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A Grain of Truth... - 9/7/2008 7:41:29 PM
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monamie
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This discussion began in another thread and it was suggested that we begin separate discussion about a grain elimination diet. So here goes.
I have several pieces of information, but it's on the server at work so I'll give links tomorrow detailing the pro-inflammatory effect that grains have on the body. I'm still in the middle of researching the issue and reconciling what I have learned from doctors and nutritionists with Scripture. That is why, instead of being totally grain free, I do consume small amounts on rare occasions but prefer that the grains be organic and heirloom. I do believe that many of the issues that grains cause are not necessarily caused by the grains in the form God created them, but have to do with the genetic modifications and pesticides that are used for mass production.
So just curious--has anyone completely eliminated grains from their diets? If so, what benefits have you found? Any drawbacks?
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/7/2008 7:54:48 PM
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I think we probably do eat way more grains than are needed, but I am not ready to cut them out of my diet.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/7/2008 8:06:32 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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Mona, I love you! 
Thank you for starting this thread.
I can't say that I have totally eliminated grains from my diet, because this is very new to me. However, very recently I went 13 days without any grains at all. I found I had more energy, I slept better and I had zero fluid retention. After having grains (in the form of processed flour - chocolate chip cookies) at one meal, I have been spending the last 3 days trying to get the extra fluid to leave my body.
I find that very interesting.
However, prior to the cookies, I also hadn't any sugar (except for blackstrap molasses and what is naturally occurring in fresh fruits and veggies; both of which go in my smoothies) for about 4 weeks (I specify this because I hadn't even had rapidura sugar). So the fluid retention could be either the flour, the sugar or a combination of both.
I'm a very big proponent on limiting the amount of processed flour that one consumes. In fact, years ago, I once went several years without having any processed flour of any kind. I would eat whole grains; usually steamed, though. Incidentally, that is what kick-started my weight loss. I lost over 100 pounds in about 11 months.
But I've been reading your posts about grains being pro-inflammatory, and I'm quite interested in learning more.
What are heirloom grains?
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/7/2008 8:17:04 PM
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monamie
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Heirloom grains haven't been genetically modified.
Yep, weight loss is a side effect of eliminating grains. A large part of that I suspect has to do with the estrogenic effects of the pesticides that are used. But there are a lot of other factors as well.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 12:13:41 AM
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Mrs.Wifey
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I have eliminated alot of grains from my diet, although I do still eat Quinoa(I guess it's technically a seed) and bulgar(which is organic and thus heirloom?). I have PCOS and most likely insulin resistance and have found that a grain free diet pretty well controls my symptoms, although I do also take 2000mg of cinnamon per day. I haven't found any drastic things that happen overnight from grains, I can have a bagel or a piece of pizza and be just fine. Processed sugars are a whole 'nother story. I ate an Oreo Cakester after being off of processed sugar. Oh my goodness, I thought I was gonna die. I haven't had stomach cramps like that in ages.
Overall, I tend to be a "everything in moderation" kinda gal.
Oh, one thing I have noticed... having a large amount of carbs like bread or pasta gives me awful mood swings. Carbs from fruits or veggies do not.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 12:31:44 AM
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Cool thread.
I'm living at home, and on a tight budget..so I'm not really in control of the kitchen. I look forward to the day I can be..I think I will try to buy very little beef or dairy, and try to stay off white flour/sugar (I do try to do that)...but I hadn't realized the supposed "whole grains" could be bad, too. Something to ponder.
Ryanne, where do you get cinnamon supplements? I have pcos, too, and think that might help, but I didn't even know there was such a thing.
I am blessed in that I actually DO like oatmeal, and I try to have it a couple mornings a week using honey as a sweetener.
Shar-Mar, what do you mean by usually steamed whole grains?
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 12:34:09 AM
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Overall, I tend to be a "everything in moderation" kinda gal.
I agree with that. We all need a treat once in a while. I find that the times I deprive myself too much are the times I end up binging.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 6:40:52 AM
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but I hadn't realized the supposed "whole grains" could be bad, too. I suspect that what Miss Giggles said is the best answer for that.quote:
I think we probably do eat way more grains than are needed, but I am not ready to cut them out of my diet. Often it is the amount we eat as opposed to what we are eating. Too much of anything can be detrimental to our health.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 6:57:58 AM
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So the fluid retention could be either the flour, the sugar or a combination of both Or it could simply be the fact they were more processed than you are used to.
I can tell a difference very quickly physically when I eat highly processed foods. When I stick to unprocessed foods, including grains, I feel much better physically.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/8/2008 6:26:20 PM
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I'm still gathering info to post. The most informative website on the subject is www.deflame.com
The docs are helping me organize some things for here. Aren't they great?
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/9/2008 5:04:33 PM
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I am curious about why people think God has a specific diet that we as Christians are supposed to eat.
What is the biblical basis for such belief?
My husband and I are on a gluten free diet because of my husband's gluten intolerance.
However as a lover of Jesus and student of His word, I don't understand those who seem to think these dietary changes are of God. Can you help me understand?
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/9/2008 10:51:34 PM
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Food allergies and sensitivities are things that just have to be dealt with.
Where my journey is taking me is trying to find what God intended for us to eat when He created us. I don't think it's a dietary mandate---just a curiosity that I have. I kind of became convicted about dishonoring His temple with the junk I was consuming. Changing the diet revolutionized my health.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 3:16:56 AM
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It would be completely ignorant for me to eliminate whole grains from my diet. It's the source I receive for my carbohydrate intake opposed to simple carbs and sugars, aside from fruits and veggies.
After forcing myself to build up a taste for brown rice and oatmeal, I'm certainly not going to reject it.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 4:49:21 AM
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Where my journey is taking me is trying to find what God intended for us to eat when He created us. I don't think it's a dietary mandate---just a curiosity that I have. I kind of became convicted about dishonoring His temple with the junk I was consuming. Changing the diet revolutionized my health.
I appreciate your helping me understand this. Being conscientious about food and nutrition is a godly concern as you have noted. We are His and His representatives, living letters, to those around us. So it is right that we should live in all ways as He would have us.
But I'm not sure about the statement 'find what God intended for us to eat when He created us'. Can you explain that to me???
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 8:44:17 AM
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monamie
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 ((((Sharon-Marie)))) Thank you.
Liveloved, my first exposure to gluten free was a negative one. I had never heard of such a thing before, and a friend who has a myriad of health issues (and finds another new one every week!) preached gluten free with a vengeance. She would eat any kind of junk as long as it carried the gluten free label.
So the first time I had a grain-free discussion with a doctor friend, I already had a tainted view and it has taken a lot of time and discussion and research for me to even be open to the idea. He still doesn't have me 100% convinced but I'm doing everything I can to find the truth.
I do know that grains appear to be very inflammatory on the body. I notice a difference in my own body when I consume grains, even whole grains (since I avoid any refined foods as much as possible). And this is bigger than gluten--this is all grain.
BUT, when using applied kinesiology muscle testing on my husband and youngest son, they test gluten sensitive........unless they are tested with organic non-genetically modified wheat. Then they test fine. Somewhat the way my lactose intolerant friend has learned he can drink raw, unpasteurized milk without any problem. It seems to go back to food in its original state, the way God created it before we corrupted it. That's just my observation and part of the journey to find what's best for me and my family.
So the purpose of this thread is to learn from other people's experiences. That's why I was just askin', not preachin'.
Right now, my diet consists of lean (grass-fed) meats and fruits and vegetables. I'm the healthiest I have ever been in my adult life.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 10:16:24 AM
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Where my journey is taking me is trying to find what God intended for us to eat when He created us. I don't think it's a dietary mandate---just a curiosity that I have. I kind of became convicted about dishonoring His temple with the junk I was consuming. Changing the diet revolutionized my health. I totally agree with the statement about not consuming junk. In an ideal world, we shouldn't ever eat it, certainly we don't need to eat it ever. But we don't live in an ideal world and sometimes, for whatever reason we eat it. As I said earlier, it's not that we eat something that's unhealthy for us, it's the fact that we tend to eat so much of the unhealthy foods all the time that is unhealthy.
What I eat now has changed (and improved) dramatically over the past few years. I'm pretty sure that it will change even more as time goes on. While I respect that some feel that grain is bad for us (again, I suspect it's frequently too much, too often and the wrong kind) I'm also aware that grain was eaten through scripture. Yes, much grain has been changed and modified, but there are a huge amount of grains that haven't been.
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It would be completely ignorant for me to eliminate whole grains from my diet. Actually, for someone to do anything after researching the pros and cons (which is what Mona and I do regarding our health) is nowhere near ignorant. Ignorance is "not knowing." We are making our decisions based on knowledge. I know that you and Mona have gone into a lot of research about what you do and don't eat and you have my respect for doing that. However, not everyone has the time or the energy to do the same and I wonder if this is what Randy meant ~ they (not having researched it) would be ignorant to cut out whole grains from their diet.
I'm in a position now where I need to research what I eat, because while very healthy, it may have a detrimental effect on one aspect of my health! However, because it's healthy and because of other health issues that stop me researching as much as I'd like, I am continuing to eat some foods. Why? Because, while affecting one part of my health, I still believe that I'm eating healthier than I have in the past and therefore improving much of my overall health. It's possible that by cutting those foods out I will end up either having more gaps in my diet than I do at the moment or go back to eating junk (which is actually far easier than trying to improve my health!).
Note: I'm deliberately not saying what the foods are or what the effect on my health could be because I don't want any advice on it right now.
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 3:32:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings
As to whether someone agrees with our decisions or not is completely up to them.
But no, it's not ignorant.
I wasn't questioning the decisions of others. My original statement was:
"It would be completely ignorant for me to eliminate whole grains from my diet."
I've done plenty of research on nutrition. Complex carbohydrates are an incredibly important source of carbs that is required for the body to produce energy. Oatmeal and brown rice are two natural whole grain foods with an excellent source of those complex carbs. As opposed to simple carbs, which break down a lot quicker and transfer into fat more frequently than complex carbs do.
Being that I'm trying to lower my body fat percentage while gain lean muscle, I'll stick with my whole grains, thanks. 
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/10/2008 4:36:43 PM
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Thanks, monamie. That helps me understand. I guess I would still just caution you to not use the idea that God intends us to eat a certain way (other than perhaps healthfully). I have been a part of different fellowships that had people following all kinds of diets---which is fine in itself but saying that these are the foods that God created and intends for us to eat I think is presumptuous (?). I'm not trying to be hurtful so please don't take my comments that way. But I think we need to be careful we don't confuse others by claiming that certain diets or dietary restrictions, etc are from God. Does that make sense to you?
When I was a part of these fellowships and heard others talking about what they could and couldn't eat, I wondered where the liberty of the Spirit was for these individuals. I heard a legalistic, 'do this, don't do this' kind of approach that I do not think is of God at all. (We were studying Colossians and the second chapter is pretty clear about all of this.) Anyway, I'm not saying this is what I'm hearing from you. But I've heard others talk and approach their spiritual life from this kind of perspective, and it is a concern. So I'm just sharing honestly with you.
To say that for your own personal health you have chosen a specific diet is one thing. But to credit to God and say this is the way He would have us eat or He designed for us to eat is something totally different.
Anyway, my husband's health problem has 'forced' us to reexamine our diet although eating healthfully has always been a priority. I grew up in a home in which we actually sat down at mealtime and had all the required food groups---vegetables, fruit, milk, meat, and carbs. I continue to do the same. I think it is definitely God honoring. Bless ya.  LL
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RE: A Grain of Truth... - 9/11/2008 8:11:25 AM
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Not a problem. I don't believe there is a God-mandated diet. Where I was coming from is.......trying to find an analogy..........when a car is designed, it's designed to run optimally on a specific fuel. Thus filling your tank with Diet Pepsi or Windex or kerosene wouldn't be a good idea. One of three things would happen: it wouldn't run well, it wouldn't run at all, or it would do irreparable damage.
I'm just on a quest to learn what my optimal fuel is. I didn't begin this thread to preach to anyone, but to learn from everyone.
Sharon-Marie, Dr. J. had me put the grain info into brochure form for patient education. I'll e-mail it to you today.
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