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All mankind Children of God?
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All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 8:43:35 PM
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dbark
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I read in a post somewhere on here, a incredulous response to someone saying that all people of all faiths and races are children of God. I'd like to know if that is a common feeling among Christians or not.
My belief is that we are all God's children regardless of who we are, where we live, what we look like, and what we believe - simply because we are all made in God's image. What do you say?
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:02:48 PM
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John 1:12-13
"Yet to all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God."
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:03:33 PM
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I agree. In addition to First John also read Romans 8. The Bible gives a clear answer.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:05:31 PM
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My belief is that we are all God's children regardless of who we are, where we live, what we look like, and what we believe - simply because we are all made in God's image. What do you say?
This is all warm and fuzzy PC talk. It has no basis in scripture.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:11:47 PM
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Wild-Rose
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Also read the Gospel of John 8. There were people who refused to believe Jesus and he called them "children of the devil" so clearly not all are children of God.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:14:33 PM
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dbark
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quote:
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My belief is that we are all God's children regardless of who we are, where we live, what we look like, and what we believe - simply because we are all made in God's image. What do you say?
This is all warm and fuzzy PC talk. It has no basis in scripture.
Romans 5:8, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:28:35 PM
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Wild-Rose
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Ah, the book of Romans! An excellent place to start. Now what does Romans 8 teach us about who are the children of God?
Vs 9 Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him.
vs 14 For all who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:31:10 PM
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Romans 5:8, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
I agree that Jesus died for all. Some people accept him and others don't. The Bible clearly teaches that the ones who don't accept him are not children of God. We've given you several chapters of the Bible to look at. Look it up.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:51:39 PM
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The phrase "children of God" is a phrase peculiar to the writings of John. It is thorugh an understanding of Paul's argument that salvation is by grace through faith that I conclude that the Messiah's sacrifice is the power that allows Adonai to graciously impart faith to us. Thus, I believe John is telling us that anyone, whenever and whereever they find themselves, to whom Adonai has graciously imparted the faith that is used to believe the promise are children of Adonai. As you see this is doctrinal(rabbinic), since I derived it from the Scriptures. Since, the Scriptures do not come right out and say so, I am not sure to what extent a child of Israel is also a child of Adonai.
In the time of the Messiah is appears that it was commonly understood that a decendant of Israel was included in the promise. This is why there is the confusion in the "born again" passage. Why must a child of Israel be born again since he was born that way already? The Messiah appears to imply that it takes more than an act of birth to recieve the promise, as I have deduced above. I do not exclude the patriarchs because they had faith in the promise, though they did not understand the means. However, those who do not have faith in the promise are children of Israel only. I would conclude, every man is created a living soul, but only those who have faith in The Promise are children of both Israel and Adonai.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 9:59:08 PM
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From Romans chapter 9 quoting Hosea.
All those who are not my people
I will call "my people"
and her who was not beloved
I will call "my beloved"
And in the very place where it was said
to them "You are not my people"
they will be called "sons of the living God".
And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the
sand of the sea,only a remnant of them will be saved. for the Lord will execute his sentence
upon the earth with rigor and dispatch.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/12/2008 10:01:06 PM
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As always, take it in context. Further in Romans 9 he explains what he is taking about concerning the gentiles and Israel.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/13/2008 12:05:30 AM
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I think it depends on how we define "children of God." Consider Acts 17, especially verse 29. Paul acknowledges that, to some extent, we are all God's offspring - or, children of God. In what we? In that we are all created by Him, it seems. And that none of us are far from Him.
However, it seems that believers are also set apart in a special category, as those adopted directly into God's family. In that sense, only believers are children of God.
So, as with many discussions, it depends on how one is defining one's terms.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/13/2008 12:36:05 AM
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My belief is that we are all God's children regardless of who we are, where we live, what we look like, and what we believe - simply because we are all made in God's image. What do you say?
Since the Fall, all human beings are "children of disobedience" and "children of wrath" destined for God's eternal judgment.
That is why the Lord Jesus Christ said solemnly and repeatedly, "You must be born again". To be born again is to be "born of God" and to be born of God is to become a child of God (Jn. 1:12,13). Therefore only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of their sins are born again or born of God.
This is the reason why the Gospel must be preached to "every creature", since every human being desparately needs the New Birth and the gift of eternal life.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 11/13/2008 4:46:00 PM
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God "created" Adam.
The rest of us are "born" of Adam.
When we are "born-again" {of Heaven, as Ezra said}
we are a new "creation."
Only Adam was in God's image.
We are in Adam's image.
We are a new creation when we are born-again,
but we still have this body to contend with.
But, one day...................
We will be "as He is."
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/2/2008 10:28:59 AM
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I think that if God is perfectly just, he has to give every human the same opportunity. Those who are born again during their lifetime, will be taken before the great tribulation. Afterwards, Christ will return with these saints, to set up his 1000 year kingdom on earth. They will rule and reign with Christ. The unbelieving dead will be brought back to life. At this point every human who never heard or understood Gods gift of salvation, will be given the same opportunity as we were. The key to understanding this is ,why else would there be a millinium.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/3/2008 1:22:39 PM
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Scripture is clear that ALL are creations of God. But only those in Christ Jesus are God's children.
Those of us who are His were bought, stamped and sealed by His precious shed blood - by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/3/2008 11:54:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: dbark
I read in a post somewhere on here, a incredulous response to someone saying that all people of all faiths and races are children of God. I'd like to know if that is a common feeling among Christians or not.
My belief is that we are all God's children regardless of who we are, where we live, what we look like, and what we believe - simply because we are all made in God's image. What do you say?
As the Apostle Paul spoke to the Athenians on Mars Hill, "Being then the offspring of God. . ." (Acts 17:29), he was referring to all men. All are God's offspring.
Don't believe me! I goofed---as FigmentPez kindly corrected me if you read on. LL
But John's gospel is clear that "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13 We become children of God through the new birth.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/4/2008 10:43:48 AM
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So if you've never heard the gospel your doomed. How can that be? If Christ decended into hell during his death and resurrection, and preached the gospel to the dead. Would'nt he do the same for everyone.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/4/2008 12:50:51 PM
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As the Apostle Paul spoke to the Athenians on Mars Hill, "Being then the offspring of God. . ." (Acts 17:29), he was referring to all men. All are God's offspring.
I think you're misunderstanding that passage.
Acts 17:28
28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
Paul is not quoting God in saying that we are His children, God is quoting pagan writers, and showing that it is not logical to believe that God can be made of gold or silver, while also believing that we are His children. There is no reason to think that Paul was teaching that all men are actually the children of God, and certainly not in the same way that Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God, or in the same way that believers become adopted children of God through the sonship of Jesus Christ.
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/4/2008 12:57:40 PM
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So if you've never heard the gospel your doomed. How can that be?
Even if someone has never had the Gospel preached to them by a human being, they still know that God exists, that He has a standard that they have not met, and that they need Him to redeem them. This is enough knowledge for them to seek the LORD. I'll leave it to God to decide how He will reveal Himself to them.
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If Christ decended into hell during his death and resurrection, and preached the gospel to the dead. Would'nt he do the same for everyone.
That's a pretty big "IF". I personally don't think that scripture teaches that Jesus preached the gospel to dead unbelievers, but that's a whole 'nother thread.
In any case, your idea that men will die, be raised and then die again to face judgment flies in the face of
Heb 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/4/2008 3:56:33 PM
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As the Apostle Paul spoke to the Athenians on Mars Hill, "Being then the offspring of God. . ." (Acts 17:29), he was referring to all men. All are God's offspring.
I think you're misunderstanding that passage.
Acts 17:28
28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
Paul is not quoting God in saying that we are His children, God is quoting pagan writers, and showing that it is not logical to believe that God can be made of gold or silver, while also believing that we are His children. There is no reason to think that Paul was teaching that all men are actually the children of God, and certainly not in the same way that Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God, or in the same way that believers become adopted children of God through the sonship of Jesus Christ.
Oh, thank you, FP, for correcting me. I was thinking of all men as His creations and my brain went to offspring. . . yikes. Anyway, thanks.  LL
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RE: All mankind Children of God? - 12/5/2008 8:09:41 AM
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So how many people were raised from the dead by Jesus. Did'nt they die twice. i.e. Lazarus. what about the mentally retarded, babies that die, the insane, etc. The apostles did'nt even believe, until after the resurrection. I have to bank on the fact that God is good, and every human will be given the same oportunity.
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