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An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 12:54:01 PM
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tafkam
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With it looking more and more like Barack Obama will be our next President, what do you think this means for us in terms of national security? That issue has been fairly moot over the last few months, what with the success we're seeing in Iraq, and yet there are still those out there who wish to do us harm.
Personally, I believe our enemies are rubbing their hands in unmitigated glee at the prospect of a liberal appeaser who is weak on national defense being put into the White House. I also believe this will embolden Osama Bin Laden and others of his ilk, and that we will see another major terrorist attack on US soil within one year of Obama taking office. They will do it and succeed because they know Barack Obama will not retaliate, at least not in any meaningful way.
What say you?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:05:30 PM
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I agree with the assessment too. It's too bad the economy has taken our attention off national security. I fear that an Obama adminstration will change the color of our flag from red, white and blue to purely white. Sharia law won't be too far into the future.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:27:10 PM
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Has anything in particular about Obama led you to feel this way? Or is it just because he's the "other guy"?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:29:33 PM
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Oh it's his actions and comments made that has led me to feel this way.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:33:02 PM
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MrFribbles
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Oh it's his actions and comments made that has led me to feel this way.
What in particular?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:39:17 PM
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No preconditions to meet with terrorists for starters.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:43:24 PM
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MrFribbles
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No preconditions to meet with terrorists for starters.
What preconditions do you think our president should have?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 1:47:59 PM
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a U.S. representative sat in on a conference, I believe held in Switzerland, with representatives from Iran. Also, the U.S. has expressed interest in establishing an American Interest section in Tehran. It seems we are already negotiating with terrorists and without preconditions.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 2:05:51 PM
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I believe that we will be tested by Al Quieda (and others) to see if the Obama administration will have the resolve to fight back.
If we get a demokrat controlled congess and the start rolling back many of the measures set in place by Bush (terrorist wire taps, letting the terrorist in Gitmo go etc.) then we can expect a sever rise in attacks.
Of course demokrats blame the new attacks on Bush and Cheney for the next few hundred years.
And when the Obama ecomonic plan puts into a full depression, it will be blamed on Bush as well.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 2:15:33 PM
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a U.S. representative sat in on a conference, I believe held in Switzerland, with representatives from Iran. Also, the U.S. has expressed interest in establishing an American Interest section in Tehran. It seems we are already negotiating with terrorists and without preconditions.
That is very different from a US President sitting face to face without preconditions. Of course there will be talks ... but for a sitting President to do so without preconditions sends a message to the world that gives the leader he is sitting with positive feedback before they have changed their behavior ... which encourages them not to change, but to stay the course that required the meeting in the first Place.
There have been a number of left wing blogs misquoting Henry Kissinger on this matter. According to CNN, Kissinger stated ...
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"Sen. McCain is right. I would not recommend the next president of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the presidential level," Kissinger said in the statement.
"My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Sen. John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."
WE have been talking to Iran at the lower levels, as we do with others such as North Korea and even Venezuela ... but the face to face negotiations between our President and their top leader is a different matter. First there needs to be a show of good faith (preconditions) by the actions of the country who we need to sit down with ... for example ... letting inspectors come in.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 3:41:08 PM
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Ok, honest question time. If AQ hit us again, say killed a couple three thousand people. Who would we attack?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:07:52 PM
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Ok, honest question time. If AQ hit us again, say killed a couple three thousand people. Who would we attack?
Good question!
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:11:02 PM
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Fearmongering. Obama is weak. Obama won't fight for America. Obama will be weak pray for our enemies. Osama wants Obama to win.
Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.
Blah.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:26:51 PM
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MrFribbles
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but for a sitting President to do so without preconditions sends a message to the world that gives the leader he is sitting with positive feedback before they have changed their behavior ... which encourages them not to change, but to stay the course that required the meeting in the first Place.
Why? What's wrong with saying "let's meet and talk this out"?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:34:48 PM
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Terrorists don't negotiate.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:35:02 PM
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Personally, I believe our enemies are rubbing their hands in unmitigated glee at the prospect of a liberal appeaser who is weak on national defense being put into the White House. I also believe this will embolden Osama Bin Laden and others of his ilk, and that we will see another major terrorist attack on US soil within one year of Obama taking office. They will do it and succeed because they know Barack Obama will not retaliate, at least not in any meaningful way.
If Obama is elected, I believe any Al Qaeda terror cells who underestimate his commitment to security will do so at their own peril.
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Ok, honest question time. If AQ hit us again, say killed a couple three thousand people. Who would we attack?
Yes, this is a good question. Who, indeed?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:38:37 PM
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but for a sitting President to do so without preconditions sends a message to the world that gives the leader he is sitting with positive feedback before they have changed their behavior ... which encourages them not to change, but to stay the course that required the meeting in the first Place.
Why? What's wrong with saying "let's meet and talk this out"?
What's wrong with negotiating with and legitimizing a certifiable nut job(s)? Plenty!
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Personally, I believe our enemies are rubbing their hands in unmitigated glee at the prospect of a liberal appeaser who is weak on national defense being put into the White House. I also believe this will embolden Osama Bin Laden and others of his ilk, and that we will see another major terrorist attack on US soil within one year of Obama taking office. They will do it and succeed because they know Barack Obama will not retaliate, at least not in any meaningful way.
If Obama is elected, I believe any Al Qaeda terror cells who underestimate his commitment to security will do so at their own peril.
You ask why we believe he's a naive appeaser...why in the world would you think anything else? Except obviously because that's what you want to think for some weird reason. But what ounce of strength or sense have you seen him show ever?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:42:28 PM
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MrFribbles
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What's wrong with negotiating with and legitimizing a certifiable nut job(s)? Plenty!
All right, then it shouldn't be hard to give me some examples.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:49:38 PM
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Has anything in particular about Obama led you to feel this way? Or is it just because he's the "other guy"?
Several things lead me to believe Senator Obama will be bad for our national security. First, there are his own words, as seen in this video. He appears ready to gut our military capability and hamstring development of new battlefield technologies.
Second, his inexperience as demonstrated in the Debates. In an effort to sound "tough", he mentioned going into Pakistan after Bin Laden. Senator McCain was completely correct - that is not something you advertise! You do it if you have to, but you don't tell anybody about it beforehand.
In telegraphing your moves, you put the Pakistani military on alert for incursions, possibly endangering the lives of our troops. And you make any necessary military action look like a premeditated violation of their sovereignty, and create an extremely difficult diplomatic situation.
In contrast, if you keep your mouth shut and do what you have to without fanfare, afterwards you argue (truthfully even) that rapidly changing battlefield conditions necessitated the action, and you apologize. Pakistan might still be upset, but nowhere near what they would be if they believed it was a premeditated attack.
Thirdly, his documented history of questionable associations really casts doubt on his judgement (at best), causing me grave concern for the security of our most classified material. Numerous sources have noted that Senator Obama would not be able to obtain security clearance were he an ordinary civilian contractor or member of the military.
And that's just a start.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 4:58:29 PM
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What's wrong with negotiating with and legitimizing a certifiable nut job(s)? Plenty!
All right, then it shouldn't be hard to give me some examples.
You really don't see the problem in a US President sitting across the table from Ahmadinejad and Chavez? Let's just give Miami to Castro as a sign of goodwill while we're at it. While I really wouldn't mind not having to share Florida with Miami, that would just be stupid....and so would giving these class A Loons the satisfaction and PR points back home to be in the same room with the President of the United States! Ridiculous.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 5:02:50 PM
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If Obama is elected, I believe any Al Qaeda terror cells who underestimate his commitment to security will do so at their own peril.
Based on what? His experience with dealing with terrorist?
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 5:07:08 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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but for a sitting President to do so without preconditions sends a message to the world that gives the leader he is sitting with positive feedback before they have changed their behavior ... which encourages them not to change, but to stay the course that required the meeting in the first Place.
Why? What's wrong with saying "let's meet and talk this out"?
Because it gives credence to the them... It assumes someone who operates on with the principle that killing innocent peoples is the correct means to establish change has a rational thought.
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RE: An Obama Presidency And Our National Security... - 10/19/2008 5:10:04 PM
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If Obama is elected, I believe any Al Qaeda terror cells who underestimate his commitment to security will do so at their own peril.
Based on what? His experience with dealing with terrorist?
Close.
His experience in dealing with RNC tactics.
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