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Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 10/30/2008 12:36:35 PM
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raivyne
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I did a search and didn't see much of anything about either of these. I thought I'd start this thread to see if anyone else here Crossfits or does Starting Strength (or moved on to Practical Programming even).
Before I had to stop the SS program I was making some fantastic improvements. I was also doing some CFE (CrossFit Endurance) workouts two days a week and working my way back to my old sprint times... LOL
unfortunately I am so busy for the next 8 months or so I barely have time to breathe. I may be able to start some CrossFit back up as soon as this semester of school is up (I hope); but I won't have the time to pick the Starting Strength program back up until next Summer.
Anyone else had any experience with CrossFit, Starting Strength or even Practical Programming? What did you think of them?
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 10/30/2008 12:40:12 PM
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Miss Giggles
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I am working on getting to do pull ups and then I might start cross fit. They have a cross fit affiliated gym here but its too expensive.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 10/30/2008 6:12:31 PM
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Hi raivyne,
Ripptoes Starting Strength comes highly recommended on BB sites. I was thinking of starting Ripptoes program after the holidays. (Figured I would ask for the book for Christmas.)
Bodybuilding.com has a sticky thread on Starting Strength. I'm too busy to look it up for you-but if you go to the bodybuilding.com forums, you should be able to find the link from a search.
From what I've read on the net-Ripproes Starting Stregth is one of the BEST books for teaching compound lifts. Even folks that have been lifting for a while have learned stuff from that book/program.
I can't speak to crossfit as I have never researched it.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/7/2008 8:05:10 PM
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raivyne
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Miss Giggles, you don't have to be able to do pullups to start CF! You don't need the gym either, though if you aren't familiar with lifting weights it might be a good idea to either buy the starting strength book (rippetoe is absolutely fabulous at breaking down the movements of the squat, deadlift, bench, shoulderpress and power clean in that book.) or at least do the opening sessions with a PT to get your form in good.
HisLamb26 - I've got the book, read it cover to cover. Its absolutely fabulous. I only got to do the program for a few weeks before school and life blew up in my face; but I went from an 80 lb squat one rep max to banging out 5 reps of 120 lbs in about a month. The program is fantastic if you're just starting to train with weights. Results probably wouldn't be as good for someone who's been lifting for a while, but he's got a second book for intermediates (practical programming). I was doing MWF schedule and doing interval training crossfit endurance workouts on tuesday and thursday. My results were great overall in endurance, strength and overall fitness. Plus I had tons of people asking me daily "have you lost weight?"
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/7/2008 10:32:17 PM
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JoeyWest
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I do crossfit a lot. today in fact was rough. I had to walk the 4 runs because of calf injury but still speed walked so wore me out. thank the lord tomorrow is rest day
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/8/2008 11:31:58 AM
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HisLamb26
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Hi raivyne,
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HisLamb26 - I've got the book, read it cover to cover. Its absolutely fabulous. I only got to do the program for a few weeks before school and life blew up in my face; but I went from an 80 lb squat one rep max to banging out 5 reps of 120 lbs in about a month. The program is fantastic if you're just starting to train with weights. Results probably wouldn't be as good for someone who's been lifting for a while, but he's got a second book for intermediates (practical programming). I was doing MWF schedule and doing interval training crossfit endurance workouts on tuesday and thursday. My results were great overall in endurance, strength and overall fitness. Plus I had tons of people asking me daily "have you lost weight?"
Glad to hear you got such great gains from Starting Strength! That's awesome!!!
I have been lifting for a while-I also do a 3 day split....(standard shoulders/arms, lower body. and chest/back split). I do some kind of cardio the other three days. I don't know what my 1RM is on my squat, but I am up to 105lbs for 10 reps-of course I don't reach 10 reps on subsequent sets-usually drop to 8, then 7. I was SO PROUD when I moved up to the big boy plates!!! (the 25lb ones....)  . I just hit 75lbs on my bench last week. Surely I won't be making any Olympic teams soon, but considering I am a 44yr. old mom of 3-I'm doing alright on my present program.
I thought about trying Ripptoes just to mix things up a bit, and also learn the power clean and deadlift.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/10/2008 11:04:59 AM
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I've followed a Starr-like program on-and-off for a couple decades. I didn't read SS, but did read Practical Programming (PP), and have incorporated some stuff from it.
I've been doing CrossFit-like workouts, since before Glassman created CrossFit.
OVerall my training looks Black Box-like, with the ME stuff looking more like PP.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/11/2008 2:58:37 PM
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I don't know what my 1RM is on my squat, but I am up to 105lbs for 10 reps-of course I don't reach 10 reps on subsequent sets
Typically you can estimate your 10RM to be 75% of your 1RM ... so I would guess it at 140.
I have to say, I have strong reservations about the Crossfit program ... (and I am a personal trainer with NSCA). Many of the recommendations are to do the various exercises at a pace where the individual could easily injure themselves (there is research to show a very high injury rate for Crossfit) ... especially someone without any background in resistant training. Some of the gains that many of you have noted are typical for any non-athlete in the first month or two, and are due more to learning how to do the exercise and your neuromuscular adaptations than any actual strength gain. I see people lifting more with this program more because of the momentum of the exercise ... try doing 25 very slow methodical sit ups one day, verses 100 very fast sit ups the next time you try core. You will find that the 25 are actually more difficult to do, and in the long run, will strengthen the core much more than the fast 100.
I just wanted to give an extreme caution for this particular program ... it is riskier than the traditional methodologies and the gains are not as traumatic as they seem because of the momentum used to do the exercises ... I know clients that have used this method in the past are very surprised how they are not able to do nearly the same amount of the given exercise when it is done correctly.
Both Starting Strength and Practical Programing are good programs. Starting Strength is especially good for the beginner.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/12/2008 9:45:14 AM
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Miss Giggles
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I guess I find the cross fit website confusing. I do know how to do the basic lifts.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/26/2008 1:01:31 PM
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I have to say, I have strong reservations about the Crossfit program ... (and I am a personal trainer with NSCA). Many of the recommendations are to do the various exercises at a pace where the individual could easily injure themselves (there is research to show a very high injury rate for Crossfit) ... especially someone without any background in resistant training.
I have been interested in crossfit for a while now, do you have reservations about the whole training system or just the way they execute some of the exercises?
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/26/2008 1:41:17 PM
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The thing I like to remember is that someone being careless and reckless is going to get hurt no matter what training regimen they are currently doing. I've never found anything dangerous with crossfit itself, the danger comes when people are careless - as it is with any other thing you do. I have not seen one single case of injury related to someone doing any crossfit workout responsibly and correctly.
and as far as i'm concerned anyone who expects to be able to do the same amount of standard pull ups as they can do with the kipping method has not been doing their homework and has a fundamental misunderstanding of the program and the purpose of the dynamic element in many of the workouts.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/26/2008 2:17:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: TruePrincess
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I have to say, I have strong reservations about the Crossfit program ... (and I am a personal trainer with NSCA). Many of the recommendations are to do the various exercises at a pace where the individual could easily injure themselves (there is research to show a very high injury rate for Crossfit) ... especially someone without any background in resistant training.
I have been interested in crossfit for a while now, do you have reservations about the whole training system or just the way they execute some of the exercises?
If you look at how the techniques are taught, the main purpose is to use momentum to allow the athlete to do greater loads and repetitions. The techniques that are taught, take away the control that prevents the participant from over extending from a safe ROM Range of Motion)of any given movement, which means tendons and ligaments are strained beyond what is recommended. When you add weights to the equation, the potential for injury is elevated. The program also encourages the participant to overextend themselves in general. I know of one extreme case where the athlete did not rest (which is encouraged in the program) resulting in a condition called rhabdomyolysis (which is severe muscle breakdown resulting in toxicity ... it is a rare side effect for some drugs, but there are documented cases of athletes adhering to the crossfit program suffering from the condition). This is a very dangerous and often times fatal condition where the breakdown from the muscle is so severe it becomes toxic. This man that I know of was in ICU for a little over two weeks ... and he went right back to crossfit training ... it seems to be addictive.  I think it attracts personalities that like to push the envelope.
I believe both the program in general and the way many of the individual exercises are taught can lead to injury.
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and as far as i'm concerned anyone who expects to be able to do the same amount of standard pull ups as they can do with the kipping method has not been doing their homework and has a fundamental misunderstanding of the program.
The problem with the kipping method is it lends itself to injury because of the ROM that is required and the momentum that does not allow for enough control to keep the exercise safe.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/26/2008 3:08:38 PM
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The thing I like to remember is that someone being careless and reckless is going to get hurt no matter what training regimen they are currently doing. I've never found anything dangerous with crossfit itself, the danger comes when people are careless - as it is with any other thing you do. I have not seen one single case of injury related to someone doing any crossfit workout responsibly and correctly.
That's a whole lot of Kool-Aid consumption there.
I've seen or heard (first hand) of dozens of CrossFit related injuries. And they don't have to do with careless or reckless or irresponsible or incorrect. They simply have to due with a product of "exertion" is fatigue and with fatigue comes form breakdown. And as Psalms274 points out the dynamic nature of many of the CrossFit movements can lead to injury once form breakdown has occurred.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/26/2008 3:46:39 PM
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raivyne
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Not stopping when your form and control is obviously compromised due to fatigue is not exercising responsibly. The same is true of any physical activity no matter if it has the CF label or not. There are plenty of people who get hurt because of that same reason doing more traditional weight lifting methods.
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 11/30/2008 11:19:17 AM
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JoeyWest
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crossfit is a lot of simple exercises that are done for time. dont see any real hard stuff. pullups, squats, thats grade school stuff.
you put them together and do it for time
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RE: Anyone Crossfit? Or Starting Strength? - 12/3/2008 2:03:35 PM
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You have your views, which I respect, so I have no interest in entering a debate on this. Just want to point out:
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Not stopping when your form and control is obviously compromised due to fatigue is not exercising responsibly.
Because the goal is to hit a specific number of reps or to go for a specific time, the above is common in CrossFit.
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The same is true of any physical activity no matter if it has the CF label or not.
Not true. Most forms of exercise use fatigue and\or form breakdown as a signal to stop. CrossFit uses goal reps and\or time, so it's the CrossFit "label" that's leading to the injury.
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There are plenty of people who get hurt because of that same reason doing more traditional weight lifting methods.
Yes there are.
I just recommend that people approach CrossFit with some "additional" caution.
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