God see us ONLY through Jesus's eyes.
That God doesn't see our sins for He doesn't know us...when we sin.
Anytime you are "told" something about God, it is your responsibility to search the Scriptures to find out if it matches up. Everything I see in God's Word makes what you have been told a fallacy. One of God's attributes is that He is omniscient which means He knows everything:
"O Lord, You have searched me and known me. You know my sitting down and my rising up; You understand my thought afar off. You comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.... Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain it. Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." (Psalm 139:1-4,6-8)
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/26/2009 11:50:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
Anytime you are "told" something about God, it is your responsibility to search the Scriptures to find out if it matches up. Yes, I understand that. It confused me.
I am recently saved, baptized, going to church and have not yet read in the Bible what the answer is.
By coming here, I was hoping I'd get some answers, Food for Thought, and/or Spiritual Food.
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One of God's attributes is that He is omniscient which means He knows everything: That's what I have always believed.
I wonder why a Christian would tell me that.
No need to answer. It is just a thought being typed.
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"O Lord, You have searched me and known me. You know my sitting down and my rising up; You understand my thought afar off. You comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.... Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain it. Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." (Psalm 139:1-4,6-8)
amen.
Thank you my Sister in Christ for helping me.
May you and everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving, a stress-free day, laughter, and feel God's Presence
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/26/2009 12:50:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: Robin-again
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
Anytime you are "told" something about God, it is your responsibility to search the Scriptures to find out if it matches up. Yes, I understand that. It confused me.
I am recently saved, baptized, going to church and have not yet read in the Bible what the answer is.
By coming here, I was hoping I'd get some answers, Food for Thought, and/or Spiritual Food.
By "you" I meant it in the general sense and did not mean it to be accusatory in any way. I should have used the word "our." I admire you for coming here to check it out instead of just accepting it as truth as some do.
And the Happiest Thanksgiving to you...I am so glad you are experiencing it as a new Christian. You and I have so much to be grateful for; the most important of which is a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and eternity in heaven with Him.
Blessings-
Edited because I can't spell for beans.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/26/2009 4:02:23 PM
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Edited because I can't spell for beans.
lmbo. I know what you mean. I'm that way too. lmbo
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/28/2009 5:37:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
If God doesn't see us when we sin then He would not chastise us when we do, He wouldn't know about it. And if He could only see goodness/truth, then He would not have brough judgment on nations throughout scripture, including the apple of His eye, biblical Israel.
So, yes, God sees us when we sin.
I agree 100% with Euty. All things are open to the eyes of God.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/28/2009 7:46:15 PM
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Psalm 103:12
"As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us."
Jer. 31:34
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Heb. 8:12
FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."
Heb 10:17
AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS
I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
I think they were referring to these Scriptures.
On the one hand God knows everything. But on the other He doesn't remember our sin.
1 Cor 13:5 Love does not take into account a wrong suffered. God loves us and maybe He has decided to not hold the sin against us, so He forgets it. Yet He still understands our weakness, and does not ask us to do things we are not prepared for.
Luke 12:2,3
But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
3"Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops.
I have never thought of this subject either. Very good question!
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/28/2009 8:10:32 PM
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If you are a believer all of your past sins are forgiven and do not effect your relationship with Jesus.
Still God is omnipresent and sees even the things you think about that you are barely conscious of. The blood of Christ is a continual covering by faith of your sin nature so that God does not see you that way, but the Holy Spiri convicts us of sinful actions. In fact we overcome the sin nature completely when we choose Christ in the moment (Paul says so in Galatians.) But it is known by God and should be by us that at some point we will commit a sinful act or have a sinful thought again (James.) In fact thoughts and words of Christians tend to be the last thing that gets really cleaned up, or should I say submits to Christ. None of us in this life is getting what we deserve from God, believer or non, since to get that would be to be instantly cast into hell.
Rather than running on here just know it is all about the blood of Jesus applied to our account by faith. That blood makes a relationship with God possible and it is far too little understood these days. For certainly being still imperfect, apart from the blood of Christ, God would have to find all of our righteousness to be like stinking menstrual rags (Isaiah.) and we ourselves to be rebels and traitors intent on dethroning Him.
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RE: Does God see us when we ... - 11/28/2009 9:56:40 PM
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Thank you everyone for helping me. May God Bless you with feeling His Presence wherever you go.
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ORIGINAL: scottmcc1
I think they were referring to these Scriptures. Yes, you are right.
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On the one hand God knows everything. But on the other He doesn't remember our sin.
1 Cor 13:5 Love does not take into account a wrong suffered. God loves us and maybe He has decided to not hold the sin against us, so He forgets it. Yet He still understands our weakness, and does not ask us to do things we are not prepared for. Awesome...that shows us right here that we also need to forgive and when we do, we need to forget it.
...at least not acknowledge it any more.
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Luke 12:2,3
But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
3"Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops. Truth.
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I have never thought of this subject either. Very good question! Thank you. Living this new Spiritual Life is new for me. I am glad to know I can come here and get guided correctly toward God, our Father in heaven.
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ORIGINAL: agapeflight
If you are a believer all of your past sins are forgiven and do not effect your relationship with Jesus.
Still God is omnipresent and sees even the things you think about that you are barely conscious of. The blood of Christ is a continual covering by faith of your sin nature so that God does not see you that way, but the Holy Spirit convicts us of sinful actions. In fact we overcome the sin nature completely when we choose Christ in the moment (Paul says so in Galatians.) But it is known by God and should be by us that at some point we will commit a sinful act or have a sinful thought again (James.) Most of us litters regularly. ...whether flicking a cigarette butte on the ground, dropping a receipt and not picking it up, etc.
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Rather than running on here just know it is all about the blood of Jesus applied to our account by faith. That blood makes a relationship with God possible and it is far too little understood these days. For certainly being still imperfect, apart from the blood of Christ, God would have to find all of our righteousness to be like stinking menstrual rags (Isaiah.) and we ourselves to be rebels and traitors intent on dethroning Him.
Thank you for explaining this.
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